Robert $arver

[bwgood77]

what a tool

He's certainly no Brody Stevens, that's for sure.

[thamadkant]

Facebook has given voice to the scumbags of the society. I'm not a fan.
I use to enjoy it maybe 5-6 years ago... good for chatting with friends interstate or overseas.

Twitter was "good" too at around the same time... now its a joke, giving voice to people that shouldnt have a voice to begin with.


Reddit... atleast is humorous. And a good summary of news on the internet.

[MrMiyagi]

People have always tried to demonstrate that they are more put together than they are at least since, but probably even before, the invention of clothes. Every generation has had crybabies who crack and cave at adversity, the only difference with Millennials is it's more visible. Before, it was just the people at your work or in your neighborhood/apartment building or you small town or section of the city. Now, all those people from everywhere are seen or heard from online. Most people probably forget what a stupid person they used to be from their late teens-early twenties, but thanks to social media, Millennials will carry their stupidity with them until Skynet or The Matrix goes active and computers are no longer allowed to be accessed by humans for the good of robot kind.

Seriously, go read books from previous centuries and you'll see the same complaints about "the young people" over and over again. Chances are, most of the people Gen Xers, Boomers, etc. admire of their own generations were the people the previous generation loathed and mocked. Same thing will happen to Millennials with RoboGen (or whatever the **** comes next).

[thamadkant]

With that said..
I am for one, would love if Sarver sells the team to a different owner, I think his meddling is too much.

But he didnt say anything wrong in that quote.

He accused Markieff of being a typical millenial who uses the social media to show his team frustrations.. which has KILLED his value.. which is a TEAM setback... which he said... and I AGREE 100%. Morris needs to log off twitter when he feels like he wants to talk about the Suns.


Secondly, he mentioned a couple of reasons why he doesnt like social media... and I agree with those reasons, he is entitled to those.

Thirdly, he says the team has suffered many setbacks.. plural. So he didnt / doesnt blame social media or millenials as a sole reason for the team performing badly.

[Mulhollanddrive]

“I am not a real patient person,” Sarver says. “You don’t have the kind of success that allows you to buy an NBA team by being a patient person."

Damn those 60 year olds and their lack of patience, that is what machinary does, I'd ban cars and make people walk.

[TASTIC]

Sell the team man, please.

What is his idea of success - turning his investment into a multi-million dollar profit, as it would be if he sold the team right now?

Or winning a title?

Sell the team. I feel he's now just being stubborn because he's so use to creating his own success, so when things aren't going to plan he blames others when it is HIS team and ultimately he signs off on everything.

I wonder if Colangelo etc had come to him and said '$1.5 billion, right now' - would he take it? I know the Clippers sold for $2b and I'd like to think we're worth more than them, but with that market and their roster/stars, we're not.

[bwgood77]

Sell the team man, please.

What is his idea of success - turning his investment into a multi-million dollar profit, as it would be if he sold the team right now?

Or winning a title?

Sell the team. I feel he's now just being stubborn because he's so use to creating his own success, so when things aren't going to plan he blames others when it is HIS team and ultimately he signs off on everything.

I wonder if Colangelo etc had come to him and said '$1.5 billion, right now' - would he take it? I know the Clippers sold for $2b and I'd like to think we're worth more than them, but with that market and their roster/stars, we're not.

I'm sure he'd sell for 1.5 billion. Any team in LA is worth far more because LA will ALWAYS sell out simply due to population. And I think the second offer for the blind bid offer for the Clips was 1.1 billion. So even though the market set them at 2 billion, that was an overvaluation.

Bucks sold in April of 2014 for 550 million. I'm guessing Sarver would sell for less than a billion. He only paid 400 million I think.

But for some owners, it's more like a toy...they have fun owning a sports team and doing what they want...but when he starts to take more heat and it isn't fun for him either, maybe he would sell. But is there a rich businessman in Phx area who would want to buy? I think right now would be a prime time to do so, and you would be a hero to do so and to appoint Colangelo as GM or president of basketball operations to name a GM.

