Is Klay Thompson overrated?

[bakesale]

Anyone that rips on Klay in this thread after his bad game today will have to eat and then post a gif of themselves eating a giant pink ribbed dildo the next time Klay blasts a team for 35 in 3 quarters.

And before he blasts a team for 35 points in 3 quarters, he'll have 10 quarters of MEH.

What good does that do us, exactly?

He's averaged about 25ppg for December and you rip into him at the first chance you can get?

GTFO!

[Revived]

http://nbawowy-52108.onmodulus.net/2jqoye831q8e61or

Klay's performance without Steph - horrific ts% of 38.6%

My god, that's beyond horrific.

If Thompson had actually gotten traded to Minnesota for Love and they gave him a max, Thompson may have ended up the worst contract in the NBA with those type of numbers without Curry there.

[FNQ]

Draymond is the 2nd most important Warrior.. Until Curry goes out, then its Klay, lets blame him!

If people thought Klay is good without a true PG, as an iso scorer, I guess this was a rude awakening. He needs a legitimate PG next to him, and Livingston is more of a game manager type, always has been. Ab8 nailed it - certain posters cant wait to see Barnes, Klay, and even Green have an off night

Klay sure would suck with Minnesota seeing as they don't have a high quality passing PG there.

[FNQ]

Not sure this dumpage is fair....Two things are true. He can be an amazing scorer when he's on....and he can look completely lost when he's off.

Warriors played tonight with NO point guard. Livingston doesn't penetrate, stretch the floor...so spacing was a nightmare.

So...horrid game by Klay....horrid game by the entire team. I think it was a total lack of point guard leadership that started it all tonight...

That's why I think this team desperately needs a backup PG. Liv is great, but we need a guy that is Steph-lite to keep the game rolling along in the style we play.

Players like Darren Collison, Jerryd Bayless, Isaiah Canaan and Patty Mills would all do the trick. We need a creator that can still stretch the floor.

Steph is the one player you cant throw a backup in, and say run our system. If Steph sits, the whole strategy should change. Lockdown defense and a lot of set playcalling, seeing as our PnR and fastbreak shooting will suffer tremendously.

If anything, a pure facilitator like Kendall Marshall, someone who you could bench until needed, wpuld work best. Ian Clark is not that guy

[cpower]

Anyone that rips on Klay in this thread after his bad game today will have to eat and then post a gif of themselves eating a giant pink ribbed dildo the next time Klay blasts a team for 35 in 3 quarters.

And before he blasts a team for 35 points in 3 quarters, he'll have 10 quarters of MEH.

What good does that do us, exactly?

He's averaged about 25ppg for December and you rip into him at the first chance you can get?

GTFO!

he averaged 16/4 (51%TS) in NBA finals, so Klay does disappear in big games where he was needed the most.

[oaktownwarriors87]

And before he blasts a team for 35 points in 3 quarters, he'll have 10 quarters of MEH.

What good does that do us, exactly?

He's averaged about 25ppg for December and you rip into him at the first chance you can get?

GTFO!

he averaged 16/4 (51%TS) in NBA finals, so Klay does disappear in big games where he was needed the most.

Klay was the only player outside of Curry that was being defended. They were literally leaving Iguodala, Green, and Barnes wide open.

GTFO!

[KevinMcreynolds]

http://nbawowy-52108.onmodulus.net/2jqoye831q8e61or

Klay's performance without Steph - horrific ts% of 38.6%

My god, that's beyond horrific.

If Thompson had actually gotten traded to Minnesota for Love and they gave him a max, Thompson may have ended up the worst contract in the NBA with those type of numbers without Curry there.

that ts% is in 110 minutes, that's equivalent to less than 4 games...

The only thing that's beyond horrific is this discussion.

[FNQ]

http://nbawowy-52108.onmodulus.net/2jqoye831q8e61or

Klay's performance without Steph - horrific ts% of 38.6%

My god, that's beyond horrific.

If Thompson had actually gotten traded to Minnesota for Love and they gave him a max, Thompson may have ended up the worst contract in the NBA with those type of numbers without Curry there.

that ts% is in 110 minutes, that's equivalent to less than 4 games...

The only thing that's beyond horrific is this discussion.

It's not without reason, just reaffirms two things:

- Klay is a complementary scorer, not a primary one
- Klay needs an actual PG (Iguodala and Green are not that, nor is Livi)

But someone has to be primary scorer when Curry sits, so it falls to Klay.

[HiRez]

If Steph sits, the whole strategy should change. Lockdown defense and a lot of set playcalling, seeing as our PnR and fastbreak shooting will suffer tremendously.

It's true, everything revolves so heavily around Curry doing what he does that the whole system just doesn't work the same way when he's out. And we have a roster chock full of really good system players. They perform their roles perfectly but take them out of their role and things get weird.

Klay is a system player, he's not a guy who is going to assert himself and carry an offense over an extended period of time, he's not going to fill a vacuum created by Steph's absence. Kinda hard to blame him for that since he is who he is, we drafted him, we developed him, we payed him, and when Steph is playing he's a perfect complement most of the time. While it's true that Klay benefits greatly from Steph's offensive prowess, it's also true that Steph benefits greatly from Klay's size and defense covering for him, as well as at least being a decoy if not outright scoring threat on the offensive end.

So yes, it's perhaps unfair to dump on Klay right now, I'm guilty of it, but I still worry about what happens to this finely-tuned machine when one or two parts are missing or are a little wobbly. We're still not on the Spurs' level in that regard.

