Game 34: Phoenix Suns (12-21) at San Antonio Spurs (27-6)

Frank Lee · Post #241 » by **Frank Lee** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:32 am

saintEscaton wrote:The legend is back. Frank oh I have missed you. Had to carry the mantle in your absence

haha... thanks St.... I moved that post over to the McDuh one...but you were johnny on the spot....

who am I to go off topic ???

Cutter · Post #242 » by **Cutter** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:41 am

Wow. Welcome back Frank. How did you get get the ok to come back?

Frank Lee · Post #243 » by **Frank Lee** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:46 am

I wasn't ever banned/suspended Cut.... Just got tired of being told Brandon Knight was a top ten SG. Decided to sit back for a while and let him prove me wrong.

Did he ?

(stay tuned for a Myagi appearance :naaa:

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Cutter · Post #244 » by **Cutter** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:51 am

Frank Lee wrote:I wasn't ever banned/suspended Cut.... Just got tired of being told Brandon Knight was a top ten SG. Decided to sit back for a while and let him prove me wrong.

Did he ?

(stay tuned for a Myagi appearance )

I'm glad you are back. I'm sure you have been following the downward spiral this team has become.

And no, Knight is showing himself to be what he has always been,.....a streaky inconsistent SG who thinks he is a PG. The bad news is that he is worse at PG than SG.

Revived · Post #245 » by **Revived** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:03 am

blacksun wrote:Alex Len or Joel Embiid? Who'd you rather?

I don't think any 76ers fan would take Len even despite the huge ? that Embiid is injury wise.

Revived · Post #246 » by **Revived** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:19 am

GoranTragic wrote:After watching Len this season I'm about ready to give up on him. I don't know what the deal is with this guy but he isn't doing **** out there. I have yet to hear/understand why he has regressed this much since last season. If he can't figure it out move him.

I know that is harsh but the one time we choose a center in a stacked draft he is non-existant on the team. What the hell? We even had to pick up Chandler to "mentor" him and that clearly isn't working. What a waste.

GoranTragic wrote:Len on the other hand was picked 4th and he looks like a total bust. Booker/Warren are the only good young guys on this team.

For as weak as the 2013 draft was, the Suns still drafted the worst center in the 1st round despite being the first team to draft a center.

Noel, Adams (who actually starts over the $70 million man Kanter) and Gobert have looked better than Len. I'd say even guys like Olynyk and Dieng look more promising than Len has. For as weak as the 2013 draft was, the Suns still drafted the worst center in the 1st round despite being the first team to draft a center.

Noel, Adams (who actually starts over the $70 million man Kanter) and Gobert have looked better than Len. I'd say even guys like Olynyk and Dieng look more promising than Len has.

And we payed a steep $52 million dollars for a "mentor".

Post #247 » by **batsmasher** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:02 am

This board is full of ****, I'm out. Enjoy reveling in negativity.

Revived · Post #248 » by **Revived** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:25 am

Guys rejoice in positivity, Suns are 12-22 and getting their ass kicked by the worst and best teams alike and we're now 6 years running without making playoffs and all kinds of dysfunction within the locker room, why the negativity I don't understand it, yall chasing some of our best posters away....

thamadkant · Post #249 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:41 am

Hornacek and his system isnt good for Len and other similar players. I will be patient.

Post #250 » by **bondom34** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:42 am

batsmasher wrote:This board is full of ****, I'm out. Enjoy reveling in negativity.

Dude, hang around, don't let a few people get to you.

As an outsider, I legit don't get the negativity from you guys. You've still got a bright future, I know its been disappointing but it seriously is not bad.

Post #251 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:07 am

SF88 wrote:Guys rejoice in positivity, Suns are 12-22 and getting their ass kicked by the worst and best teams alike and we're now 6 years running without making playoffs and all kinds of dysfunction within the locker room, why the negativity I don't understand it, yall chasing some of our best posters away....

Post #252 » by **bondom34** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:12 am

bwgood77 wrote:
SF88 wrote:Guys rejoice in positivity, Suns are 12-22 and getting their ass kicked by the worst and best teams alike and we're now 6 years running without making playoffs and all kinds of dysfunction within the locker room, why the negativity I don't understand it, yall chasing some of our best posters away....

Not gonna lie, always thought you were a dude. You're kinda hot.

RunDogGun · Post #253 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:30 am

ginobiliflops wrote:The thing is, even if we wanted them to make the playoffs and get blasted by GSW, it's not happening. We're 5-17 in our last 22 games and without our best player. This is a 20 win team at best.

I'd still like to see how the team plays once Markieff is traded. Yes, it may happen too late to make a difference but who knows?

bigfoot · Post #254 » by **bigfoot** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:56 am

bondom34 wrote:
batsmasher wrote:This board is full of ****, I'm out. Enjoy reveling in negativity.

