Alex Len and his future

AtheJ415 · Post #301 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:23 am

Nerlens Noel was red-flagged due to his injury. The belief was he couldn't hold up in the long run. Also, Len will always be better than Noel offensively. We got the better 2 way player imo, with the higher upside.

JS22 · Post #302 » by **JS22** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:46 pm

SF88 wrote:Noel sure took his vengeance for the Suns on passing on Noel for Len...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MikeSGallagher/status/680963850766794752[/tweet]

I'll reply here with the same response as I did the other board you posted this to, Noel has been a disappointment considering the amount of hype he receives.

JS22 · Post #303 » by **JS22** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:50 pm

Cutter wrote:I want to judge Alex after he gets a couple of years straight if heavy playing time. Noel to me is not very impressive right now after playing well last year. The jury is still out on Len as far as I'm concerned.

Noel is getting about 30 minutes a game compared to Len's 18. Look at stretches where Len gets consistent minutes. He tends to play really well. But genius coach Jeff Hornacek has the worst rotations I've ever seen.

Eyeamok · Post #304 » by **Eyeamok** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:36 pm

JS22 wrote:
SF88 wrote:Noel sure took his vengeance for the Suns on passing on Noel for Len...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MikeSGallagher/status/680963850766794752[/tweet]

I'll reply here with the same response as I did the other board you posted this to, Noel has been a disappointment considering the amount of hype he receives.

This was Noels best move all season. Probably his best game all season. The guy has been playing out of position, but even with that he still has a loooooooong way to go on the offensive side of the ball. In fact this season he has regressed some. Hopefully Ish can help him get back to where he was last season. On the defensive end of the ball Noel can be an absolute beast.

And what hype does Noel get besides the love the 76ers give him?

Watching the game the other night, I was surprised that Len did not get more time on the court. Seems like the guy has a lot of potential why stick him on the bench so much?

Damkac · Post #305 » by **Damkac** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:28 am

I feel sorry for him. He is on that team where:
1) Nobody can make a good play with a big
2) Nobody defends and every oposite player gets to the basket at will so Len gets one foul per minute
3) Even when he is not in foul trouble he don't gets minutes because the coach prefer smallball

And some people here says they give up on him. Even experienced player like Chandler looks terrible here.
I wonder how would Alex looks playing for Spurs or Grizzlies. I'm sure much much better.

Post #306 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:12 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/paulcoro/status/686615657157267456[/tweet]

In Len We Trust · Post #307 » by **In Len We Trust** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:32 pm

Hornacek has given Len insanely inconsistent (and usually not enough) minutes his first several years and never gives him the ball yet you people expect some rapid improvement out of him? Are you **** kidding me? We don't have a chance of seeing a breakthrough from Len until Hornacek is finally gone. He has done nothing but damage Lens career, not to mention this franchise.

Saberestar · Post #308 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:33 pm

bwgood77 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/paulcoro/status/686615657157267456[/tweet]

I think it's a good decision. Resting this game he will have another few days to make a comeback against Boston or Minnesota.

StarMaker · Post #309 » by **StarMaker** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:29 pm

In Len We Trust wrote:Hornacek has given Len insanely inconsistent (and usually not enough) minutes his first several years and never gives him the ball yet you people expect some rapid improvement out of him? Are you **** kidding me? We don't have a chance of seeing a breakthrough from Len until Hornacek is finally gone. He has done nothing but damage Lens career, not to mention this franchise.

What Horny has done to Len is buried into oblivion by some people here. It's a shame. Sometimes I thought he would reather getting traded than playing for Horny. Maybe one or two years later, we would realize Horny almost ruined Len's early career.

jcsunsfan · Post #310 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:30 pm

Len's dealing with a nagging injury to his wrist. That is the reason for the minutes. Good grief. Why is that so hard to understand? He injured it almost a month ago and it still isn't healing right. Honestly, the inconsistency of minutes is probably because Horny has been playing him TOO MUCH and so the wrist hasn't had time to heal properly.

Post #311 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:17 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:Len's dealing with a nagging injury to his wrist. That is the reason for the minutes. Good grief. Why is that so hard to understand? He injured it almost a month ago and it still isn't healing right. Honestly, the inconsistency of minutes is probably because Horny has been playing him TOO MUCH and so the wrist hasn't had time to heal properly.

Exactly. I was going to reply earlier but thought it might fall on deaf ears. The Chandler signing doesn't help with his playing time either, or the fact he fouls himself right out of the game so quickly.

Damkac · Post #312 » by **Damkac** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:52 pm

Len is playing not enough minutes since he was drafted. Remember when he was clearly outplaying Plumlee but it took so long before he was made a starter? He was healthy then. Horny don't like giving young players minutes. In most cases it's understandable - coach wants to win so he play better veterans instead of inexperienced youngsters. But Suns veterans aren't good and it's questionable if playing them ahead of younger players makes the team better.
Hornacek also didn't teach our guards how to play with a big man. Chandler's numbers are droping. I'm sure Len would score more in a better offensive system.
He fouls himself out quickly right, but mayby if the rest of the team would play any defense and not allow anyone to go to the basket, he would not have so much fouls?

