2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

[Ericb5]

If Simmons is as good as advertised (havent watched much of him because of reasons), then he dictates where we go in terms of who stays and who leaves. Just like if Jah was good enough to be that dude, then Noel and Embiid would suddenly have no place here and no one would bat an eye. If like if we got LeBron and being like ....well but Ish needs the ball doe. Great players dictate a lot of stuff. Hell, that is why we forced Noel into learning how to play the 4...in order to play with Embiid.

Besides, Simmons would not be a Jah situation. Even if he cannot play the 3 (I think people write that off too soon actually), he fits perfectly next to all 3 of our bigs. Hell, I could even see a crazy ass small ball lineup with Saric and Simmons running ****. But bottom line, if dude is good enough then two of our bigs will be moved or be ok with coming off the bench. Embiid for one can't be relied on and probably won't be able to handle starters minutes even if he could. So my bet he comes off the pine for his first year or two anyway. Saric seems like a great 6th man type as well.

and again while we need shooters...we also need creators or hell wings that don't die the moment they "try" to dribble.

You are completely right that great players will force the other guys to adjust to them, and won't have to adjust to the other players.

I think Simmons is a point forward and he can play either the 3 or the 4. On our team, as currently constructed, he will fit best at the 3. However, if he turns into a true franchise player, then you probably put him in the best position for him, even if it is the 4, and then trade other pieces to shape the roster.

This is why I am not crazy about playing Embiid at the 4. His BEST position is going to be the 5 most likely, and his talent is such that I would like to maximize his effectiveness even if it presents fit problems with Noel and Okafor.

I am not one to be concerned about fit at all really. I mean, I emotionally want the players that we have to fit with each other, but if they don't, I think that we can always make changes via trade that can even out the roster, as long as our players are developing and maintaining their value.

There are teams out there that are guard and wing heavy like the Celtics and Magic that have the inverse problem. A trade of a single player between our teams can scratch both itches as the same time.

Ultimately, if we get Simmons, and Embiid can stay healthy then in just those two players we will have the best young core in the league. We can move the rest of the pieces around to accommodate them in time.




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[Agnostifarian]

If Simmons is as good as advertised (havent watched much of him because of reasons), then he dictates where we go in terms of who stays and who leaves. Just like if Jah was good enough to be that dude, then Noel and Embiid would suddenly have no place here and no one would bat an eye. If like if we got LeBron and being like ....well but Ish needs the ball doe. Great players dictate a lot of stuff. Hell, that is why we forced Noel into learning how to play the 4...in order to play with Embiid.

Besides, Simmons would not be a Jah situation. Even if he cannot play the 3 (I think people write that off too soon actually), he fits perfectly next to all 3 of our bigs. Hell, I could even see a crazy ass small ball lineup with Saric and Simmons running ****. But bottom line, if dude is good enough then two of our bigs will be moved or be ok with coming off the bench. Embiid for one can't be relied on and probably won't be able to handle starters minutes even if he could. So my bet he comes off the pine for his first year or two anyway. Saric seems like a great 6th man type as well.

and again while we need shooters...we also need creators or hell wings that don't die the moment they "try" to dribble.

You are completely right that great players will force the other guys to adjust to them, and won't have to adjust to the other players.

I think Simmons is a point forward and he can play either the 3 or the 4. On our team, as currently constructed, he will fit best at the 3. However, if he turns into a true franchise player, then you probably put him in the best position for him, even if it is the 4, and then trade other pieces to shape the roster.

This is why I am not crazy about playing Embiid at the 4. His BEST position is going to be the 5 most likely, and his talent is such that I would like to maximize his effectiveness even if it presents fit problems with Noel and Okafor.

I am not one to be concerned about fit at all really. I mean, I emotionally want the players that we have to fit with each other, but if they don't, I think that we can always make changes via trade that can even out the roster, as long as our players are developing and maintaining their value.

There are teams out there that are guard and wing heavy like the Celtics and Magic that have the inverse problem. A trade of a single player between our teams can scratch both itches as the same time.

Ultimately, if we get Simmons, and Embiid can stay healthy then in just those two players we will have the best young core in the league. We can move the rest of the pieces around to accommodate them in time.

When you say it with conviction, it sounds true. Besides, I read it on the internet. Sorry, MIN.




