Trade Idea Thread II

[Ranma]

great news! but wrong forum brother.

Whoops! That's what I get for posting 1st thing once out of bed this lazy Saturday afternoon.

[Ranma]

By the way, I couldn't delete the erroneous post, so I just edited it to include Clippers Spirit images in place of the tweets for those who are interested.

[Captain Ballmer]

Pekovic is the least player doc would show any interest. Besides the huge salary, he's slower than Hawes, awful shooter, would be very bad in the new defensive scheme and probably worst athlete in the league by far. Only strong play he has is the half-efficent post play which is a huge ball stopper gap in today's basketball. He is gonna be out of the league as soon as his contract finishes.

Pek is a nice player, but yeah I don't see him fit our system. hell the guys we have right now doesn't seem to fit the system and those guys were specifically signed because of Doc's system.

which brings me to the actual problem we all have known now... is Doc the GM worse than Doc the talent evaluator or visa versa? on paper Josh looks like a good small ball center, but didn't work out. Hawes looked like a good spacer on the floor, but didn't work out. gave away a first to get rid of Jered that was a piece of the bigger puzzle that obviously ended up lessening our return for Bledsoe trade, I mean, hindsight is always 20/20 but doesn't it seem like Doc doesn't really know what type of players actually fits his system? or his system just a result of his assistants at that time a la Mark Jackson? I do think Doc is a good play calling coach out of time outs so he is at least better than Jackson, but way too many misses than hits for my taste. I miss coaches who can alter their systems to maximize the talent they are given.

I agree with that. Doc is living day to day, thinking day to day, coaching day to day. This is the main reason he shipped Bledsoe(far away from being compotent of champion teams 6th man) for Redick(instant plus offence shooter guy in his prime). He isn't even looking for future assets, young guys to develop, waiting for them with patience to get minutes for growing. He turns his head to the bench to see what he can get from those guys NOW! finds a guy he can draw an X's, O's. than waiting for them to execute, if it fails like it did with Lance or Josh or Dudley or Hawes he just removes them on his favorites list and puts them to the doghouse.

This, lack of long term planning, strategy is the thing no manager does at all. No GM can survive on today's NBA. That's the thing why GM and Headcoaching duties are seperates from each other. One should try to save the day while other one tries to save the seasons.

I don't know what Clips do from here but If we fail to close our weakness by taking advantage of upcoming salary cap raise, I'm in fear that our star players prime will be closed sooner than we expected with nothing on hand.

[Neddy]

I say Doc should be on a short leash and this season should determine who he is as a front office material, and if he can't take being relagated to as a head coach only, he will have to go. whether we keep him as the HC or not, the GM Doc needs to go unless we at least make it to the conference final.

[og15]

I'll throw out two, three names, not actually convinced that they are good fits, but just some thoughts.

Kevin Martin - Play a role similar to the one he played off the bench for OKC. He's efficient in that role, and he's a guy who can score at a good rate, and can be used off pin down action and running off screens. Negative is that he is not much of a defender or all-round player, kinda like Jamal, but in that comparison he is generally more efficient and he is younger. He would obviously only make sense if Jamal was going out and he's taking his place. Can't imagine playing both of them together somehow.

Gerald Henderson - Last three seasons, 42% from corner 3PT, Portland has him taking 4.1 3PA/36, double what he was doing in Charlotte. Due to Charlotte's lack of offense, he had to be more of an option than most good teams would probably have him. Good mid-range shooter and can also work off screens. Only 6'5 but has great length, and can guard the 1, 2 and 3. Above average defender who has a bit more offensive scoring skill than the other Clipper lengthy defensive guys. Low volume 3PT and lack of getting to the line has made him inefficient for his career. Can he be a more efficient role player, especially if you can make him shoot more corner 3's? Only signed for one season, and Clippers might want to get players who are signed for multiple seasons (if they like the player).

In terms of who to trade. Portland doesn't care for Jamal from their past experience, and they don't need him anyways. Maybe if it was three teams, something could be figured out. Wolves also don't really care, but if they want to save the extra year (PO) then for them it could make sense.

Probably thrown this one out before, but again, I'll throw out Brandon Bass and his $3 million contract on the Lakers. He would be great at PF off the bench, even okay enough as a small ball C, but that would have to displace one of the bench guys depending on who would theoritically be going out for him.

