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Post#141 » by Revived » Fri Jan 1, 2016 1:26 am

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That is what upsets me so much. Do you think we went after Chandler because of $arver?

(Since he wants to get into the playoffs = more $$$ to fill his pockets because the money purse that comes with getting into the show)


For sure. I also am not entirely sure we trade the pick for Knight if Sarver didn't say something like "we don't need THAT many young guys and picks! We need players who can play now!" At least he isn't selling our own picks any more.



jeezus.... this is the biggest crawl up McDuh's rump and wiggle blame deflection I've seen to date. You have out done yourself. No one can touch your 'hampstering' talents. You really believe things like this?

Bad enough to get the smug know it all, condescending rebuttals, and futuristic reassurances, whenever anyone questions the direction of the team. (Hats off to the torch carriers :rock: who haven't given in to the rosy glassers). King Midas McDuh knows what he is doing. Or does he? He has drafted 3 guys that appear to have a future with us... two have been dubbed All Stars already, and our dominate big man got demoted by an old man. But thats apparently on Sarver too. Just so we could get a sister kiss chasing LMA. That almosts feel good. (but please, stop the Bogdan praise/penciled in starter. He's the new hopethrob of the Goodwhiners)

From what I have seen.. McDuh has done OK drafting... and we do have a few extra late picks... our best one, aside from the one we are cruising towards, doesn't drop till 2021.... thats uh... 5 yrs from now :o Mc has made one really good trade, some so so-ers, and a couple of WTFs. But he has poorly managed the personnel here and screwed the pooch in free agency. Certainly there is a question with his coach selection, as well as this love affair with multiple combo guards.

Frankly, all his efforts over the past three years, puts us almost back on page one. He's all in with Knight, and for his and our sake, we'd better hope the 2 of the three draftees come through. And Bled ??? you really think he will re-up with us. I don't see it.

King Midas? More like Prince Pyrite to me. He has a lot of unfinished work to do.

So Yeah... I am still around, still eyeball games and this site. Was holding off till the new year and hopefully a roster shuffle, but the
nutless wonders in the FO can't even muster up enough balljuice to tell Morris to stay home till further notice. Pathetic. My guess, very few GMs would tolerate MoBro being around to sour the troops. Might be why he is still here. Oh well... I don't know what to expect anymore, especially after hearing a few of McDuh's BS pressers. Carry on Bgwood... I'll be watching.

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Hallelujah Frank!! Happy to see you back my friend.

Sarver has a ton of issues and I would love for him to sell the team but I'm not sure how anyone can just brush off the blame on him and conveniently recuse McD and Hornacek from any. I love the Booker pick and I like the Warren selection. Everything else is a ? at best at this point. McD's biggest fail as GM may be his HC choice when he may have decided to get cute and go after a former fan favorite Sun in Jeff Hornacek.

And like others said, hope to see you posting more.
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Re: Should Ryan Mcdonough be fired? 

Post#142 » by bondom34 » Fri Jan 1, 2016 2:02 am

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For sure. I also am not entirely sure we trade the pick for Knight if Sarver didn't say something like "we don't need THAT many young guys and picks! We need players who can play now!" At least he isn't selling our own picks any more.



jeezus.... this is the biggest crawl up McDuh's rump and wiggle blame deflection I've seen to date. You have out done yourself. No one can touch your 'hampstering' talents. You really believe things like this?

Bad enough to get the smug know it all, condescending rebuttals, and futuristic reassurances, whenever anyone questions the direction of the team. (Hats off to the torch carriers :rock: who haven't given in to the rosy glassers). King Midas McDuh knows what he is doing. Or does he? He has drafted 3 guys that appear to have a future with us... two have been dubbed All Stars already, and our dominate big man got demoted by an old man. But thats apparently on Sarver too. Just so we could get a sister kiss chasing LMA. That almosts feel good. (but please, stop the Bogdan praise/penciled in starter. He's the new hopethrob of the Goodwhiners)

From what I have seen.. McDuh has done OK drafting... and we do have a few extra late picks... our best one, aside from the one we are cruising towards, doesn't drop till 2021.... thats uh... 5 yrs from now :o Mc has made one really good trade, some so so-ers, and a couple of WTFs. But he has poorly managed the personnel here and screwed the pooch in free agency. Certainly there is a question with his coach selection, as well as this love affair with multiple combo guards.

Frankly, all his efforts over the past three years, puts us almost back on page one. He's all in with Knight, and for his and our sake, we'd better hope the 2 of the three draftees come through. And Bled ??? you really think he will re-up with us. I don't see it.

King Midas? More like Prince Pyrite to me. He has a lot of unfinished work to do.

So Yeah... I am still around, still eyeball games and this site. Was holding off till the new year and hopefully a roster shuffle, but the
nutless wonders in the FO can't even muster up enough balljuice to tell Morris to stay home till further notice. Pathetic. My guess, very few GMs would tolerate MoBro being around to sour the troops. Might be why he is still here. Oh well... I don't know what to expect anymore, especially after hearing a few of McDuh's BS pressers. Carry on Bgwood... I'll be watching.

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Hallelujah Frank!! Happy to see you back my friend.

Sarver has a ton of issues and I would love for him to sell the team but I'm not sure how anyone can just brush off the blame on him and conveniently recuse McD and Hornacek from any. I love the Booker pick and I like the Warren selection. Everything else is a ? at best at this point. McD's biggest fail as GM may be his HC choice when he may have decided to get cute and go after a former fan favorite Sun in Jeff Hornacek.