Put Len on Spurs, Mavs, Grizzlies and he would be a beast. Suns coaching staff is terrible. But everyone on GB thinks that Horny is great coach so mayby I'm wrong here.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #313 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 2:01 am

StarMaker wrote:
In Len We Trust wrote:Hornacek has given Len insanely inconsistent (and usually not enough) minutes his first several years and never gives him the ball yet you people expect some rapid improvement out of him? Are you **** kidding me? We don't have a chance of seeing a breakthrough from Len until Hornacek is finally gone. He has done nothing but damage Lens career, not to mention this franchise.

What Horny has done to Len is buried into oblivion by some people here. It's a shame. Sometimes I thought he would reather getting traded than playing for Horny. Maybe one or two years later, we would realize Horny almost ruined Len's early career.

Alex is coming along just fine.

Post #314 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 2:26 am

Len has spent much of his first two years injured, and now the last couple of weeks of this year, and we signed Chandler in the offseason too, which didn't help.

I think he is coming along fine as well, though his fouls are a bit of a concern.

thamadkant · Post #315 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:48 am

In Len We Trust wrote:Hornacek has given Len insanely inconsistent (and usually not enough) minutes his first several years and never gives him the ball yet you people expect some rapid improvement out of him? Are you **** kidding me? We don't have a chance of seeing a breakthrough from Len until Hornacek is finally gone. He has done nothing but damage Lens career, not to mention this franchise.

Hornacek has been terrible in coaching anyone who cant shoot a 3pt. Basically, if you wont be a 3 pt threath..he has no use for you.

Len, Goodwin, Warren under a proper non-3pt and small ball biased coach will develop better.

Suns need a defensive coach ASAP to maximise Len, Goodwin's defensive potentials...and teach Warren and Booker acceptable levels of defense or atleast team defense skills...
Because currently...these young guys are missing out.

Maybe next season.

StarMaker · Post #316 » by **StarMaker** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:54 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
StarMaker wrote:
In Len We Trust wrote:Hornacek has given Len insanely inconsistent (and usually not enough) minutes his first several years and never gives him the ball yet you people expect some rapid improvement out of him? Are you **** kidding me? We don't have a chance of seeing a breakthrough from Len until Hornacek is finally gone. He has done nothing but damage Lens career, not to mention this franchise.

What Horny has done to Len is buried into oblivion by some people here. It's a shame. Sometimes I thought he would reather getting traded than playing for Horny. Maybe one or two years later, we would realize Horny almost ruined Len's early career.

Alex is coming along just fine.

Just in your dreams. :roll:

Post #317 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 4:27 pm

What kind of contract do you think Len will demand/deserve summer 2017 when he becomes RFA? Maybe it might be better to keep and try to play Chandler (not that we may have much of a choice) quite a bit next year to limit Len's value. Chandler will likely continue to be injury prone but if we work on rehabilitating him over the next year and hopefully building his trade value and maybe trading him trade deadline or summer 2017 if possible, when he only has 2 years left on contract that would be in all parties best interest.

Post #318 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:47 am

^Hopefully not much. I don't want to lose Len, but I think he can be had for cheap. Match any offers we get for him, I think somewhere in the 7-8mil blall park range is where Len is at. He'll get better, maybe once we get rid of the circus act in the locker room he can start being more consistent on the court.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #319 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:50 pm

bwgood77 wrote:What kind of contract do you think Len will demand/deserve summer 2017 when he becomes RFA? Maybe it might be better to keep and try to play Chandler (not that we may have much of a choice) quite a bit next year to limit Len's value. Chandler will likely continue to be injury prone but if we work on rehabilitating him over the next year and hopefully building his trade value and maybe trading him trade deadline or summer 2017 if possible, when he only has 2 years left on contract that would be in all parties best interest.

I'm thinking $10-11 mil

saintEscaton · Post #320 » by **saintEscaton** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:16 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:What kind of contract do you think Len will demand/deserve summer 2017 when he becomes RFA? Maybe it might be better to keep and try to play Chandler (not that we may have much of a choice) quite a bit next year to limit Len's value. Chandler will likely continue to be injury prone but if we work on rehabilitating him over the next year and hopefully building his trade value and maybe trading him trade deadline or summer 2017 if possible, when he only has 2 years left on contract that would be in all parties best interest.

I'm thinking $10-11 mil

Let him walk then, he's no Gobert. A replacement level center is not gunna command that much on the open market even if unrestricted despite being a scarcity at the position. If he hasn't supplanted Chandler as starter by his 4th year he's an official bust.