Brandon Knight Needs to be Traded ASAP

[rsavaj]

76ers could use a high character guy like him, locked up long-term and he'd give their team some much needed scoring.

Though they got Ish Smith for dirt cheap and he's been killing it and playing superbly with Noel.

I keep trying to figure out if there's a way to get Hinikie drunk enough to start talking about a Knight/Goodwin for Noel thing. I wish trade override was a thing in real life.

[AtheJ415]

Which teams are in the market for a scoring guard that is trending downwards, takes dumb shots, and can't lead a team efficiently?
I'd love to flip knight or bledsoe to get Payton from the magic but I don't think that's possible.

[AtheJ415]

76ers could use a high character guy like him, locked up long-term and he'd give their team some much needed scoring.

Though they got Ish Smith for dirt cheap and he's been killing it and playing superbly with Noel.

I keep trying to figure out if there's a way to get Hinikie drunk enough to start talking about a Knight/Goodwin for Noel thing. I wish trade override was a thing in real life.

Nerlens Noel's knees will not hold up according to our medical staff. He should be removed from all targets. I'd rather trade for Embiid.

[kennydorglas]

76ers could use a high character guy like him, locked up long-term and he'd give their team some much needed scoring.

Though they got Ish Smith for dirt cheap and he's been killing it and playing superbly with Noel.

I keep trying to figure out if there's a way to get Hinikie drunk enough to start talking about a Knight/Goodwin for Noel thing. I wish trade override was a thing in real life.

Nerlens Noel's knees will not hold up according to our medical staff. He should be removed from all targets. I'd rather trade for Embiid.

This is some new info for me.
I thought no one outside of the top3 were allowed to see his medical exams.

[Saberestar]

I keep trying to figure out if there's a way to get Hinikie drunk enough to start talking about a Knight/Goodwin for Noel thing. I wish trade override was a thing in real life.

Nerlens Noel's knees will not hold up according to our medical staff. He should be removed from all targets. I'd rather trade for Embiid.

This is some new info for me.
I thought no one outside of the top3 were allowed to see his medical exams.

This is true. We were not allowed to see his medical exams.

It is not that we saw big problems in his medical exams...we did not see anything.

[RaisingArizona]

Well,we can't till Jan. 15. Also, what's the rush? Is he turning 30 tomorrow or something?

[NavLDO]

He's not a bad player...he just has a lot of bad habits that end up negating his effectiveness.

I agree, but I also think he's shown a willingness to pass that I haven't seen from Bledsoe. I like the threat that his outside shooting gives us - one of the best 3 point shooters at the PG spot in the league. I'm hopeful that playing with Booker and TJ will decrease his turnovers as he's not having to force as much on offense. He's right that he's not an SG - he's a PG, both offensively and defensively.

For as much as I love our college scouting, I'm not nearly as confident in our NBA scouting - why we thought we could start Knight at SG I'll never know.

I think overall, he might end up the 'smarter' and more 'efficient' player, and better shooter, but he'll never be the defender, or driver Bledsoe is. Right now, though, he's just not playing smart, and is incredibly inconsistent.

If you were to ask me today, which one I'd rather move forward with, I'd probably say Knight. Problem is, you know what you are getting with Bledsoe right now, whereas Knight, we don't. The whole 'devil you know, devil you don't know' question. And Knight does have a bit more length, though Bledsoe is longer than your standard 6'1" PG, so either, or neither, are ok in that respect for a PG, but I agree that playing both at the same time is not optimal, and would love to see more of the Knight/Booker backcourt develop together. I know many feel Knight is a better 2 than 1, but if that's the case, then I'd rather keep Bledsoe, so that we can keep Booker on the court more often.

[GMATCallahan]

He's not a bad player...he just has a lot of bad habits that end up negating his effectiveness.

I agree, but I also think he's shown a willingness to pass that I haven't seen from Bledsoe. I like the threat that his outside shooting gives us - one of the best 3 point shooters at the PG spot in the league. I'm hopeful that playing with Booker and TJ will decrease his turnovers as he's not having to force as much on offense. He's right that he's not an SG - he's a PG, both offensively and defensively.

For as much as I love our college scouting, I'm not nearly as confident in our NBA scouting - why we thought we could start Knight at SG I'll never know.

I do not consider Knight much of a "point guard" from an offensive perspective (nor did Jason Kidd, evidently)—but the designation does not really matter. There are no discrete positions in basketball, and what is important is that Knight become the best "guard" that he can be. (Stephen Curry and Russell Westbrook are not true point guards, either, but they are elite players.)

I would not be in a rush to trade Knight, especially at a time when his value may be less than ideal. I would give him the rest of this season to try and develop his efficiency and decision-making under Hornacek's tutelage and without Bledsoe around to suppress his opportunities.

The Suns can win with Knight—and Bledsoe—but only if they find a facilitating, multidimensional forward such as Draymond Green or a young Boris Diaw. Otherwise, do not expect any significant team success with Knight, Bledsoe, or both of them.

