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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#401 » by Neddy » Fri Jan 1, 2016 10:46 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:I think it's a mistake to look to other starters who have become relievers and think that Wood could do it. For every Wade Davis and Luke Hochevar, there's a Chris Capuano who can't hack it as a reliever and it never hits the news or airwaves.

Wood isn't even a failed starter. There's no reason to push him into that role at this point IMO other than the surplus we have.


the difference between guys like Luke and Wade versus Capuano is their stuff. as a reliever, it is very important you have at least 1 dominant pitch. Chris didn't. Wade Davis averaged around 91 mph as a starter with the Rays, then kicked it up a notch when he was only responsible for one inning for the Royals, marking around 95 mph with his fastball. Luke threw around where Wood is at now when he was a starter, between 90 to 91. now as a setup guy, he is averaging 94 mph with his fastball.
Alex can do this. his fastball averaged around 90-91 with the braves in his first year, then the last two has been more around 89-90. if he is given the responsibility of three outs a night only, I can see his velocity getting up to 93 mph.

another reason to consider him as a setup man is due to his pitches. he had both slider and curve when he broke out with the Braves to go along with his four seam and two seam fastballs, change up and his knucklecurve. since then, in last two seasons Alex has completely abandoned his curve and slider due to ineffectiveness. Alex Wood as of now is really, essentially a two pitch pitcher. he has fastball aibeit in two variations, and an off speed pitch, although his KC breaks a bit more than his straight change. the reason why I call him a two pitch pitcher now is because the separation between his 4 seamer and 2 seamer is less than 1 mph, and the separation between his changeup and knuckle curve is barely 2 mph. those are not different enough of pitches and not different enough of velocities to make him a 4 pitch pitcher. he was a 4 pitch pitcher when he had his curve and slider, but those two pitches also had basically same velocity and same break, just different angle which is the reason why he doesn't throw them anymore. as a setup guy, his two pitch approach will work just fine, and in back to back games if facing the same set of batters, his two fastballs and two off speed have just enough shift in breaks that he can get away with it. but as a starter, his stuff is the reason why he gets rocked the third time around the lineup.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#402 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Jan 2, 2016 5:26 am

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/los-angeles-dodgers-kenta-maeda-scott-kazmir-zack-greinke-flawed-roster-010116

Jon Morosi hates our offseason.
Apparently we were supposed to sign bot Greinke and Price.
very quick read….I assume to get him some clicks.


"a sense of identity"
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#403 » by Neddy » Sat Jan 2, 2016 10:02 pm

I am not sure how the BSPN pundits formulate their own math for WAR value, but according to them, Ender Inciate recorded 5.26 WAR in 2015 himself alone. Shelby Miller? 3.64. I still consider other sources more credible, but it still shows the idiocy of the Dirt Bags' FO. Tony La Russa and Dave Stewart are no match for Friedman and Zaini. it's too bad the internet is filled with ill-informed and poorly educated fanbase who does not understand neither the long term vision nor short term mathematical benefits we are gaining through all this. I love reading articles on other sites such as Dodgersnation or bleacherreport, but their fan responses are beyond hopeless. I hate reading through Naver's south korean fan base the most. what a self decrecating hateful bunch. not all, but god damn so many of them. one of the posters are getting sued by Nexen and the current Twin Beung Ho Park for slander. and I don't blame them one bit. it is beyond annoying to read through some of their comments to a point where I feel it is pathologic.
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Beware of Trolls on the Internet 

Post#404 » by Ranma » Sat Jan 2, 2016 10:27 pm

Neddy wrote:I am not sure how the BSPN pundits formulate their own math for WAR value, but according to them, Ender Inciate recorded 5.26 WAR in 2015 himself alone. Shelby Miller? 3.64. I still consider other sources more credible, but it still shows the idiocy of the Dirt Bags' FO. Tony La Russa and Dave Stewart are no match for Friedman and Zaini. it's too bad the internet is filled with ill-informed and poorly educated fanbase who does not understand neither the long term vision nor short term mathematical benefits we are gaining through all this. I love reading articles on other sites such as Dodgersnation or bleacherreport, but their fan responses are beyond hopeless. I hate reading through Naver's south korean fan base the most. what a self decrecating hateful bunch. not all, but god damn so many of them. one of the posters are getting sued by Nexen and the current Twin Beung Ho Park for slander. and I don't blame them one bit. it is beyond annoying to read through some of their comments to a point where I feel it is pathologic.