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[Ericb5]

If Simmons is as good as advertised (havent watched much of him because of reasons), then he dictates where we go in terms of who stays and who leaves. Just like if Jah was good enough to be that dude, then Noel and Embiid would suddenly have no place here and no one would bat an eye. If like if we got LeBron and being like ....well but Ish needs the ball doe. Great players dictate a lot of stuff. Hell, that is why we forced Noel into learning how to play the 4...in order to play with Embiid.

Besides, Simmons would not be a Jah situation. Even if he cannot play the 3 (I think people write that off too soon actually), he fits perfectly next to all 3 of our bigs. Hell, I could even see a crazy ass small ball lineup with Saric and Simmons running ****. But bottom line, if dude is good enough then two of our bigs will be moved or be ok with coming off the bench. Embiid for one can't be relied on and probably won't be able to handle starters minutes even if he could. So my bet he comes off the pine for his first year or two anyway. Saric seems like a great 6th man type as well.

and again while we need shooters...we also need creators or hell wings that don't die the moment they "try" to dribble.

You are completely right that great players will force the other guys to adjust to them, and won't have to adjust to the other players.

I think Simmons is a point forward and he can play either the 3 or the 4. On our team, as currently constructed, he will fit best at the 3. However, if he turns into a true franchise player, then you probably put him in the best position for him, even if it is the 4, and then trade other pieces to shape the roster.

This is why I am not crazy about playing Embiid at the 4. His BEST position is going to be the 5 most likely, and his talent is such that I would like to maximize his effectiveness even if it presents fit problems with Noel and Okafor.

I am not one to be concerned about fit at all really. I mean, I emotionally want the players that we have to fit with each other, but if they don't, I think that we can always make changes via trade that can even out the roster, as long as our players are developing and maintaining their value.

There are teams out there that are guard and wing heavy like the Celtics and Magic that have the inverse problem. A trade of a single player between our teams can scratch both itches as the same time.

Ultimately, if we get Simmons, and Embiid can stay healthy then in just those two players we will have the best young core in the league. We can move the rest of the pieces around to accommodate them in time.

When you say it with conviction, it sounds true. Besides, I read it on the internet. Sorry, MIN.




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Unfortunately, we don't have Simmons or a healthy Embiid yet so we are far away, but here's to hoping!


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[Mik317]

Simmons spends a lot of time not gettting the ball

[ness]

Me personally I don't see the big hype about Simmons to me he reminds me of Lamar Odom not saying Lamar Odom wasn't a great player but he wasn't no superstar as bad as we need outside shooting I would go with Ingram and if we get the lakers pick I will get Murray or even Dunn

[ET Da Gawd]

Ignore that weirdo talkin bout trading Jahlil, he's not going anywhere. Best post player this team has seen in decades, I guess some sixer fans forget there's a bench, nerlens will either come off the bench with Dario or get traded. Embiid and Jahlil is the front court of the future


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[ET Da Gawd]

And Simmons is still clear cut #1 and it's not even close, Ingram has potential but he's on that nerlens diet (more so lackthereof)


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[ness]

Simmons is a clear cut number 1 in the weak ass draft... I'm not impressed with him at all you think he's going to score 40 points making 20 layups in the NBA ....he can't shoot.

[freshie2]

Who was the last freshman like Simmons? Beasley had similar impact/numbers, although he was more of than SF. His work ethic/drive to be great is the only question...he's got all the tools.

Embiid will have minute restrictions, so the front court would include Noel and Okafor unless they make some deals otherwise. Simmons at the SF cures a lot of ills, and would help shooters like Hollis/Stauskas/Covington tremendously.

[PhilasFinest]

Who was the last freshman like Simmons? Beasley had similar impact/numbers, although he was more of than SF. His work ethic/drive to be great is the only question...he's got all the tools.

Embiid will have minute restrictions, so the front court would include Noel and Okafor unless they make some deals otherwise. Simmons at the SF cures a lot of ills, and would help shooters like Hollis/Stauskas/Covington tremendously.

If we land Simmons and the only perimeter threats he has to find are Covington,Stauskas,Hollis....then were in for some serious disappointment.

I still think he's going to be best suited as a small ball PF, especially early on....or need someone with skills along the lines of Chris Bosh to compliment his driving ability and lack of a jump shot right now.