And like others said, hope to see you posting more.


Ever occur to people that maybe, just maybe, pointlessly unnecessary negativity for no sensible reason is odd? Because bwgood hasn't said anything here leading me to believe he's got some blind belief your team is better than they are. He's pretty realistic and reasonable. On the other hand bashing everything about the organization seems like some bizarro vendetta. To be completely honest it seems like nearly trolling and like you just want to be sure other people are as miserable as possible when they read the board.
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Re: Should Ryan Mcdonough be fired? 

Post#143 » by saintEscaton » Fri Jan 1, 2016 2:12 am

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jeezus.... this is the biggest crawl up McDuh's rump and wiggle blame deflection I've seen to date. You have out done yourself. No one can touch your 'hampstering' talents. You really believe things like this?

Bad enough to get the smug know it all, condescending rebuttals, and futuristic reassurances, whenever anyone questions the direction of the team. (Hats off to the torch carriers :rock: who haven't given in to the rosy glassers). King Midas McDuh knows what he is doing. Or does he? He has drafted 3 guys that appear to have a future with us... two have been dubbed All Stars already, and our dominate big man got demoted by an old man. But thats apparently on Sarver too. Just so we could get a sister kiss chasing LMA. That almosts feel good. (but please, stop the Bogdan praise/penciled in starter. He's the new hopethrob of the Goodwhiners)

From what I have seen.. McDuh has done OK drafting... and we do have a few extra late picks... our best one, aside from the one we are cruising towards, doesn't drop till 2021.... thats uh... 5 yrs from now :o Mc has made one really good trade, some so so-ers, and a couple of WTFs. But he has poorly managed the personnel here and screwed the pooch in free agency. Certainly there is a question with his coach selection, as well as this love affair with multiple combo guards.

Frankly, all his efforts over the past three years, puts us almost back on page one. He's all in with Knight, and for his and our sake, we'd better hope the 2 of the three draftees come through. And Bled ??? you really think he will re-up with us. I don't see it.

King Midas? More like Prince Pyrite to me. He has a lot of unfinished work to do.

So Yeah... I am still around, still eyeball games and this site. Was holding off till the new year and hopefully a roster shuffle, but the
nutless wonders in the FO can't even muster up enough balljuice to tell Morris to stay home till further notice. Pathetic. My guess, very few GMs would tolerate MoBro being around to sour the troops. Might be why he is still here. Oh well... I don't know what to expect anymore, especially after hearing a few of McDuh's BS pressers. Carry on Bgwood... I'll be watching.

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Hallelujah Frank!! Happy to see you back my friend.

Sarver has a ton of issues and I would love for him to sell the team but I'm not sure how anyone can just brush off the blame on him and conveniently recuse McD and Hornacek from any. I love the Booker pick and I like the Warren selection. Everything else is a ? at best at this point. McD's biggest fail as GM may be his HC choice when he may have decided to get cute and go after a former fan favorite Sun in Jeff Hornacek.

And like others said, hope to see you posting more.


Ever occur to people that maybe, just maybe, pointlessly unnecessary negativity for no sensible reason is odd? Because bwgood hasn't said anything here leading me to believe he's got some blind belief your team is better than they are. He's pretty realistic and reasonable. On the other hand bashing everything about the organization seems like some bizarro vendetta. To be completely honest it seems like nearly trolling and like you just want to be sure other people are as miserable as possible when they read the board.



Maybe you should follow this team closer if you wanna come in and opine. Or give the benefit of the doubt to long time fans who have been putting up with the incompetent clowns that comprise this ownership/management.
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Re: Should Ryan Mcdonough be fired? 

Post#144 » by bondom34 » Fri Jan 1, 2016 2:16 am

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SF88 wrote:Hallelujah Frank!! Happy to see you back my friend.

As for the bolded, agreed. Especially for someone that's a moderator.

Sarver has a ton of issues and I would love for him to sell the team but I'm not sure how anyone can just brush off the blame on him and conveniently recuse McD and Hornacek from any. I love the Booker pick and I like the Warren selection. Everything else is a ? at best at this point. McD's biggest fail as GM may be his HC choice when he may have decided to get cute and go after a former fan favorite Sun in Jeff Hornacek.

And like others said, hope to see you posting more.


Ever occur to people that maybe, just maybe, pointlessly unnecessary negativity for no sensible reason is odd? Because bwgood hasn't said anything here leading me to believe he's got some blind belief your team is better than they are. He's pretty realistic and reasonable. On the other hand bashing everything about the organization seems like some bizarro vendetta. To be completely honest it seems like nearly trolling and like you just want to be sure other people are as miserable as possible when they read the board.



Maybe you should follow this team closer if you wanna come in and opine. Or give the benefit of the doubt to long time fans who have been putting up with the incompetent clowns that comprise this ownership/management.

I follow most teams quite a bit, though I will say you likely do closer than I. Having said that, being incredibly rude to people on here is one thing that I don't find necessary, and this was rude to bwgood. As well, I don't find incessant negativity really needed when its massively overdramatic.
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Re: Should Ryan Mcdonough be fired? 

Post#145 » by Revived » Fri Jan 1, 2016 5:16 am

saintEscaton wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
SF88 wrote:Hallelujah Frank!! Happy to see you back my friend.

As for the bolded, agreed. Especially for someone that's a moderator.