Good grief. I've been around a few online communities but don't frequent that many places, especially if I notice a lot of the typical nonsense that tends to go on in the Web. It would drive me insane to expose myself to so much constant inanity. However, it makes us all the more appreciative of what we have here. There may only be the 3 of us contributing regularly, but I genuinely enjoy the discussion and insights both you and Quake provide. Thanks, guys.
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Re: Beware of Trolls on the Internet 

Post#405 » by Neddy » Sat Jan 2, 2016 11:45 pm

Ranma wrote:
Neddy wrote:I am not sure how the BSPN pundits formulate their own math for WAR value, but according to them, Ender Inciate recorded 5.26 WAR in 2015 himself alone. Shelby Miller? 3.64. I still consider other sources more credible, but it still shows the idiocy of the Dirt Bags' FO. Tony La Russa and Dave Stewart are no match for Friedman and Zaini. it's too bad the internet is filled with ill-informed and poorly educated fanbase who does not understand neither the long term vision nor short term mathematical benefits we are gaining through all this. I love reading articles on other sites such as Dodgersnation or bleacherreport, but their fan responses are beyond hopeless. I hate reading through Naver's south korean fan base the most. what a self decrecating hateful bunch. not all, but god damn so many of them. one of the posters are getting sued by Nexen and the current Twin Beung Ho Park for slander. and I don't blame them one bit. it is beyond annoying to read through some of their comments to a point where I feel it is pathologic.


Good grief. I've been around a few online communities but don't frequent that many places, especially if I notice a lot of the typical nonsense that tends to go on in the Web. It would drive me insane to expose myself to so much constant inanity. However, it makes us all the more appreciative of what we have here. There may only be the 3 of us contributing regularly, but I genuinely enjoy the discussion and insights both you and Quake provide. Thanks, guys.


all I will say is that the older I get, the more I agree with Alexander Hamilton than Thomas Jefferson as I did when I was younger.

quality over quantity, man. cheers. :beer:
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#406 » by Quake Griffin » Sun Jan 3, 2016 9:49 am

Indians manager Terry Francona did not want the team to lose any of its best starting pitching, and the team isn’t close to a significant deal to add a hitter, writes Terry Pluto of the Plain Dealer.

Saw this on MLB Trade Rumors. I like their team and their nucleus with Lindor. I want Carrasco.
****!


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Puig for leadoff to start the year?
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Setting the Table 

Post#407 » by Ranma » Sun Jan 3, 2016 10:49 am

Quake Griffin wrote:Indians manager Terry Francona did not want the team to lose any of its best starting pitching, and the team isn’t close to a significant deal to add a hitter, writes Terry Pluto of the Plain Dealer.

Saw this on MLB Trade Rumors. I like their team and their nucleus with Lindor. I want Carrasco.
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Puig for leadoff to start the year?


While I'd like to have Carrasco from the Indians, I'm not troubled that they're not inclined to make a deal. Jose Fernandez will eventually become available and so will Sonny Gray even if neither will be in play for the upcoming season. I'm fine with letting our current prospects develop further with both Jose De Leon and Julio Urias close to being ready. We may have to deal Zach Lee, Joe Wieland, Mike Bolsinger, and Carlos Frias once the rotation is established but we have time to evaluate and let things play out, especially given the question marks to our current pitching staff. The Dodgers can afford to play the waiting game and are keeping in contact with teams to be ready once something comes up.

With regard to a lead-off hitter, Yasiel Puig doesn't have the discipline to play that role. I advocated for Joc Pederson over Jimmy Rollins last season but he's not cut out for that role either...at least not yet even if he is better than Puig. I think Neddy was a proponent for Corey Seager to bat atop of the lineup last season given our available options and I tend to think he's the best option we have for now, especially with Jose Peraza dealt away.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#408 » by Neddy » Sun Jan 3, 2016 5:30 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Indians manager Terry Francona did not want the team to lose any of its best starting pitching, and the team isn’t close to a significant deal to add a hitter, writes Terry Pluto of the Plain Dealer.

Saw this on MLB Trade Rumors. I like their team and their nucleus with Lindor. I want Carrasco.
****!


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Puig for leadoff to start the year?