[GMATCallahan]

He's not a bad player...he just has a lot of bad habits that end up negating his effectiveness.

I agree, but I also think he's shown a willingness to pass that I haven't seen from Bledsoe. I like the threat that his outside shooting gives us - one of the best 3 point shooters at the PG spot in the league. I'm hopeful that playing with Booker and TJ will decrease his turnovers as he's not having to force as much on offense. He's right that he's not an SG - he's a PG, both offensively and defensively.

For as much as I love our college scouting, I'm not nearly as confident in our NBA scouting - why we thought we could start Knight at SG I'll never know.

I think overall, he might end up the 'smarter' and more 'efficient' player, and better shooter, but he'll never be the defender, or driver Bledsoe is. Right now, though, he's just not playing smart, and is incredibly inconsistent.

If you were to ask me today, which one I'd rather move forward with, I'd probably say Knight. Problem is, you know what you are getting with Bledsoe right now, whereas Knight, we don't. The whole 'devil you know, devil you don't know' question. And Knight does have a bit more length, though Bledsoe is longer than your standard 6'1" PG, so either, or neither, are ok in that respect for a PG, but I agree that playing both at the same time is not optimal, and would love to see more of the Knight/Booker backcourt develop together. I know many feel Knight is a better 2 than 1, but if that's the case, then I'd rather keep Bledsoe, so that we can keep Booker on the court more often.

The reason why one might considering moving forward with Knight instead of Bledsoe, in my opinion, is the latter's knees, combined with the fact that he is two years older.

I doubt that Knight will end up being more efficient than Bledsoe or that either guard will advance much further than where he is now. More or less, they "are what they are." If they can become more refined versions of themselves, though, and if the Suns can acquire a multidimensional forward with excellent passing ability, Phoenix can become a respectable club with them. If not, then you might as well try to win a championship with a young Stephon Marbury—who, incidentally, constituted a much better playmaker than either Bledsoe or Knight.

[NavLDO]

I agree, but I also think he's shown a willingness to pass that I haven't seen from Bledsoe. I like the threat that his outside shooting gives us - one of the best 3 point shooters at the PG spot in the league. I'm hopeful that playing with Booker and TJ will decrease his turnovers as he's not having to force as much on offense. He's right that he's not an SG - he's a PG, both offensively and defensively.

For as much as I love our college scouting, I'm not nearly as confident in our NBA scouting - why we thought we could start Knight at SG I'll never know.

I think overall, he might end up the 'smarter' and more 'efficient' player, and better shooter, but he'll never be the defender, or driver Bledsoe is. Right now, though, he's just not playing smart, and is incredibly inconsistent.

If you were to ask me today, which one I'd rather move forward with, I'd probably say Knight. Problem is, you know what you are getting with Bledsoe right now, whereas Knight, we don't. The whole 'devil you know, devil you don't know' question. And Knight does have a bit more length, though Bledsoe is longer than your standard 6'1" PG, so either, or neither, are ok in that respect for a PG, but I agree that playing both at the same time is not optimal, and would love to see more of the Knight/Booker backcourt develop together. I know many feel Knight is a better 2 than 1, but if that's the case, then I'd rather keep Bledsoe, so that we can keep Booker on the court more often.

The reason why one might considering moving forward with Knight instead of Bledsoe, in my opinion, is the latter's knees, combined with the fact that he is two years older.

I doubt that Knight will end up being more efficient than Bledsoe or that either guard will advance much further than where he is now. More or less, they "are what they are." If they can become more refined versions of themselves, though, and if the Suns can acquire a multidimensional forward with excellent passing ability, Phoenix can become a respectable club with them. If not, then you might as well try to win a championship with a young Stephon Marbury—who, incidentally, constituted a much better playmaker than either Bledsoe or Knight.

I honestly believe Warren can be that multidimensional SF, and unless we get a better option in the next month, Leuer, if given the time and patience, may be able to perform that as a 'poor-man's version of [insert name here]'.

But if we want to compete, we are going to need an upgrade at PF, I believe. And yes, this is 'box-score scouting', but a 6'10", 240 averaging a per36, 15.5/10 stat line (true: 9/6 stat line on 21 minutes) and EFG .551 and 3PT of 43.3%, is not a bad 'filler' until such time we can get that 'star'.

[Frank Lee]

doesn't a 70 mill payday suggest a player is near their prime ? All this talk of knight is about how , given time, he will improve. Become a better basket ball player... be less boneheaded.

was he essentially paid based on potential ? I think he needed to prove himself before being rewarded with such a chunky check. Seeing what you have seen... isn't he more of a $6-7 million man?

[saintEscaton]

The face of our franchise

[jcsunsfan]

He's not a bad player...he just has a lot of bad habits that end up negating his effectiveness.

I agree, but I also think he's shown a willingness to pass that I haven't seen from Bledsoe. I like the threat that his outside shooting gives us - one of the best 3 point shooters at the PG spot in the league. I'm hopeful that playing with Booker and TJ will decrease his turnovers as he's not having to force as much on offense. He's right that he's not an SG - he's a PG, both offensively and defensively.