I wouldn't even be THAT surprised if that happened tomorrow if Colangelo kept current GM and coach and told them "Here is what the plan is....get rid of these guys no matter what, here is our path, if you disagree, you can go too."

[Frank Lee]

Its a fast changing world we are in. And I thought at one time 'Pay at the Pump' gas was the greatest technological advancement in my lifetime. I still think it is one of the most underrated modern day conveniences.


Odd to think what this current generations' 'Ohhh back in the day' speech will be like......

[WeekapaugGroove]

Sarver needs to shut up. Oh and selling the team would be great too.

[AtheJ415]

Sarver is right about the Millennials just putting up the "best" bits of their lives on social media...

But as Adande followed up with, I agree that the social media bit has nothing to do with how the Suns can become a winning team once again.

This isn't unique to millennials, though. Every generations ever is private about the negative aspects of their lives. It's not like previous generations go around announcing they have cancer or that they were just fired from their job or dumped by their gf/bf.

I agree. But what I dislike about this is that, by now, people should've realized not to make generalizations about others, whether that's racial, religious, or even generational. Particularly people in Sarver's position, in a scenario where it's public. No good can come of it. At best, a few people agree and a few don't, alienating them. You don't help the team by making these comments. He should know better.

I'm not someone who thinks Sarver is the bane of our existence or the source of our problems as Suns fans. I just don't think he's as involved and hands on as many here think. I could be wrong there, but that's my feel for it. I do, however, hope he sells the team because his reputation continues to take hits as he continues to put his foot in his mouth.

[RunDogGun]

I'd be more concerned with who he sells the team to if his firm sold the team. We have to remember that he is just the managing partner. With how crappy our home fans are, I could see someone thinking it might be better to move the team to another state. For me, that would end my ties to the team. I'm not going to be a Seatle Supersonics fan.

[bwgood77]

Comments begin to build up now that the story hit espn....it amazes me how many people are under the assumption that the Morris twins took discounts and were promised one wouldn't be traded. I think it was more like they were offered a contract to have both of them, let them decide how to split it, and then they made an assumption that meant they would never be traded regardless of their actions.

But Sarver and McD both getting quite a bit of feedback here in the espn comments.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14499523/phoenix-suns-owner-robert-sarver-rails-markieff-morris-millennial-culture

This will be fun trying to sign millenial free agents and get millenial draft prospects to come work out for us.

[bwgood77]

I'd be more concerned with who he sells the team to if his firm sold the team. We have to remember that he is just the managing partner. With how crappy our home fans are, I could see someone thinking it might be better to move the team to another state. For me, that would end my ties to the team. I'm not going to be a Seatle Supersonics fan.

That is hard to fathom the Suns moving to another state. Even though I don't live in Phx any more, I grew up with the team, so especially if they lost their name completely, it would be tough.

With the Chargers, and their probable move to another city, it won't impact me as much because they were never in my state, although it might feel weird pulling for a team in LA.

I've been such a fan of the Suns and the NBA for so long I can't imagine losing interest in the NBA altogether, so I'm not sure what I'd do.

I don't know if Silver and the other owners would allow it, but if there is one place they might allow a team to move to, it would be there.

[RunDogGun]

Comments begin to build up now that the story hit espn....it amazes me how many people are under the assumption that the Morris twins took discounts and were promised one wouldn't be traded. I think it was more like they were offered a contract to have both of them, let them decide how to split it, and then they made an assumption that meant they would never be traded regardless of their actions.

But Sarver and McD both getting quite a bit of feedback here in the espn comments.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14499523/phoenix-suns-owner-robert-sarver-rails-markieff-morris-millennial-culture

This will be fun trying to sign millenial free agents and get millenial draft prospects to come work out for us.

I still don't see what is wrong with his quotes. He seems pretty spot on. Morris had trouble with this, he did take to social media, and has been a complete b*tch throughout this season. When in fact, it was his and his brother's actions and legal troubles which caused the trade in the first place.

Moreover, Sarver takes responsibility and says it's a whole team problem, from top to bottom. I think many here will skip over that part, and just focus on what he said about Morris.