LOL I already have have as the opening day leadoff!

as of right now, with no other moves, I have

1 R RF Puig
2 L SS Seager
3 R 3B Turner
4 L 1B Gonzo
5 L LF Ethier / R SVS
6 S C Grandal
7 L CF Joc
8 L 2B Utley / R ****

by mid season, if Joc is hitting at least .250, then he must be getting on base at around .390. he would lead the team on OBP. him leading off then becmes no brainer, and everyone is pushed one spot down

1. Joc
2. Puig
3. Seager
4. Turner
5. Gonzo
6. Ethier/SVS
7. Grandal
8. Utley/****

if and only if Joc completely loses his bat and hits below .200 for the entire seasdon, I would still have him in the lineup as he gets on base .140 above his BA, so even if he is hitting .185, his OBP will still be .325. but bump him past the pitcher, so there is a lead off hitter ( in this case Puig) hitting behind him and they can't just pitch around Joc. they will have to show him fastballs above the plate not to automatically put him on base with potentially big bats coming up behind him.

1. Puig
2. Seager
3. Turner
4. Gonzo
5. Ethier /SVS
6. Grandal
7. Utley / ****
8 P
9. Joc

this is what I have in mind so far, but I do expect the LF situation to change anytime and depending on what kind of a bat we bring in, it can change the lineup drastically once again.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#409 » by Neddy » Mon Jan 4, 2016 2:14 am

with his legal troubles now behind, South Korean fireballer and the last two seasons' NPB save leader Oh is headed to US in a week to talk to MLB ballclubs. with bridges burned in hyper-conservative cultures in both South Korea and Japan for illegal gambling, Oh is supposedly willing to sign for much less to just continue his career here in the States.

I smell a bargain contract from Friedman and Co. that will dwarf the Maeda deal. 1 million a year with 2 million incentives on top, with 2 more years of team option with 15% escalating raise?
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#410 » by Neddy » Mon Jan 4, 2016 3:26 am

update on Oh.

his agent came out and denied his client is headed to US for negotiations in a week, he in fact stated he has no idea where this is coming from.

I wonder Oh has been contacted by US agency and bypassing his old representatives all together as US MLB agent licensing operates very differenty from Japan or Korea, that his old agents actually do not have the power to make a deal, from what I understand. if this is so, I hope his new agent's name is Alen Nero and not Scott Boris.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#411 » by Quake Griffin » Mon Jan 4, 2016 4:04 am

What is in Oh's repertoire?

he throws high heat?
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#412 » by Neddy » Mon Jan 4, 2016 4:21 am

Quake Griffin wrote:What is in Oh's repertoire?

he throws high heat?


his main pitch through out his career has been his 4 seamer. used to average around 94 but the last year or two it was around 92. but he has reached for and topped out at 97. he also was dabbling with a slider and a cutter last season but they are below average pitches in MLB level. he also has a curve but it should not be thrown in the States... lol. but his 4 seamer has gained nick name over the years due to his high spin rate and resistance to normal trajectory, giving many hitters in both countries he pitched a ton of fit, that many profess that he has an acutal "rising-fastball" which has been dubbed "stone-fastball" over the years. his poker face expression that never changes regardless of the situation he is in also gained a nickname "Stone Buddah" in South Korea and later in Japan "Stone Guardian" so his 4 seamer is a big deal.

essentially, he will be a one pitch pitcher in the majors. but so was Mariano Rivera and our own Kenley Jensen. Oh's pitch moves differently from Jensen's that even though both are basically one pitch pitchers and both right handed, they will have no issues together.

this is him from a couple of years ago as a rookie closer for Hanshin Tigers of Japan. he was just starting his first week in Japan and was questioned relentlessly by the media and its fanbase whether he was good enough as NPB looks down on KBO. he was shaky at first, then he keeps his usual "stone buddah" face and handles it.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzHYUSgJEuw[/youtube]

then here he is when he has settled down
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF40lMS5VoQ[/youtube]
do you see the increaese in his velocity and movement from the first video? first is from early April, the second one is from the first of June. more so, it is his control that improved significantly from the first week. from the first video, his velocity is sitting around 90 but the second video shows him throwing 94 easily. it's more or less the same in 2015, but it appeared to me that he has figured out when to step up and when to coast along, overall dropping his average velocity by a small margin but when he needed it, he was always able to bring the heat.