Dude, hang around, don't let a few people get to you.

As an outsider, I legit don't get the negativity from you guys. You've still got a bright future, I know its been disappointing but it seriously is not bad.

Only have a bright future if you live in Arizona with 300+ days of sunshine a year. This team has all the wrong parts from top-to-bottom. Some of the parts will take three-to-four years to remove. And there is not one really nice part that anyone would consider the foundation of the team.

Sarver (worst owner in all of sports)
McD (treats employees like meat)
Horny (nice guy, system doesn't work for ****)
Bledsoe (turnovers and injury prone)
Knight (poor defender, shot selection, turnovers)
Kief (malcontent and just a sixth man)
Chandler (old as dirt and getting paid a bunch)
Len (nothing to see there ... move on)
Warren (Ceballos 2.0 ... no defense)
Booker (too young to shave)
Goodwin (the second coming but only if you are a believer)

thamadkant · Post #255 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:15 pm

Suns have a lot of tradeable assets. But only if the GM is willing to rebuild again from scratch.

The 2 PG system with Bledsoe and Knight WILL need a miraculous improvement to be a contender.

Post #256 » by **bondom34** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:44 pm

bigfoot wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
batsmasher wrote:This board is full of ****, I'm out. Enjoy reveling in negativity.

Dude, hang around, don't let a few people get to you.

As an outsider, I legit don't get the negativity from you guys. You've still got a bright future, I know its been disappointing but it seriously is not bad.

Only have a bright future if you live in Arizona with 300+ days of sunshine a year. This team has all the wrong parts from top-to-bottom. Some of the parts will take three-to-four years to remove. And there is not one really nice part that anyone would consider the foundation of the team.

Sarver (worst owner in all of sports)
McD (treats employees like meat)
Horny (nice guy, system doesn't work for ****)
Bledsoe (turnovers and injury prone)
Knight (poor defender, shot selection, turnovers)
Kief (malcontent and just a sixth man)
Chandler (old as dirt and getting paid a bunch)
Len (nothing to see there ... move on)
Warren (Ceballos 2.0 ... no defense)
Booker (too young to shave)
Goodwin (the second coming but only if you are a believer)

You've got a young roster, all your picks, and 2 guys who I'd put at the level of able to be 2nd/3rd fiddle on a contender. You need the 1st guy and there's multiple ways to get that. You've listed the negatives of everyone and not a single positive. Off the top of my head you've got a better future than at least half the league, and possibly more. Heck it pains me to say it but, if Durant leaves this offseason you're better off than OKC. You're better off than any of Brooklyn, NYK, Chicago, Miami, about where Detroit is, better than Washington assuming no Durant, probably Toronto, Dallas, Memphis, Denver, the Lakers, the Kings, probably the Clippers given their GM, possibly OKC in a year (I hope not

), and possibly New Orleans due to a terrible GM. So about middle of the pack, and I could make an argument for more including the Bucks, Hawks, Sixers, Pacers, and Rockets.

bigfoot · Post #257 » by **bigfoot** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:01 pm

bondom34 wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
Dude, hang around, don't let a few people get to you.

As an outsider, I legit don't get the negativity from you guys. You've still got a bright future, I know its been disappointing but it seriously is not bad.

Only have a bright future if you live in Arizona with 300+ days of sunshine a year. This team has all the wrong parts from top-to-bottom. Some of the parts will take three-to-four years to remove. And there is not one really nice part that anyone would consider the foundation of the team.

Sarver (worst owner in all of sports)
McD (treats employees like meat)
Horny (nice guy, system doesn't work for ****)
Bledsoe (turnovers and injury prone)
Knight (poor defender, shot selection, turnovers)
Kief (malcontent and just a sixth man)
Chandler (old as dirt and getting paid a bunch)
Len (nothing to see there ... move on)
Warren (Ceballos 2.0 ... no defense)
Booker (too young to shave)
Goodwin (the second coming but only if you are a believer)

You've got a young roster, all your picks, and 2 guys who I'd put at the level of able to be 2nd/3rd fiddle on a contender. You need the 1st guy and there's multiple ways to get that. You've listed the negatives of everyone and not a single positive. Off the top of my head you've got a better future than at least half the league, and possibly more. Heck it pains me to say it but, if Durant leaves this offseason you're better off than OKC. You're better off than any of Brooklyn, NYK, Chicago, Miami, about where Detroit is, better than Washington assuming no Durant, probably Toronto, Dallas, Memphis, Denver, the Lakers, the Kings, probably the Clippers given their GM, possibly OKC in a year (I hope not ), and possibly New Orleans due to a terrible GM. So about middle of the pack, and I could make an argument for more including the Bucks, Hawks, Sixers, Pacers, and Rockets.