[ndnow]

Ok, so my understanding is that Morris took less money and was promised to play with his brother. Is this statement incorrect or is sarver just delusional? I'm so confused.

[RunDogGun]

I'd be more concerned with who he sells the team to if his firm sold the team. We have to remember that he is just the managing partner. With how crappy our home fans are, I could see someone thinking it might be better to move the team to another state. For me, that would end my ties to the team. I'm not going to be a Seatle Supersonics fan.

That is hard to fathom the Suns moving to another state. Even though I don't live in Phx any more, I grew up with the team, so especially if they lost their name completely, it would be tough.

With the Chargers, and their probable move to another city, it won't impact me as much because they were never in my state, although it might feel weird pulling for a team in LA.

I've been such a fan of the Suns and the NBA for so long I can't imagine losing interest in the NBA altogether, so I'm not sure what I'd do.

I don't know if Silver and the other owners would allow it, but if there is one place they might allow a team to move to, it would be there.

I still don't think Silver is in control. I still think Stern is pulling strings, just in the background. He knew that him being the face of the league had worn out its welcome. Being boo'd on draft night with every draft announcement was a huge sign.

There are other cities who might be hungry for a team, and a new owner could easily not have any ties to the city. Just look at our stands at the start of the third quarter, and we often have more opposing fans at our games that Suns fans. This has been going on for years. A business man, could see the benefit of starting all over. Do what Seattle did, have terrible seasons, wait out the stadium contract, and move to a state that is hungry for an NBA team.

I'm just saying I'm not going to follow a team not named PHX Suns.

[RunDogGun]

Ok, so my understanding is that Morris took less money and was promised to play with his brother. Is this statement incorrect or is sarver just delusional? I'm so confused.

We are unsure what was said. They were offered an amount, and it was left to them how to split it up. Once the contracts were agreed, I think that was the end of it. But all of that was before their legal issues, and bad lockerroom issues. Also that was before Marcus screamed at Hornacek on National tv.

[Qwigglez]

Comments begin to build up now that the story hit espn....it amazes me how many people are under the assumption that the Morris twins took discounts and were promised one wouldn't be traded. I think it was more like they were offered a contract to have both of them, let them decide how to split it, and then they made an assumption that meant they would never be traded regardless of their actions.

But Sarver and McD both getting quite a bit of feedback here in the espn comments.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14499523/phoenix-suns-owner-robert-sarver-rails-markieff-morris-millennial-culture

This will be fun trying to sign millenial free agents and get millenial draft prospects to come work out for us.

Whats crazy is I stand behind what Sarver is saying. Well, basically at least the part of Kieff destroying the team. A true cancer to the entire organization.

[ndnow]

Ok, so my understanding is that Morris took less money and was promised to play with his brother. Is this statement incorrect or is sarver just delusional? I'm so confused.

We are unsure what was said. They were offered an amount, and it was left to them how to split it up. Once the contracts were agreed, I think that was the end of it. But all of that was before their legal issues, and bad lockerroom issues. Also that was before Marcus screamed at Hornacek on National tv.

Yeah suppose we won't ever really know since it clearly wasn't written into the contract. If it was a handshake deal lesson learned for Morris I guess.

You guys still have talent this isn't lost yet is it?

[RunDogGun]

Ok, so my understanding is that Morris took less money and was promised to play with his brother. Is this statement incorrect or is sarver just delusional? I'm so confused.

We are unsure what was said. They were offered an amount, and it was left to them how to split it up. Once the contracts were agreed, I think that was the end of it. But all of that was before their legal issues, and bad lockerroom issues. Also that was before Marcus screamed at Hornacek on National tv.

Yeah suppose we won't ever really know since it clearly wasn't written into the contract. If it was a handshake deal lesson learned for Morris I guess.

You guys still have talent this isn't lost yet is it?

Right now the team is in a downward spiral. It seems many(sorry Bigfoot, only word I could grab), think this team sucks all around except Warren and Booker, so it doesn't seem a lot to positive about. And even if one brings up a positive, this board will just call them delusional.