Sarver has a ton of issues and I would love for him to sell the team but I'm not sure how anyone can just brush off the blame on him and conveniently recuse McD and Hornacek from any. I love the Booker pick and I like the Warren selection. Everything else is a ? at best at this point. McD's biggest fail as GM may be his HC choice when he may have decided to get cute and go after a former fan favorite Sun in Jeff Hornacek.

And like others said, hope to see you posting more.


Ever occur to people that maybe, just maybe, pointlessly unnecessary negativity for no sensible reason is odd? Because bwgood hasn't said anything here leading me to believe he's got some blind belief your team is better than they are. He's pretty realistic and reasonable. On the other hand bashing everything about the organization seems like some bizarro vendetta. To be completely honest it seems like nearly trolling and like you just want to be sure other people are as miserable as possible when they read the board.



Maybe you should follow this team closer if you wanna come in and opine. Or give the benefit of the doubt to long time fans who have been putting up with the incompetent clowns that comprise this ownership/management.

Thanks, I was gonna say the same thing. If he's so mad about our negativity then maybe he should talk to the Suns and give us things to be positive about instead of 5 years of the mess we've had. Hey maybe give us Westbrook and Durant, promise none of us will be so negative anymore :D And bw may not think the team is better than they are but he certainly thinks Hornacek is better than he is. And if I'm "rude" to someone, it usually means they were the same way to me. I treat others the way I'm treated.

Not sure what a Thunder fan has so much interest in this team anyway. Oh how things have changed cause on the old Suns forum through their official site, I was accused of being a homer back before 2010 lol. I doubt bondom was keeping up with the Suns during Joe Johnson trade days. I doubt he was keeping up with the Suns when we were selling picks left and right. I doubt keeping up with the Suns when we were getting screwed by the refs in playoff series vs Spurs. Doubt he was here during the Shannon Brown, Michael Beasley days. I doubt he was here during the Lance Blanks days. Suns fans have waited nearly 50 years for a championship and endured through a lot during that wait including the amazing Steve Nash years where at least he made us relevant again.

A Thunder fan that has had Kevin Durant ever since the franchise relocated to OKC wouldn't really understand. Not to mention Presti is also one of the best in the business. I mean you can make a case that OKC fans are the most spoiled fans in the NBA, in the 7 years since the team started in OKC, even without a title yet they've done pretty damn well in every year except the first one. And once KD and Westbrook resign like their widely expected to, their gonna remain contenders for another 5 years. So that's 12 years of the Thunder being contenders since being in OKC.

Sorry to get off topic but like you said, if a Thunder fan's gonna come in here and try and accuse people of trolling and such then tread lightly. I've spent plenty of my hard earned money and time on this team so I certainly have the right to express my opinion positive or negative about this team. I'd hope none of our fans go on other team forums to blast their fans and call them trolls and such.
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Post#146 » by bondom34 » Fri Jan 1, 2016 5:22 am

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Ever occur to people that maybe, just maybe, pointlessly unnecessary negativity for no sensible reason is odd? Because bwgood hasn't said anything here leading me to believe he's got some blind belief your team is better than they are. He's pretty realistic and reasonable. On the other hand bashing everything about the organization seems like some bizarro vendetta. To be completely honest it seems like nearly trolling and like you just want to be sure other people are as miserable as possible when they read the board.



Maybe you should follow this team closer if you wanna come in and opine. Or give the benefit of the doubt to long time fans who have been putting up with the incompetent clowns that comprise this ownership/management.

Thanks, I was gonna say the same thing. If he's so mad about our negativity then maybe he should talk to the Suns and give us things to be positive about instead of 5 years of the mess we've had. Hey maybe give us Westbrook and Durant, promise none of us will be so negative anymore :D And bw may not think the team is better than they are but he certainly thinks Hornacek is better than he is. And if I'm "rude" to someone, it usually means they were the same way to me. I treat others the way I'm treated.

Not sure what a Thunder fan has so much interest in this team anyway. Oh how things have changed cause on the old Suns forum through their official site, I was accused of being a homer back before 2010 lol. I doubt bondom was here during Joe Johnson trade days. I doubt he was here when we were selling picks left and right. I doubt he was here when we were getting screwed by the refs in playoff series vs Spurs. Doubt he was here during the Shannon Brown, Michael Beasley days. I doubt he was here during the Lance Blanks days. Suns fans have waited nearly 50 years for a championship and endured through a lot during that wait including the amazing Steve Nash years where at least he made us relevant again.

A Thunder fan that has had Kevin Durant ever since the franchise relocated to OKC wouldn't really understand. Not to mention Presti is also one of the best in the business. I mean you can make a case that OKC fans are the most spoiled fans in the NBA, in the 7 years since the team started in OKC, even without a title yet they've done pretty damn well in every year except the first one. And once KD and Westbrook resign like their widely expected to, their gonna remain contenders for another 5 years. So that's 12 years of the Thunder being contenders since being in OKC.

Sorry to get off topic but like you said, if a Thunder fan's gonna come in here and try and accuse people of trolling and such then tread lightly. I've spent plenty of my hard earned money and time on this team so I certainly have the right to express my opinion positive or negative about this team. I'd hope none of our fans go on other team forums to blast their fans and call them trolls and such.