For as much as I love our college scouting, I'm not nearly as confident in our NBA scouting - why we thought we could start Knight at SG I'll never know.

I do not consider Knight much of a "point guard" from an offensive perspective (nor did Jason Kidd, evidently)—but the designation does not really matter. There are no discrete positions in basketball, and what is important is that Knight become the best "guard" that he can be. (Stephen Curry and Russell Westbrook are not true point guards, either, but they are elite players.)

I would not be in a rush to trade Knight, especially at a time when his value may be less than ideal. I would give him the rest of this season to try and develop his efficiency and decision-making under Hornacek's tutelage and without Bledsoe around to suppress his opportunities.

The Suns can win with Knight—and Bledsoe—but only if they find a facilitating, multidimensional forward such as Draymond Green or a young Boris Diaw. Otherwise, do not expect any significant team success with Knight, Bledsoe, or both of them.

Or Ben Simmons?


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[AtheJ415]

doesn't a 70 mill payday suggest a player is near their prime ? All this talk of knight is about how , given time, he will improve. Become a better basket ball player... be less boneheaded.

was he essentially paid based on potential ? I think he needed to prove himself before being rewarded with such a chunky check. Seeing what you have seen... isn't he more of a $6-7 million man?

Unless you've been under a rock as far as following the NBA is concerned, I'm not sure how you could ask this question. Players get paid based off of a combination of current play and potential. That is how it's always worked. So no, a big contract doesn't mean you're near your prime, particularly when you're 24, and no, a guy putting up numbers that have been done by 3 other guys in the past 5 years at age 24 is not worth $6-7 million. That's just trolling. You can hate Knight all you want, but that's absolutely absurd.

[RaisingArizona]

Still putting up way better numbers than Dragic for less money and a half decade younger. I don't get the hate. No, he's not perfect, but neither was the "chosen one".

[DirtyDez]

Knight would be an excellent 6th man for a contender out there but what kind of valuable asset would that team have?

a) Their first round pick would be in the mid-late 20's
b) Giving up any kind of real talent defeats the purpose of them acquiring BK to make them better
c) Can McD admit the move isn't working out and flip him for less than he gave?

As we're learning if BK is your best player you're going nowhere. You gotta flip him, get a little worse in the short term and shoot for a backcourt next year of healthy EB and stronger DB. If we could get a top-5 pick there's some project PF prospects I'm willing to be patient with but all 5 starting positions of the future could be set.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Hope he puts up 25 shots today.

[Frank Lee]

I guess I am absurd to think there might be more of a market value approach associated with paying a guy. My bad. Thanks for clearing it up. Doesn't really matter as it is done and over with.

Now I am sure his 70 mill deal will not be a hinderance in moving him.

Hey wait... why are we even discussing this ? Oh yeah... his play prompted the topic. But his come on look at his stats....

Be a true fan... and acknowledge after about 26 mill into this, it is a certainty he'll be an almost all star again.


Seriously... the only problem with his contract is if he doesn't play up to it. Right now, I think he owes us about 3 million.



And please... quit bring up Dragic to justify 70 mill to Knight. The two have virtually nothing to do with each other. One's a point guard and the other is.....

[MrMiyagi]

I swear, everyone's complaints of Knight are being amplified by not really watching the rest of the league - as in sitting down and watching multiple full games of a team/player. Everyone is really making their opinions on highlights and lowlights in order to assert untrue claims. Every player has their problems, not just Knight.

Don't believe me? Here's the spectacular Klay Thompson, a guy everyone would probably trade Knight for hands down. Guess what happens when Steph isn't there?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As1x66KPhsM[/youtube]

But that's fine, Klay isn't a great ball-handler or passer, he's more of a shooter and no one is a better shooter than Klay except Steph. Fine. Is that what this whole thing with Knight is about? Not being clear-cut #1 at some skill? Because he's pretty good at a lot of things - dare I say some more than Klay - but we don't want pretty good at a lot of things, we want excellent at 1.

[saintEscaton]

I swear, everyone's complaints of Knight are being amplified by not really watching the rest of the league - as in sitting down and watching multiple full games of a team/player. Everyone is really making their opinions on highlights and lowlights in order to assert untrue claims. Every player has their problems, not just Knight.

Don't believe me? Here's the spectacular Klay Thompson, a guy everyone would probably trade Knight for hands down. Guess what happens when Steph isn't there?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As1x66KPhsM[/youtube]

But that's fine, Klay isn't a great ball-handler or passer, he's more of a shooter and no one is a better shooter than Klay except Steph. Fine. Is that what this whole thing with Knight is about? Not being clear-cut #1 at some skill? Because he's pretty good at a lot of things - dare I say some more than Klay - but we don't want pretty good at a lot of things, we want excellent at 1.

Infallible reasoning. A+. If Knight maybe grew another 4 inches overnight to be a prototypical SG, could learn to guard his own shadow and became an elite marksmen from beyond the mark (over 40%) on a expanded clip then maybe you have an argument