2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

Unbreakable99 · Post #921 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:00 am

This is a must read. Skal gets obliterated lol.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/680929456274436097[/tweet]

As for 6-foot-11 big man Skal Labissiere, who has now managed just 4 combined points in his last three games and 22 points in his last six, the scout was not nearly as kind.

"Big Skal, no strength, no toughness, no game," the scout said. "Comes off the bench, plays 10 minutes, had 2 points, 3 rebounds, 0-for-3 from the floor. Shot an air ball on an easy hook.

"That guy is what you call a 'Paper Tiger,' a mock draft myth. He's a f***in' fantasy, that guy."

Told that DraftExpress.com had Labissiere projected as the No. 5 pick in the draft after he was once at No. 1, the scout said: "No. 5, he's not No. 1, he's not No. 5, he's not No. 51. That's a joke.

"He's not going to play anymore for Kentucky, I don't think. There's nothing he could do. The Louisville big men are mediocre at best. Truth be told, they're below mediocre. He couldn't do nothing with them. He's a fraud. The thing is going the other way fast."

He added: "You gotta see kids play against big-time college athletes and then you can make some kind of assessment. ...This is Rupp Arena, sold out, this is religious tribal warfare. It's one of the great rivalries in college basketball and if the kid didn't have a big name, he wouldn't even have played because he didn't deserve to play. That's my opinion."

iMoreland · Post #922 » by **iMoreland** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:12 am

Not good for the Sixers that Skal's stock is plummeting. Looking like this years Cliff Alexander

Kobblehead · Post #923 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:40 pm

The upperclassman > the underclassman in this draft.

roma258 · Post #924 » by **roma258** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:54 pm

Nerlens No Ls wrote:Not good for the Sixers that Skal's stock is plummeting. Looking like this years Cliff Alexander

Someone always slides, someone always rises, nbd.

mksp · Post #925 » by **mksp** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:48 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Embiiid wrote:Biggest takeaway: Jamal Murray is all hype. He's not good enough to warrant a lottery pick. I prefer both Dunn and Baldwin to him.

Yup. And that was evident after his first handful of college games. He's just the third Harrison bro, essentially.

I didn't like this dude going back to the all star games, was surprised so many liked him.

Give me Bender or Dunn with the LAL pick.

Unbreakable99 · Post #926 » by **Unbreakable99** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:37 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/iamdpick/status/680851329288433664[/tweet]

Mik317 · Post #927 » by **Mik317** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:08 am

NO MORE BIGMEN.

especially those who can't play for 3 **** years.

Unbreakable99 · Post #928 » by **Unbreakable99** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:10 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:This is a must read. Skal gets obliterated lol.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/680929456274436097[/tweet]

As for 6-foot-11 big man Skal Labissiere, who has now managed just 4 combined points in his last three games and 22 points in his last six, the scout was not nearly as kind.

"Big Skal, no strength, no toughness, no game," the scout said. "Comes off the bench, plays 10 minutes, had 2 points, 3 rebounds, 0-for-3 from the floor. Shot an air ball on an easy hook.

"That guy is what you call a 'Paper Tiger,' a mock draft myth. He's a f***in' fantasy, that guy."

Told that DraftExpress.com had Labissiere projected as the No. 5 pick in the draft after he was once at No. 1, the scout said: "No. 5, he's not No. 1, he's not No. 5, he's not No. 51. That's a joke.

"He's not going to play anymore for Kentucky, I don't think. There's nothing he could do. The Louisville big men are mediocre at best. Truth be told, they're below mediocre. He couldn't do nothing with them. He's a fraud. The thing is going the other way fast."

He added: "You gotta see kids play against big-time college athletes and then you can make some kind of assessment. ...This is Rupp Arena, sold out, this is religious tribal warfare. It's one of the great rivalries in college basketball and if the kid didn't have a big name, he wouldn't even have played because he didn't deserve to play. That's my opinion."

Calipari responds to article attacking Skal lol. I understand Cal but when evaluating players you can't be unafraid to make statements.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ukcoachcalipari/status/681193331951443968[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ukcoachcalipari/status/681193496489791488[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ukcoachcalipari/status/681193691520696320[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ukcoachcalipari/status/681193755777437696[/tweet]

snoopdogg88 · Post #929 » by **snoopdogg88** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:59 am

shut up Cal

corrupt clown

snoopdogg88 · Post #930 » by **snoopdogg88** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:00 am

Mik317 wrote:NO MORE BIGMEN.

especially those who can't play for 3 **** years.

we wil get the 3rd pick and draft Bender and you will like it.

you can't actually think we'll get the #1 pick and draft Ben "LeBron" Simmons and everything will be sunshine and roses, can you?

Skates · Post #931 » by **Skates** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:11 am

The way the draft looks at this point I want to get the first or second pick, Simmons or Ingram, with the Lakers picking third and Celtics 4 or 5. Someone will jump up, but at this point it looks like a two man top of the draft tier, although at the moment Simmons is in a tier by himself, but I like Ingram a lot long term. Currently the third pick looks blah and so forth, rather have the pick from the Lakers roll over with them getting no immediate help from this draft at 3, and though it is far away, next year looking a lot deeper of a draft, subject to change of course.