I'd be pretty damn happy Warren, Booker, and Len just went toe to toe with Durant, Westbrook, and Ibaka and nearly won. You've got a few fantastic young players, and I was flat out impressed.
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Post#147 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 1, 2016 5:40 am

SF88 wrote:
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bondom34 wrote:
Ever occur to people that maybe, just maybe, pointlessly unnecessary negativity for no sensible reason is odd? Because bwgood hasn't said anything here leading me to believe he's got some blind belief your team is better than they are. He's pretty realistic and reasonable. On the other hand bashing everything about the organization seems like some bizarro vendetta. To be completely honest it seems like nearly trolling and like you just want to be sure other people are as miserable as possible when they read the board.



Maybe you should follow this team closer if you wanna come in and opine. Or give the benefit of the doubt to long time fans who have been putting up with the incompetent clowns that comprise this ownership/management.

Thanks, I was gonna say the same thing. If he's so mad about our negativity then maybe he should talk to the Suns and give us things to be positive about instead of 5 years of the mess we've had. Hey maybe give us Westbrook and Durant, promise none of us will be so negative anymore :D And bw may not think the team is better than they are but he certainly thinks Hornacek is better than he is. And if I'm "rude" to someone, it usually means they were the same way to me. I treat others the way I'm treated.

Not sure what a Thunder fan has so much interest in this team anyway. Oh how things have changed cause on the old Suns forum through their official site, I was accused of being a homer back before 2010 lol. I doubt bondom was keeping up with the Suns during Joe Johnson trade days. I doubt he was keeping up with the Suns when we were selling picks left and right. I doubt keeping up with the Suns when we were getting screwed by the refs in playoff series vs Spurs. Doubt he was here during the Shannon Brown, Michael Beasley days. I doubt he was here during the Lance Blanks days. Suns fans have waited nearly 50 years for a championship and endured through a lot during that wait including the amazing Steve Nash years where at least he made us relevant again.

A Thunder fan that has had Kevin Durant ever since the franchise relocated to OKC wouldn't really understand. Not to mention Presti is also one of the best in the business. I mean you can make a case that OKC fans are the most spoiled fans in the NBA, in the 7 years since the team started in OKC, even without a title yet they've done pretty damn well in every year except the first one. And once KD and Westbrook resign like their widely expected to, their gonna remain contenders for another 5 years. So that's 12 years of the Thunder being contenders since being in OKC.

Sorry to get off topic but like you said, if a Thunder fan's gonna come in here and try and accuse people of trolling and such then tread lightly. I've spent plenty of my hard earned money and time on this team so I certainly have the right to express my opinion positive or negative about this team. I'd hope none of our fans go on other team forums to blast their fans and call them trolls and such.


Every new fan who came on conveniently during the time you did is a homer. Long time Suns fan ride the ups and downs. Suns fans are spoiled too, but the Suns fans who became fans during SSOL are being ridiculous often because they got excited about a great team, became a fan and became spoiled. An outsider giving encouragement about what he sees is taken as a negative? You want to troll anyone who gives our team a compliment?

Your trolling, baiting and the list goes on has been particularly impressive lately.
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Post#148 » by ATTL » Fri Jan 1, 2016 5:48 am

Well, Ryan hit in the last two drafts with warren and booker. I think he was trying to flip Ennis to the raptors but they didn't bite and we'll see how bogdan turns out soon.
He came in a little early to the Len draft.

I'd give him a couple more years to turn it around. He had to clean up after the earlier regime and I want some continuity with the team. All the roster turnover and front office turnover is not good.
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Post#149 » by Revived » Fri Jan 1, 2016 5:52 am

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Maybe you should follow this team closer if you wanna come in and opine. Or give the benefit of the doubt to long time fans who have been putting up with the incompetent clowns that comprise this ownership/management.

Thanks, I was gonna say the same thing. If he's so mad about our negativity then maybe he should talk to the Suns and give us things to be positive about instead of 5 years of the mess we've had. Hey maybe give us Westbrook and Durant, promise none of us will be so negative anymore :D And bw may not think the team is better than they are but he certainly thinks Hornacek is better than he is. And if I'm "rude" to someone, it usually means they were the same way to me. I treat others the way I'm treated.

Not sure what a Thunder fan has so much interest in this team anyway. Oh how things have changed cause on the old Suns forum through their official site, I was accused of being a homer back before 2010 lol. I doubt bondom was keeping up with the Suns during Joe Johnson trade days. I doubt he was keeping up with the Suns when we were selling picks left and right. I doubt keeping up with the Suns when we were getting screwed by the refs in playoff series vs Spurs. Doubt he was here during the Shannon Brown, Michael Beasley days. I doubt he was here during the Lance Blanks days. Suns fans have waited nearly 50 years for a championship and endured through a lot during that wait including the amazing Steve Nash years where at least he made us relevant again.

A Thunder fan that has had Kevin Durant ever since the franchise relocated to OKC wouldn't really understand. Not to mention Presti is also one of the best in the business. I mean you can make a case that OKC fans are the most spoiled fans in the NBA, in the 7 years since the team started in OKC, even without a title yet they've done pretty damn well in every year except the first one. And once KD and Westbrook resign like their widely expected to, their gonna remain contenders for another 5 years. So that's 12 years of the Thunder being contenders since being in OKC.

Sorry to get off topic but like you said, if a Thunder fan's gonna come in here and try and accuse people of trolling and such then tread lightly. I've spent plenty of my hard earned money and time on this team so I certainly have the right to express my opinion positive or negative about this team. I'd hope none of our fans go on other team forums to blast their fans and call them trolls and such.