PS- forgot that he added splitter in Japan and has thrown that pitch to get guys out. I suppose that makes him a 5 pitch pitcher with 4 Seamer, slider, cutter, splitter, and a curve. but his curve and cutter should be omited in US. I see 90% 4 seamer, 7% slider, and 3 % splitter for him as a very successful setup man for a MLB ballclub.
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Dodger Pride 

Post#413 » by Ranma » Mon Jan 4, 2016 8:10 am

I've always had a soft spot for players who want to be Dodgers. Chuck Tiffany was drafted by the Dodgers and was a lifelong fan growing up, but alas, he didn't develop as quickly as the organization had hoped and was eventually packaged along with Edwin Jackson in a trade for Dany Baez and Lance Carter. I wasn't really a big fan of C.C. Sabathia's, but I perked up when he expressed his desire to be a Dodger to Colletti during the winter of 2008 in free agency. He eventually took the huge money from the Yankees and looked to be more concerned about pitching closer to his California home than representing the Dodgers. In any case, I love the thought of Kenta Maeda being proud to don Dodger blue.

What's funny is that I started the off-season a bigger advocate for signing Seung-Hwan Oh than for Maeda and I now find myself more content that we've secured Maeda instead of Oh at this moment. I was higher on Oh but I thought he had better command of his other pitches. I was aware of his "stone fastball" but didn't know that he'd need to use it at such a high percentage.

Thanks for the updates and reference material on him, Neddy. I looked over the videos and wasn't really impressed even though I like how he modulates the velocity of his pitches and dials it up when needed. The "rise" of his "stone fastball" is interesting, but to be honest, I expected more. I guess I bought into the hype of the "Stone Buddha" and "Final Boss" nicknames. I'm not against still going after him, but I'm going to totally defer to the Dodgers' scouts on whether he's a good fit rather than root for signing him at this point. I'm probably missing something since there's a reason he dominated in the KBO and excelled in NPB as well.
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Re: Dodger Pride 

Post#414 » by Neddy » Mon Jan 4, 2016 6:00 pm

Ranma wrote:I've always had a soft spot for players who want to be Dodgers. Chuck Tiffany was drafted by the Dodgers and was a lifelong fan growing up, but alas, he didn't develop as quickly as the organization had hoped and was eventually packaged along with Edwin Jackson in a trade for Dany Baez and Lance Carter. I wasn't really a big fan of C.C. Sabathia's, but I perked up when he expressed his desire to be a Dodger to Colletti during the winter of 2008 in free agency. He eventually took the huge money from the Yankees and looked to be more concerned about pitching closer to his California home than representing the Dodgers. In any case, I love the thought of Kenta Maeda being proud to don Dodger blue.

What's funny is that I started the off-season a bigger advocate for signing Seung-Hwan Oh than for Maeda and I now find myself more content that we've secured Maeda instead of Oh at this moment. I was higher on Oh but I thought he had better command of his other pitches. I was aware of his "stone fastball" but didn't know that he'd need to use it at such a high percentage.

Thanks for the updates and reference material on him, Neddy. I looked over the videos and wasn't really impressed even though I like how he modulates the velocity of his pitches and dials it up when needed. The "rise" of his "stone fastball" is interesting, but to be honest, I expected more. I guess I bought into the hype of the "Stone Buddha" and "Final Boss" nicknames. I'm not against still going after him, but I'm going to totally defer to the Dodgers' scouts on whether he's a good fit rather than root for signing him at this point. I'm probably missing something since there's a reason he dominated in the KBO and excelled in NPB as well.


his dominance in KBO was uncanny. but he also didn't need to throw anything but his 4 seamer as it was all it took to get guys out. he threw occasional slider and that's when he would get hit hard. once he made it to Japan, he had lost a bit on his fastball due to his age and being a notoriiously slow starter, then he started to throw more of his sliders. don't forget also that Japanese baseball frawns upon strike outs more than GIDPs to end your bottom of the 9th. while training with his teammates over the break between his two seasons with Hanshin, he picked up a splitter along the way and had gotten decent control but as you watched(although both videos are from 14 season and not 15), he doesn't really rely on them for an out pitch. he uses his breaking balls to lure a guy outside the zone, more as a setup pitch. his weak slider worked rather well in Japan as they don't throw as many (good)sliders in NPB but I can see his baby splitter working well here for the same reason. but essentially, he is a 4 seam guy and I suppose the % of his fastball will be dictated by his piching coach and the catcher calling pitches, but if he is gonna have success here in the States, it's gonna be as a power pitcher with his fastball, not with any of his breaking stuff.