Unbreakable99 · Post #932 » by **Unbreakable99** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:33 am

Skates wrote:The way the draft looks at this point I want to get the first or second pick, Simmons or Ingram, with the Lakers picking third and Celtics 4 or 5. Someone will jump up, but at this point it looks like a two man top of the draft tier, although at the moment Simmons is in a tier by himself, but I like Ingram a lot long term. Currently the third pick looks blah and so forth, rather have the pick from the Lakers roll over with them getting no immediate help from this draft at 3, and though it is far away, next year looking a lot deeper of a draft, subject to change of course.

I'm with you. I don't want the Lakers pick as long as they don't get Simmons. I don't even care if they get Ingram though. I just dorm want them getting Simmons and not to get good free agents.

Ericb5 · Post #933 » by **Ericb5** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:28 am

snoopdogg88 wrote:
Mik317 wrote:NO MORE BIGMEN.

especially those who can't play for 3 **** years.

we wil get the 3rd pick and draft Bender and you will like it.

you can't actually think we'll get the #1 pick and draft Ben "LeBron" Simmons and everything will be sunshine and roses, can you?

I've never seen it mentioned that Bender is planning on staying for 3 years. If that were the case then he wouldn't be talked about in the top 5 imo.

It is still early in the draft process, but at this point I see the draft as follows.

1. Simmons

(Big gap)

2. Ingram

(Smaller gap)

3. A bunch of other dudes...

So following the rule that you only draft for need when the choices are in the same tier, if we end up 3rd or worse then we will be justified not taking a big man again. Bender may be a comparable talent to Dunn, Brown, Murray, Skal, etc..., but fit would dictate that we would take one of the wings/guards.

Following the same value rankings, my hopes for the lottery luck are skewed a bit as well. Since I don't have great respect for any of the prospects in the 3-6 range, I would much rather get 1 or 2 alone than get 3 and 4 together.

I think that Ingram has star talent at a position of need, and I think that Simmons is a franchise player. The rest of the guys would be great to have, but are available in every lottery. I would be fine losing the Lakers pick this year and waiting for a potential 4-8 pick from them next year, or really whatever it turns out to be. It will pay off sooner or later.

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Kolkmania · Post #934 » by **Kolkmania** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:21 pm

Lol, Labissiere is still a huge prospect. Remember a few weeks ago when everybody claimed that Ingram is a bust? Suddenly he is a contender for the 1st pick. Labissiere can do it all, lack of confidence and a physical adjustment is holding him back at the moment.

FreesFro · Post #935 » by **FreesFro** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:59 pm

Serious question. Is Simmons leaps and bounds ahead of Ingram? He's more than a year older than Ingram. Doesn't that have to be factored in? Or are we just projecting what they will be?

Ingram would be a fine consolation. Dunn is next on my list. We need top 2 though.

Ericb5 · Post #936 » by **Ericb5** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:17 pm

Kolkmania wrote:Lol, Labissiere is still a huge prospect. Remember a few weeks ago when everybody claimed that Ingram is a bust? Suddenly he is a contender for the 1st pick. Labissiere can do it all, lack of confidence and a physical adjustment is holding him back at the moment.

I remember reading a scouts assessment of Jermaine Oneal when he went into the draft straight out of highschool, so he was basically at the same stage that Skal is in now.

The scout simply said "Skinny and clueless". The point is that Oneal turned into a pretty darn good player. It is very early in Skal's development.

Kobblehead · Post #937 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:45 pm

Ingram on ESPNU tonight at 8pm against Elon. Could be a decent game since Elon is off to a 9-3 start.

He's starting to come around a bit but still hasn't demonstrated enough excellence to be worthy of the top 5 selection that he will inevitably be given. Hopefully he continues the forward trajectory tonight.

Skates · Post #938 » by **Skates** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:59 pm

Simmons is older, but uber productive now with an already established and very high floor.

Ingram has tons of projectable talent and skill, but hasn't established it yet at the collegiate level. Age is a huge factor in projections, but also comes with a larger margin of error in those projections. He is the kind of guy you really want to see progress and develop over this year. I like them both.

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Ericb5 · Post #939 » by **Ericb5** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:36 pm

Skates wrote:Simmons is older, but uber productive now with an already established and very high floor.

Ingram has tons of projectable talent and skill, but hasn't established it yet at the collegiate level. Age is a huge factor in projections, but also comes with a larger margin of error in those projections. He is the kind of guy you really want to see progress and develop over this year. I like them both.

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I think that age is a big factor in projections, but Simmons is beyond the projection phase. I think that he already is a star player who is just going to get better. With Ingram, we really ARE projecting. Right now he is a long athletic guy that can shoot, and has a knack for scoring.

If we compare Ingram to Durant in college you can see the difference between a guy who MIGHT grow into a star, and a player that already IS a star. Players develop at different rates though, so just because Durant or Simmons were well beyond Ingram at the same age doesn't mean that he can't some day catch up.

Kobblehead · Post #940 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:48 pm

Skates wrote:Ingram has tons of projectable talent and skill, but hasn't established it yet at the collegiate level.

Yup. Same thing with Wiggins during his freshman year. Had all the hype and projectables, but no consistent demonstration of excellence.