Every new fan who came on conveniently during the time you did is a homer. Long time Suns fan ride the ups and downs. Suns fans are spoiled too, but the Suns fans who became fans during SSOL are being ridiculous often because they got excited about a great team, became a fan and became spoiled. An outsider giving encouragement about what he sees is taken as a negative? You want to troll anyone who gives our team a compliment?

Your trolling, baiting and the list goes on has been particularly impressive lately.

And you want to troll anyone who gives our team a criticism?

And when did I say anyone who came when I did is a homer?

If you think I'm trolling and baiting and all that stuff, then do your job as moderator and ban me. Just make sure you specify the troll and bait posts so that I know what to fix. Only thing I ask is that it be objective and everyone else who said the "baiting and trolling" posts that I did all get equal punishment because then we can see the activity on the board decrease in half and perhaps be more like Thunder forum.
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Post#150 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 1, 2016 6:06 am

SF88 wrote:
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SF88 wrote:Thanks, I was gonna say the same thing. If he's so mad about our negativity then maybe he should talk to the Suns and give us things to be positive about instead of 5 years of the mess we've had. Hey maybe give us Westbrook and Durant, promise none of us will be so negative anymore :D And bw may not think the team is better than they are but he certainly thinks Hornacek is better than he is. And if I'm "rude" to someone, it usually means they were the same way to me. I treat others the way I'm treated.

Not sure what a Thunder fan has so much interest in this team anyway. Oh how things have changed cause on the old Suns forum through their official site, I was accused of being a homer back before 2010 lol. I doubt bondom was keeping up with the Suns during Joe Johnson trade days. I doubt he was keeping up with the Suns when we were selling picks left and right. I doubt keeping up with the Suns when we were getting screwed by the refs in playoff series vs Spurs. Doubt he was here during the Shannon Brown, Michael Beasley days. I doubt he was here during the Lance Blanks days. Suns fans have waited nearly 50 years for a championship and endured through a lot during that wait including the amazing Steve Nash years where at least he made us relevant again.

A Thunder fan that has had Kevin Durant ever since the franchise relocated to OKC wouldn't really understand. Not to mention Presti is also one of the best in the business. I mean you can make a case that OKC fans are the most spoiled fans in the NBA, in the 7 years since the team started in OKC, even without a title yet they've done pretty damn well in every year except the first one. And once KD and Westbrook resign like their widely expected to, their gonna remain contenders for another 5 years. So that's 12 years of the Thunder being contenders since being in OKC.

Sorry to get off topic but like you said, if a Thunder fan's gonna come in here and try and accuse people of trolling and such then tread lightly. I've spent plenty of my hard earned money and time on this team so I certainly have the right to express my opinion positive or negative about this team. I'd hope none of our fans go on other team forums to blast their fans and call them trolls and such.


Every new fan who came on conveniently during the time you did is a homer. Long time Suns fan ride the ups and downs. Suns fans are spoiled too, but the Suns fans who became fans during SSOL are being ridiculous often because they got excited about a great team, became a fan and became spoiled. An outsider giving encouragement about what he sees is taken as a negative? You want to troll anyone who gives our team a compliment?

Your trolling, baiting and the list goes on has been particularly impressive lately.

And you want to troll anyone who gives our team a criticism?

And when did I say anyone who came when I did is a homer?

If you think I'm trolling and baiting and all that stuff, then do your job as moderator and ban me. Just make sure you specify the troll and bait posts so that I know what to fix. Only thing I ask is that it be objective and everyone else who said the "baiting and trolling" posts that I did all get equal punishment because then we can see the activity on the board decrease in half and perhaps be more like Thunder forum.


I'm pretty sure if you get banned this forum won't decrease in half. It would likely increase in activity. Feel free to And1 if anyone agrees with me. And if anyone thinks I troll, let me know, so I can fix that.
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Re: Should Ryan Mcdonough be fired? 

Post#151 » by Revived » Fri Jan 1, 2016 6:13 am

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Every new fan who came on conveniently during the time you did is a homer. Long time Suns fan ride the ups and downs. Suns fans are spoiled too, but the Suns fans who became fans during SSOL are being ridiculous often because they got excited about a great team, became a fan and became spoiled. An outsider giving encouragement about what he sees is taken as a negative? You want to troll anyone who gives our team a compliment?

Your trolling, baiting and the list goes on has been particularly impressive lately.

And you want to troll anyone who gives our team a criticism?

And when did I say anyone who came when I did is a homer?

If you think I'm trolling and baiting and all that stuff, then do your job as moderator and ban me. Just make sure you specify the troll and bait posts so that I know what to fix. Only thing I ask is that it be objective and everyone else who said the "baiting and trolling" posts that I did all get equal punishment because then we can see the activity on the board decrease in half and perhaps be more like Thunder forum.


I'm pretty sure if you get banned this forum won't decrease in half. It would likely increase in activity. Feel free to And1 if anyone agrees with me. And if anyone thinks I troll, let me know, so I can fix that.

Nope not talking about me getting banned and half the forum activity decreasing. I definitely don't think that highly of myself, I doubt anyone here comes to read my posts, I think most or everyone here comes to just discuss the Suns. I was talking about if you decided to ban all the posters who are so negative about the team and trust me bud, that's more than just me, then the activity would decrease in half.