Combining with the previous conversations, the idea would be to figure out a way to bring back Jarrett Jack and Brandon Bass while sending out Jamal, Wilcox and Josh

[QRich3]

Jack just got hurt this morning int the Boston game and it didn't look great, so depending on the outcome of the MRI that idea might have to be put on hold :/

Martin I wouldn't like at all. I'd like Henderson, but I don't see a way to make it happen with just Jamal and Smith, even with a third team involved.

Bass would be cool, he seems a step slower from last year but I'd be ok with him if we didn't have to give away anything more than Crawford/Smith/Rivers and one of the young guys. Although I don't really see the Lakers doing it either.

One guy I'd like is Brendan Wright, he's sort of a poor man's DJ on offense, so he'd fit right in. It'd also take more than our leftovers to get him, but I'd be ok trading a protected pick or the Nets 2nd this year. He's gonna be injured for a while but that's the thing that'll make him gettable, and the Grizzlies are one of the only teams that may see some value left in Jamal.

[og15]

Didn't know Jack got hurt, that sucks...

Agreed about not being sure how a Henderson trade works out, him being an expiring takes out the one less year incentive.

Can't say I'm a big fan of Kmart, and he has an extra year on Jamal.

I've kind of given up the idea that Austin goes out in any trade, lol. Maybe a 2nd and some filler to the Lakers? Or work with the Nets and Bogdanovic goes to the Lakers while the Nets get the Clippers 2nd.

Wright is certainly a guy I've always liked as a possible backup big on this team, and he has a friendly contract. According to bbref, he was supposed to miss another 6-8 weeks back on Nov 8th, so he could / should be back at the end of this month, that would be 12 weeks. 8 weeks is Monday.

[nickhx2]

yeah i wanted wright in the offseason but he proved to be too much. i also do agree that they've probably changed gears and would be more likely to swap him out for some long range shooting.

does it mean they'd want jamal? i doubt it, because even though i think john hollinger is a fraud, even a rudimentary grasp of analytics would tell you that crawford would kill their offensive efficiency.

i'm also not sure about doc getting aldrich/wright/pierce on the floor together all at once because i'd have a great fear that he'd stick cole to the end again; he just wants so desperately to make small ball work. if he was willing to just let pierce be the 2nd unit SF and play aldrich/wright simultaneously i'd say yeah 100%. (though, let's be honest, if it got jamal out of here i'd do it no matter who he doghouses).

[Quake Griffin]

The Suns gotta be having a firesale soon right?

[nickhx2]

i think at the least they should move chandler/morris and reboot.

[og15]

Yea, they are likely to have a firesale, PJ Tucker is a nice one there

[mattd13]

I agree the suns are in trouble and the coach is going to go soon. if I was doc I would look at them and try to find someone who could help. with Bledsoe out they might like jamal, lance, or josh. at this point I do not see doc trading Austin for Durant or anyone!!

[og15]

Well, like QRich thought, so much for the Jarrett Jack idea, torn ACL, out for the season.

[nickhx2]

oh that's too bad for him. i thought it was just a sprain. never a good thing to lose a guy to an acl injury.

[og15]

Yea, sucks, and he's not a young guy either, so even worse

[Wammy Giveaway]

It seems that every time a trade idea is proposed for the Clippers, whether it's fan based or from the front office, the players in question end up getting injured. The only one I remember was the Clipper's interest in Iman Shumpert prior to the trade deadline in the 2013-14 season, until he got injured. Jarrett Jack was proposed in the forum, and now he's out for the season with a torn ACL.

Maybe we should give up on trade proposals completely. I think it's best we ride the season out with the guys they have and hope for the best. If the Clippers end up being a 2nd round exit casualty, so be it. The west is totally the Warriors now, with the Spurs and Thunder blocking the Clipper's path to 2nd place. And the opponents below them are on a mission to surpass the Clippers to the point they are either an 8th seed or out of the playoffs completely. Don't forget, it's the Clippers fault that the Warriors are champions, and they are trying to be the first team in NBA history to recover from a 3-1 playoff collapse within a year's time. Eight playoff teams before them were forced to painful rebuilds - like losing their franchise players and missing the playoffs for a couple years - so the Clippers know what's at stake.