1. No tier 1 (all-star) free agent in their right mind is coming to the Suns next year. So eliminate that as a way to get a 1st guy.
2. There aren't any available 1st guys in trades right now ... well maybe Dwight Howard. Maybe. But we would have to give up alot to get him and then he could leave next year. Option 2 is almost non-existent.
3. Get a 1st guy in the draft (almost always the number 1 pick) and wait four years for him to develop (ala Durant, Unibrow, Griffin, etc). So we have a <25% chance of that happening this year.
4. Pray that one of our young guys (Booker, Len, Warren, Bogdanovic) turn into that number 1 guy. So far Len and Warren look questionable.

The Sun ain't shining here anytime soon and it's been six years of pretty cloudy weather.

Post #258 » by **bondom34** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:21 pm

bigfoot wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
Only have a bright future if you live in Arizona with 300+ days of sunshine a year. This team has all the wrong parts from top-to-bottom. Some of the parts will take three-to-four years to remove. And there is not one really nice part that anyone would consider the foundation of the team.

Sarver (worst owner in all of sports)
McD (treats employees like meat)
Horny (nice guy, system doesn't work for ****)
Bledsoe (turnovers and injury prone)
Knight (poor defender, shot selection, turnovers)
Kief (malcontent and just a sixth man)
Chandler (old as dirt and getting paid a bunch)
Len (nothing to see there ... move on)
Warren (Ceballos 2.0 ... no defense)
Booker (too young to shave)
Goodwin (the second coming but only if you are a believer)

You've got a young roster, all your picks, and 2 guys who I'd put at the level of able to be 2nd/3rd fiddle on a contender. You need the 1st guy and there's multiple ways to get that. You've listed the negatives of everyone and not a single positive. Off the top of my head you've got a better future than at least half the league, and possibly more. Heck it pains me to say it but, if Durant leaves this offseason you're better off than OKC. You're better off than any of Brooklyn, NYK, Chicago, Miami, about where Detroit is, better than Washington assuming no Durant, probably Toronto, Dallas, Memphis, Denver, the Lakers, the Kings, probably the Clippers given their GM, possibly OKC in a year (I hope not ), and possibly New Orleans due to a terrible GM. So about middle of the pack, and I could make an argument for more including the Bucks, Hawks, Sixers, Pacers, and Rockets.

1. No tier 1 (all-star) free agent in their right mind is coming to the Suns next year. So eliminate that as a way to get a 1st guy.
2. There aren't any available 1st guys in trades right now ... well maybe Dwight Howard. Maybe. But we would have to give up alot to get him and then he could leave next year. Option 2 is almost non-existent.
3. Get a 1st guy in the draft (almost always the number 1 pick) and wait four years for him to develop (ala Durant, Unibrow, Griffin, etc). So we have a <25% chance of that happening this year.
4. Pray that one of our young guys (Booker, Len, Warren, Bogdanovic) turn into that number 1 guy. So far Len and Warren look questionable.

The Sun ain't shining here anytime soon and it's been six years of pretty cloudy weather.

1. I disagree, you never know.
2. Cousins could be.
3. You're young enough that if you hit it is possible.
4. Its possible.

You're still better off than any of those teams I listed, yet most of those fanbases paint a very rosy picture of their team.

aIvin adams · Post #259 » by **aIvin adams** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:26 pm

Thx for the effort bondom but all we need is some time. Suns fans aren't as resilient as Kings fans. We're just not used to this.

The saddest rumor I've ever read was the headline that the Chairman was putting together an ownership group to buy back the Suns before he ended up taking the Sixers gig.

The good news about last night's game: I turned it on 1 minute after it was over due to scheduling issues w the ball n chain. Women are so intuitive...

Frank Lee · Post #260 » by **Frank Lee** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:26 pm

bondom34 wrote:
Heck it pains me to say it but, if Durant leaves this offseason you're better off than OKC. You're better off than any of Brooklyn, NYK, Chicago, Miami, about where Detroit is, better than Washington assuming no Durant, probably Toronto, Dallas, Memphis, Denver, the Lakers, the Kings, probably the Clippers given their GM, possibly OKC in a year (I hope not ), and possibly New Orleans due to a terrible GM. So about middle of the pack, and I could make an argument for more including the Bucks, Hawks, Sixers, Pacers, and Rockets.

What ??? We are better off because of what ... a few extra late draft picks and a couple so far down the road the projected players are in junior high ??? You vastly over rate this team.

Your assessment about middle of the pack is right where mediocrity resides.