And btw every team's forum thinks their fans are negative. Even the Thunder fans are complaining that their fans are negative (and they actually have one of the best records in the NBA) so perhaps someone should go there and ban all those trolls too! If fans of actual contenders and good teams are so negative then fans of teams like the Suns definitely have the right to be negative too.

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Re: Should Ryan Mcdonough be fired? 

Post#152 » by bondom34 » Fri Jan 1, 2016 6:17 am

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SF88 wrote:And you want to troll anyone who gives our team a criticism?

And when did I say anyone who came when I did is a homer?

If you think I'm trolling and baiting and all that stuff, then do your job as moderator and ban me. Just make sure you specify the troll and bait posts so that I know what to fix. Only thing I ask is that it be objective and everyone else who said the "baiting and trolling" posts that I did all get equal punishment because then we can see the activity on the board decrease in half and perhaps be more like Thunder forum.


I'm pretty sure if you get banned this forum won't decrease in half. It would likely increase in activity. Feel free to And1 if anyone agrees with me. And if anyone thinks I troll, let me know, so I can fix that.

Nope not talking about me getting banned and half the forum activity decreasing. Was speaking if you decided to ban all the posters who are so negative about the team and trust me bud, that's more than just me.

And btw every team's forum thinks their fans are negative. Even the Thunder fans are complaining that their fans are negative (and they actually have one of the best records in the NBA) so perhaps someone should go there and ban all those trolls too!

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Who's complaining about negativity? We all critique them yeah, but we realize that there's positives too, you've said nothing positive and continue to troll your own team's board. Hell you'd make me miserable around here if I had to deal with you all the time.
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Re: Should Ryan Mcdonough be fired? 

Post#153 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 1, 2016 6:20 am

SF88 wrote:Nope not talking about me getting banned and half the forum activity decreasing. I definitely don't think that highly of myself, I doubt anyone here comes to read my posts, I think most or everyone here comes to just discuss the Suns. I was talking about if you decided to ban all the posters who are so negative about the team and trust me bud, that's more than just me, then the activity would decrease in half.

And btw every team's forum thinks their fans are negative. Even the Thunder fans are complaining that their fans are negative (and they actually have one of the best records in the NBA) so perhaps someone should go there and ban all those trolls too! If fans of actual contenders and good teams are so negative then fans of teams like the Suns definitely have the right to be negative too.

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It's fine to be negative if you make quality posts like saintescaton and don't troll all over the place. Many of us right now are negative, and we can be negative, but when you bait, troll, the list is too long...you have been reported so many times I've lost count. I've tried to reason with you. Doesn't seem to work.
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Re: Should Ryan Mcdonough be fired? 

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Re: Should Ryan Mcdonough be fired? 

Post#155 » by DRK » Fri Jan 1, 2016 6:43 am

I have no problems with SF88's posts.
If people are reporting other posters for being negative, then really I have no words. People need to reconsider their priorities in life.
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Re: Should Ryan Mcdonough be fired? 

Post#156 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 1, 2016 6:52 am

DRK wrote:I have no problems with SF88's posts.
If people are reporting other posters for being negative, then really I have no words. People need to reconsider their priorities in life.


It's not for negativity, it's more for trolling and baiting. Some report, some put him on ignore, and others just say they need to take a break because it is nauseating reading his posts. I think some like democracy here.
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Re: Should Ryan Mcdonough be fired? 

Post#157 » by Qwigglez » Fri Jan 1, 2016 11:47 am

SF88 you are being excessively negative, and I wouldn't have any issue banning you if I were a mod because simply put, you aren't doing anything to benefit this forum. If you're gonna be negative then do so in a manner that displays some sort of optimism towards this team. You aren't doing anything except spewing hatred towards this team and if you feel this strongly about the Suns organization perhaps you should be a fan of a different organization.
Do I agree with everything that McD and/or Sarver are doing? Absolutely not, but I'm not spitting hot venom on this forum that makes other Suns fans leave.You aren't adding much and you appear to just troll this board now a days. Like Momma use to say if you have nothing good to say then don't say nothing at all.
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Re: Should Ryan Mcdonough be fired? 

Post#158 » by Frank Lee » Fri Jan 1, 2016 5:21 pm

Hmmm... is it trolling to use journalists as the bait ? Mwahhaha

from Gambo

The Phoenix Suns have issues, major issues — that is the understatement of the year.

At 12-20 this season is a train wreck and with Eric Bledsoe now out for the season it is likely going to get worse. The Suns have a lot of work to do to win back the fans and become respectable once again, but that is easier said than done.

What Phoenix first needs to do is to identify what is the cause of the problems? What are the real issues? Why are the Suns one of the worst teams in the NBA and headed to the draft lottery again? Why are they such a dysfunctional organization?

It’s not an easy thing to figure out, but a necessity in order to get this thing headed in the right direction. When last season ended, the Suns’ management and ownership identified the problem as a lack of leadership. Too many young guys on the roster and not enough veteran leadership to guide the younger players through the grind of 82 games.

So Phoenix addressed that issue by bringing in Tyson Chandler, Ronnie Price, Sonny Weems, Mirza Teletovic and Jon Leuer. And what did the effect of having veterans in the clubhouse do for this team?

NOTHING.