And it's still an open and—in my mind—fair question to ask "Do we want/need a second superstar on this team?" And is Klay (along with probably Barnes) the main chip we would use to achieve it? Again, when everything is going perfectly and everyone's healthy, we're the best team in the league. But when Steph has to sit, we're awful. Not mediocre, like actually really bad. If that's a couple games a year, not a big deal. But if Steph is out 10, 20, 30 games, which is probably inevitable at some point, it's a real problem. That could easily cost us at least home court advantage in a key playoff series, if not worse.

That's where having a let's say Durant could help us weather that storm and come out of it in decent shape. A couple years ago when Westbrook was out for a 27 game stretch, OKC went 20-7 with Durant shouldering the load. That's not going to happen with the Warriors if Steph goes out. Ultimately, OKC lost to the #1 seeded Spurs that year, but that stretch of games helped give them HCA against Memphis and LAC in the first two rounds.

I'm definitely not in the let's move Klay for the hell of it camp, but if he's the piece that gets us Durant, I wouldn't hesitate. Unfortunately the Barnes contract situation is pushing the timetable on major deals.

[bakesale]

My god, that's beyond horrific.

If Thompson had actually gotten traded to Minnesota for Love and they gave him a max, Thompson may have ended up the worst contract in the NBA with those type of numbers without Curry there.

that ts% is in 110 minutes, that's equivalent to less than 4 games...

The only thing that's beyond horrific is this discussion.

It's not without reason, just reaffirms two things:

- Klay is a complementary scorer, not a primary one
- Klay needs an actual PG (Iguodala and Green are not that, nor is Livi)

But someone has to be primary scorer when Curry sits, so it falls to Klay.

Livingston is an excellent point guard.

Give them all a minute to figure things out. We have some of the highest iq guys in the league and we already know they're competitive. It was just 1 game!

[baldur]

yes he is overrated which is why he scored 20 points against rockets in the first quarter today.

[Revived]

yes he is overrated which is why he scored 20 points against rockets in the first quarter today.

Lol enough said. And no one here is saying he's a scrub or something.

[FNQ]

that ts% is in 110 minutes, that's equivalent to less than 4 games...

The only thing that's beyond horrific is this discussion.

It's not without reason, just reaffirms two things:

- Klay is a complementary scorer, not a primary one
- Klay needs an actual PG (Iguodala and Green are not that, nor is Livi)

But someone has to be primary scorer when Curry sits, so it falls to Klay.

Livingston is an excellent point guard.

Give them all a minute to figure things out. We have some of the highest iq guys in the league and we already know they're competitive. It was just 1 game!

When I say 'actual PG' I mean playmaker, shot creator. Livingston is a very good player but he does not habitually create for others and hasnt since his big injury. So in lieu of freelancing like Curry does, Livi would probably benefit from more set plays that are designed to give him an A/B option to pass it to

[FNQ]

yes he is overrated which is why he scored 20 points against rockets in the first quarter today.

Lol enough said. And no one here is saying he's a scrub or something.

Yeah, everyone scores 17 in a quarter vs the Rockets.. 68 points vs Rockets is probably the league average for #1 options

[likashing]

No one says he's a scrub. He is doing what he's supposed to as the $18m man. He has a good game.

For those telling ppl to eat crow after his performance today, this is like his first good game, or first good minutes without Steph this whole season. Bucks game, Mavs game and this game. That's like showing up 1/3 of the big games which he is needed.

I will eat crow gladly when he actually consistently shows up when needed / without Steph etc.

[Revived]

yes he is overrated which is why he scored 20 points against rockets in the first quarter today.

Lol enough said. And no one here is saying he's a scrub or something.

Yeah, everyone scores 17 in a quarter vs the Rockets.. 68 points vs Rockets is probably the league average for #1 options

Rockets have the 3rd worst defense in the NBA by FG% and they also have the worst defending SG in the NBA in Harden.

But I'll give him props, for making $18M and being a supposed superstar, I expect him to dump 30-40 pts against awful defensive teams especially when he has to shoulder the load with Curry out and he's meeting those expectations.

[FNQ]

Expecting anyone to go for 30-40.. Good luck with that

I truly pity what Barnes will go through if hes matched at max. 23m a season, he should get what, 40-50?

[baldur]

Lol enough said. And no one here is saying he's a scrub or something.

Yeah, everyone scores 17 in a quarter vs the Rockets.. 68 points vs Rockets is probably the league average for #1 options

Rockets have the 3rd worst defense in the NBA by FG% and they also have the worst defending SG in the NBA in Harden.

But I'll give him props, for making $18M and being a supposed superstar, I expect him to dump 30-40 pts against awful defensive teams especially when he has to shoulder the load with Curry out and he's meeting those expectations.

he scored 31 points in first three quarters. what else do you demand?

[FNQ]

No one says he's a scrub. He is doing what he's supposed to as the $18m man. He has a good game.

For those telling ppl to eat crow after his performance today, this is like his first good game, or first good minutes without Steph this whole season. Bucks game, Mavs game and this game. That's like showing up 1/3 of the big games which he is needed.

I will eat crow gladly when he actually consistently shows up when needed / without Steph etc.

Why doesnt the SG with minimal iso skills score more without our one consistent shot creator? Does it need further explanation?

[a8bil]

No one says he's a scrub. He is doing what he's supposed to as the $18m man. He has a good game.

For those telling ppl to eat crow after his performance today, this is like his first good game, or first good minutes without Steph this whole season. Bucks game, Mavs game and this game. That's like showing up 1/3 of the big games which he is needed.

I will eat crow gladly when he actually consistently shows up when needed / without Steph etc.

Why doesnt the SG with minimal iso skills score more without our one consistent shot creator? Does it need further explanation?

LOL...your (spot on) observation will be lost on most in this thread. Unless every player is a ball dominant iso player he sucks..at least in the view of some on this board. Oh well.