And probably the only thing going for the Clippers right now is the friendship and familiarity they share among the personnel - Griffin and Jordan BFFs; Doc and Pierce former Celtics; Crawford, Smith and Woodson former Hawks; Doc and Austin father and son; Aldrich and Prigioni former Knicks; etc. If Disney has taught me anything, true love's first kiss can break curses. If that can happen, then I believe that friendship and family can lead the Clippers to a ring.

...or at least an automatic conference finals debut, now that Doc and Pierce are reunited.

[Neddy]

Naw Jack's injury has nothing to do with Clipper Curse. it has everything to do with the universe screwing with my fantasy team.

[og15]

Robert Covington is another option. I know his shooting numbers are down, but considering the team he's playing for, I'd say that if he was getting his shots from CP and Blake his percentages would be better. Big, long SF, very active hands, active on the glass. I'm worried about what causes him to turn the ball over so much though. Maybe in a system where he's handling less, that changes, but I don't know, right now he's awful with that.

Hard to get him without a pick, so the best idea would be to take on Landry's contract, and send a 2nd to Philly along with someone like Jamal and Wilcox, or I suppose Lance is another option here.

Clippers get to keep their second round pick if it is in the top 55, and secondly have the option to swap picks with the Nets as long as it is in the top 55. So with GSW, SAS and OKC ahead of the Clippers, and likely CLE, the Clippers will most likely be in the top 55 and can swap picks with the Nets which will give an early 2nd round pick.

Covington is signed at $1 million / year for 2 more seasons

[Ranma]

The cited report is from Mitch Lawrence, who's proven himself to be more unreliable than respectable, but I think there is a possibility of Joe Johnson being bought out. If that were the case, I'd wouldn't mind getting him though I do have concerns about his deteriorating defense.

Fred Katz, FoxSports.com (1/7/15)

Other than that, why should the Nets let him go for nothing? Brooklyn is still better with Johnson on the floor, and it's not like he's blocking much young talent from playing. Without a pick for the upcoming draft, the Nets have no incentive to tank, not even for a second-rounder, given that the Clippers will almost certainly capitalize on a second-round pick swap with them this June.

Still, a buyout is comprehensible if only for the reasons above, and if it does happen, certainly keep an eye on those Clippers, who love to sign veteran buyout candidates come late February and early March.

Report: Joe Johnson Could Be 'a Prime Candidate for a Buyout'

[QRich3]

Robert Covington is another option. I know his shooting numbers are down, but considering the team he's playing for, I'd say that if he was getting his shots from CP and Blake his percentages would be better. Big, long SF, very active hands, active on the glass. I'm worried about what causes him to turn the ball over so much though. Maybe in a system where he's handling less, that changes, but I don't know, right now he's awful with that.

Hard to get him without a pick, so the best idea would be to take on Landry's contract, and send a 2nd to Philly along with someone like Jamal and Wilcox, or I suppose Lance is another option here.

Clippers get to keep their second round pick if it is in the top 55, and secondly have the option to swap picks with the Nets as long as it is in the top 55. So with GSW, SAS and OKC ahead of the Clippers, and likely CLE, the Clippers will most likely be in the top 55 and can swap picks with the Nets which will give an early 2nd round pick.

Covington is signed at $1 million / year for 2 more seasons

Need a fifth team to be better than us, with only GSW, SAS, OKC and CLE ahead of us, we still get the 56th pick. I've been keeping an eye on that pick all year, and I just don't see how we're not gonna be a top 5 record. Bulls are an option, but I just don't see them ending with a better record than us, and Heat, Raptors and Hawks are more inconsistent than Jamal's jump shot.

Anyway, a 2nd rounder and taking on Landry won't be nearly enough to get Covington, even if he keeps sinking his value. Only realistic chance I see at getting a half decent wing is dumping Lance and Jamal on Portland at the trade deadline, and getting someone with neutral value with the TPE it'd generate. Best case scenario, EJ if the Pelicans are ready to tank by then, maybe even Deng if the Heat feel they really need to avoid the tax (unlikely). But most probably, someone much worse than them who's gonna have a hard time cracking our rotation