BTW, whatever happed with that kid Chuck? is he out of baseball now?

also, it wouldn't hurt to take a flier on Oh's gambling buddy Chang young Lim. the dude is now 40 years old and was briefly signed and let go in a year by the cubs a couple of years back but he was coming off of a major injury after pitching for the NPB's Swallows as their closer. he has thrown 92 - 97 fastball that slid side ways with his side arm delievery that occasionally move up closer to 3 quarters and sometimes look more under handed, but that fastball had movements.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQZ7zRgbw74[/youtube]

but then again, this due is about 40 years old now.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#415 » by Neddy » Tue Jan 5, 2016 2:58 am

Urk, BSPN strikes again.

while doing my usual after work information gathering to satisfy my baseball obcession, I came across an article that Naver.com translated from ESPN insiders article, written by a moron named Eric Longenhagen. he states correctly, that due to south korean baseball teams still only allowing their posted players to be negotiated with just one team with the highest bid, thus making the contract negotiation steeply one sided, then goes on to give an example incorrectly how the newest Orioles outfielder Kim was shafted with 7 total million dollars for 2 years.
there is one problem... Kim was a free agent and was NEVER posted. to make matters worse, the fans from south korea replying to this translated article did not pick up on that one crucial error and made comments with no regard to the fact. I even clicked on the link from Naver that took me straight to the original article (I found out you can get free access to insider's ESPN articles through international links by doing this accidently today too) and nope, it was not a problem with translation. this proved my long standing belief that ESPN insider stuff is just another extension of BSPN selling male cow's excrement.
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How Ranma was Wrong This Time 

Post#416 » by Ranma » Tue Jan 5, 2016 9:06 am

Quake Griffin wrote:I'm glad we moved on from Howie at his age and given that **** and Utley grade out better defensively.


The good news: the Dodgers are pretty much assured of having 4 picks in the top 40 of the 2016 MLB draft once Kendrick signs a contract with another team. The bad news: teams are reluctant to give up the draft pick required to sign him. The D-backs are reluctant to sign him in light of already losing their previously 13th overall selection, but the Angels are another possibility once they sign a free-agent outfielder. However, owner Arte Moreno has recently said that he doesn't expect to be in the running for the remaining big free agents.

It is apparent that I was mistaken about what picks are eligible to be forfeited for signing free agents and that my scenario of maximizing free-agent signings by acquiring both Jason Heyward and Jordan Zimmermann was a pipe dream. Simply put, teams lose their highest draft picks towards compensating other teams for signing their free agents during a given year as long as the picks are not among the top 10 overall picks in the draft. I've detailed my revelation in the Draft / International Signings thread.
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Depo Goes to Cleveland...Browns 

Post#417 » by Ranma » Tue Jan 5, 2016 4:46 pm

Well, I guess if you can't get Sonny Weaver, Jr. from the movie "Draft Day" for the job, you call on Peter Brand from "Moneyball".

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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#418 » by Quake Griffin » Tue Jan 5, 2016 5:30 pm

Neddy's boy.
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Dodgers Front Office Gets Another Upgrade 

Post#419 » by Ranma » Tue Jan 5, 2016 6:41 pm

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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#420 » by Quake Griffin » Tue Jan 5, 2016 6:52 pm

Not sure I like AA coming here.

I like every trade we have made….and btw Ranma…can we reserve judgment on the Dee Gordon trade until we see what **** and Barnes have? Barnes who was noted to be the piece that stung Miami to give up last year by some writer last week. I'd have to look it up on MLB Trade Rumors.

But I've liked every trade. Even when Jim Johnson **** the bed, I liked how the other side of the deal made sense for us.
wait…except I didn't like Heaney for a year of Kendrick even though it's yielding us a pick. Get something else thrown in. sheesh.


I'm not sure I trust a guy who traded d'Arnaud and Syndergaard for a 38 year old RA Dickey
He also got a **** return for Roy Halladay. d'Arnaud was the best piece in that trade and d'Arnaud was flipped for Dickey.

But I guess he dealt for the AL MVP last year.
Whatever. Not my cup of tea and I'm not sure why he has to be here.
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