After losing to lowly Philadelphia, the Suns decided that the answer to fixing things is ridding themselves of some of their assistant coaches. They fired two respected coaches who both have championship rings. Jerry Sichting and Mike Longabardi are out in a bench shakeup. I guess it was their fault that the Suns weren’t winning. But you have to blame someone for this season, so let’s start with those two guys. Longabardi was a coach on the Celtics 2008 NBA Championship team and Sichting was a player on the Celtics 1985-86 title team. Both had tons of experience and success in the coaching ranks.

Maybe these moves were made to give Earl Watson a chance to be at the front of the bench. OK, I can live with that as Watson has a lot of potential to be a good coach. Maybe rumblings I had heard that both assistant coaches were positioning themselves to replace head coach Jeff Hornacek if the axe were to fall and didn’t have his best interests at heart were true. I can live with that if that is the case.

But let’s make one thing certain here, the Phoenix Suns are losing games this year because they don’t have enough talent. Yes, it is that simple. No, it’s not the coaching nor is it the leadership in the clubhouse. That was so overrated it was ridiculous. And while Markieff Morris continues to be a problem, they are not 12-20 because of him. Yes Suns management made a huge mistake when they elected not to trade him in the offseason despite all the information I was providing to the public and the Suns about how this was going to go down. All of that information has proven true.

Morris doesn’t want to be here and the Suns are actively shopping him and P.J. Tucker in an effort to create more opportunities for other players. But there is so little value for Morris that all I am hearing they can do is get off the contract. Some teams don’t want Markieff for FREE. You read that correctly. They would rather preserve cap space and not add three years of salary. Most teams have similar players as Morris is nothing special — just an average basketball player when he is on his game.

The Suns have made lot of mistakes lately. Trading the Lakers’ first-round draft pick in the deal for Brandon Knight and then paying Knight close to max money. If we are being perfectly honest, Isaiah Thomas is a better player than Knight and he comes at a fraction of the price. Speaking of Thomas, signing him and trying to keep three point guards happy was a huge mistake that resulted in Goran Dragic demanding a trade.

Signing Tyson Chandler to a four-year, $52 million contract when he is nothing more than a bench/role player at this point in his career was a mistake especially considering Alex Len was a better player at the time of the signing. Getting Chandler only made sense if they had gotten LaMarcus Aldridge. Keeping Markieff Morris in the summer, fall and now winter. Jerry Colangelo traded Robert Horry a few days after he threw a towel at then head coach Danny Ainge. The Suns suspended Morris two games for the same infraction. Those are just a few. And let’s not forget that the Suns followed up the loss of Amar’e Stoudemire a few years back with Hedo Turkoglu, Hakim Warrick and Josh Childress. Mistake, mistake, mistake. Getting rid of Stoudemire wasn’t wrong, but adding those three was.

The draft picks recently have been good — Len, T.J. Warren and Devin Booker were good picks by general manager Ryan McDonough. Those three guys are solid young players to build with, so McDonough has an eye for talent in the draft. It has been his strong point in what he brings to the table. Managing media, owners, coaches and players is what he needs to work on but he is young, and it will be up to owner Robert Sarver to determine if he is the right guy going forward to fix this. Jeff Hornacek has made his share of mistakes but he is not the problem here. Hornacek had no chance with this mess. He was almost Coach of the Year two years ago and now he can’t coach? Please. Hornacek knows what it takes to win, but he doesn’t have the tools in the toolbox.

The Suns need players. Better players than what they have. How they go about getting those players is up to them to figure out. But the Suns need to stop overvaluing their own players. The vast majority of them are nothing special and not worth the money they are being paid. Some of them have taken the money and decided they don’t want to roll up their sleeves anymore, especially on the defensive end. And please stop with all the analytic stuff — it doesn’t reflect heart and attitude.

There is a time and place to make changes. But no matter how many changes the Suns organization makes, they won’t win consistently until they get more talent on the court.
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Re: Should Ryan Mcdonough be fired? 

Post#159 » by NavLDO » Fri Jan 1, 2016 6:00 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Hmmm... is it trolling to use journalists as the bait ? Mwahhaha

from Gambo

The Phoenix Suns have issues, major issues — that is the understatement of the year.

At 12-20 this season is a train wreck and with Eric Bledsoe now out for the season it is likely going to get worse. The Suns have a lot of work to do to win back the fans and become respectable once again, but that is easier said than done.

What Phoenix first needs to do is to identify what is the cause of the problems? What are the real issues? Why are the Suns one of the worst teams in the NBA and headed to the draft lottery again? Why are they such a dysfunctional organization?

It’s not an easy thing to figure out, but a necessity in order to get this thing headed in the right direction. When last season ended, the Suns’ management and ownership identified the problem as a lack of leadership. Too many young guys on the roster and not enough veteran leadership to guide the younger players through the grind of 82 games.

So Phoenix addressed that issue by bringing in Tyson Chandler, Ronnie Price, Sonny Weems, Mirza Teletovic and Jon Leuer. And what did the effect of having veterans in the clubhouse do for this team?

NOTHING.

After losing to lowly Philadelphia, the Suns decided that the answer to fixing things is ridding themselves of some of their assistant coaches. They fired two respected coaches who both have championship rings. Jerry Sichting and Mike Longabardi are out in a bench shakeup. I guess it was their fault that the Suns weren’t winning. But you have to blame someone for this season, so let’s start with those two guys. Longabardi was a coach on the Celtics 2008 NBA Championship team and Sichting was a player on the Celtics 1985-86 title team. Both had tons of experience and success in the coaching ranks.