Simmons going the team would be great for our future, but would likely require some serious reshuffling up and down the roster.

[PhilasFinest]

Who was the last freshman like Simmons? Beasley had similar impact/numbers, although he was more of than SF. His work ethic/drive to be great is the only question...he's got all the tools.

Embiid will have minute restrictions, so the front court would include Noel and Okafor unless they make some deals otherwise. Simmons at the SF cures a lot of ills, and would help shooters like Hollis/Stauskas/Covington tremendously.

Beasley had an amazing freshman year (26.2 ppg 12.4 rpg 1+stl/blk
Carmelo Anthony averaged 22-10 his freshman year and helped Syracuse win a national title.
Durant averaged 25.9 ppg along with 11 red and almost 2 stls/blks.

[ness]

That's college we don't need no more non shooters on this team..everybody you named are not great shooters...they all can go...we should have learn with Evan Turner.. another overhype college non shooting player....you need great outside shooting to win in the NBA...and Simmons don't fit this team...Ingram to me is a better fit ...you he is skinny but so was kd..bosh...but what do they all have in common... They were good outside shooters..

[Ericb5]

Who was the last freshman like Simmons? Beasley had similar impact/numbers, although he was more of than SF. His work ethic/drive to be great is the only question...he's got all the tools.

Embiid will have minute restrictions, so the front court would include Noel and Okafor unless they make some deals other wise. Simmons at the SF cures a lot of ills, and would help shooters like Hollis/Stauskas/Covington tremendously.

Beasley was a similar talent, but he and Simmons are pretty different kinds of players. Outside of the huge intangibles difference(which is the only reason that Beasley never became a star in the nba) Beasley had basically no floor game to speak of. He was more like Melo than Simmons. Simmons has the elite facilitation tools of vision, handle, feel, etc...

[ET Da Gawd]

Who was the last freshman like Simmons? Beasley had similar impact/numbers, although he was more of than SF. His work ethic/drive to be great is the only question...he's got all the tools.

Embiid will have minute restrictions, so the front court would include Noel and Okafor unless they make some deals otherwise. Simmons at the SF cures a lot of ills, and would help shooters like Hollis/Stauskas/Covington tremendously.

If we land Simmons and the only perimeter threats he has to find are Covington,Stauskas,Hollis....then were in for some serious disappointment.

I still think he's going to be best suited as a small ball PF, especially early on....or need someone with skills along the lines of Chris Bosh to compliment his driving ability and lack of a jump shot right now.

Simmons going the team would be great for our future, but would likely require some serious reshuffling up and down the roster.

I'd imagine we'd trim all the fat next summer, Roco, Hollis, Nik, Canaan, Marshall, Sampson are not part of this teams long term vision at all, they're placeholders

[Kobblehead]

Did anyone care that Grant Hill, Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Magic Johnson and Penny Hardaway couldn't shoot?

He's a transcendent, facilitating, 2-way superstar. End of story. He'll be able to get to the rim at will with his size athleticism and ball skills. And just like all those other superstars, he'll develop a mid-range shot to fall back on as a secondary option for his scoring.

I just can't fathom the need to even discuss Ben Simmons not being the #1 pick or that a lack of ranged jumpshot will somehow hinder his ability to perform at the next level. A prospect like Simmons transcends normal evaluation talk. He's a plug superstar.

Who was the last freshman like Simmons?

A 2-way facilitator from the F position? There hasn't been a prospect like that since LeBron James. In regards to freshman? None.

[iMoreland]

Diamond Stone... Damn

[roma258]

Diamond Stone... Damn

He just came here to gloat. Not on the Sixers radar I'm sure, but if he can bully his way into the top 5, he could take the spot Labissier vacated.

[eagereyez]

MJ had an elite jumper out of college. Magic/Wade/Hardaway all had jumpers as well. Maybe not 3 pt. range, but their mid-range game was definitely there.

[Ericb5]

MJ had an elite jumper out of college. Magic/Wade/Hardaway all had jumpers as well. Maybe not 3 pt. range, but their mid-range game was definitely there.

I don't see how you can ever say that someone has an elite jumper if it doesn't go all the way out to the 3pt range.


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[ExplosionsInDaSky]

People throw the term "elite" around at an elite level as if elite is easy to achieve.