Maybe these moves were made to give Earl Watson a chance to be at the front of the bench. OK, I can live with that as Watson has a lot of potential to be a good coach. Maybe rumblings I had heard that both assistant coaches were positioning themselves to replace head coach Jeff Hornacek if the axe were to fall and didn’t have his best interests at heart were true. I can live with that if that is the case.

But let’s make one thing certain here, the Phoenix Suns are losing games this year because they don’t have enough talent. Yes, it is that simple. No, it’s not the coaching nor is it the leadership in the clubhouse. That was so overrated it was ridiculous. And while Markieff Morris continues to be a problem, they are not 12-20 because of him. Yes Suns management made a huge mistake when they elected not to trade him in the offseason despite all the information I was providing to the public and the Suns about how this was going to go down. All of that information has proven true.

Morris doesn’t want to be here and the Suns are actively shopping him and P.J. Tucker in an effort to create more opportunities for other players. But there is so little value for Morris that all I am hearing they can do is get off the contract. Some teams don’t want Markieff for FREE. You read that correctly. They would rather preserve cap space and not add three years of salary. Most teams have similar players as Morris is nothing special — just an average basketball player when he is on his game.

The Suns have made lot of mistakes lately. Trading the Lakers’ first-round draft pick in the deal for Brandon Knight and then paying Knight close to max money. If we are being perfectly honest, Isaiah Thomas is a better player than Knight and he comes at a fraction of the price. Speaking of Thomas, signing him and trying to keep three point guards happy was a huge mistake that resulted in Goran Dragic demanding a trade.

Signing Tyson Chandler to a four-year, $52 million contract when he is nothing more than a bench/role player at this point in his career was a mistake especially considering Alex Len was a better player at the time of the signing. Getting Chandler only made sense if they had gotten LaMarcus Aldridge. Keeping Markieff Morris in the summer, fall and now winter. Jerry Colangelo traded Robert Horry a few days after he threw a towel at then head coach Danny Ainge. The Suns suspended Morris two games for the same infraction. Those are just a few. And let’s not forget that the Suns followed up the loss of Amar’e Stoudemire a few years back with Hedo Turkoglu, Hakim Warrick and Josh Childress. Mistake, mistake, mistake. Getting rid of Stoudemire wasn’t wrong, but adding those three was.

The draft picks recently have been good — Len, T.J. Warren and Devin Booker were good picks by general manager Ryan McDonough. Those three guys are solid young players to build with, so McDonough has an eye for talent in the draft. It has been his strong point in what he brings to the table. Managing media, owners, coaches and players is what he needs to work on but he is young, and it will be up to owner Robert Sarver to determine if he is the right guy going forward to fix this. Jeff Hornacek has made his share of mistakes but he is not the problem here. Hornacek had no chance with this mess. He was almost Coach of the Year two years ago and now he can’t coach? Please. Hornacek knows what it takes to win, but he doesn’t have the tools in the toolbox.

The Suns need players. Better players than what they have. How they go about getting those players is up to them to figure out. But the Suns need to stop overvaluing their own players. The vast majority of them are nothing special and not worth the money they are being paid. Some of them have taken the money and decided they don’t want to roll up their sleeves anymore, especially on the defensive end. And please stop with all the analytic stuff — it doesn’t reflect heart and attitude.

There is a time and place to make changes. But no matter how many changes the Suns organization makes, they won’t win consistently until they get more talent on the court.


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Naw, but I do find it interesting that Gambo fully supports McD (well, at least his eye for talent), and Horny, but is pretty much taking Sarver to task in that article. Aren't they supposed to be buddy-buddy?

I disagree that trading the Laker's pick for Knight was a poor decision. Knight is still barely 24 YO; he's not BAD, he's just inconsistent. And Dragic? I'm glad he's gone, and said as much in a different post. He got what he wanted, and is the starting PG and is sporting a 13 PER, yet we somehow overpaid Knight? If any Guard got 'almost' the max, it was Dragic. Let's see...

...a declining 29 YO for $17M per...

...a developing 24 YO for 13M per...

Dragic is garbage at this point, and he fooled everyone. But it's like I said last year, it's not on anyone else but himself. He was blaming everyone and their mother for his declining play, and he got fans and media sucked right in to his little fable, when the reality was what it was--he just isn't as good as he used to be, and the '13 season was an anomaly, yet that's the season he got paid for. He didn't improve a lick after going to Miami last year, and of course, it was because he had to learn a new system and set of players, right? Sorry, but even I fell into that thought process, but in the NBA, it's not like the NFL where you only get to play a game every week, and it does take time to learn new systems/playbooks/teammates--not so much in the NBA. If the player doesn't/can't figure it out in 30 games, shame on him. Knight has had plenty of time to 'adjust'; his issues are no longer learning a new team. His issues are being young or not being good--one of the two, and if he doesn't make marked improvement by end of the season, then I'll jump on the "Knight Stinks" bandwagon.

But back to Dragic. His agent did a heck of a job is all I've got to say on that! And yes, we overpaid for a declining C in Chandler, but we paid $4M less for bout the same result. So, does that mean Pat Riley needs to be fired, since so many fans want McD fired for his mismanagement of the team? Just curious...and not directed a you personally, Frank...
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Re: Should Ryan Mcdonough be fired? 

Post#160 » by RunDogGun » Fri Jan 1, 2016 6:24 pm

We aren't lacking talent, we are lacking consistency. Once Markieff is moved, I'd like to see how the team plays.

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