Two Out of Three Aint Bad

[zeebneeb]

Seems to be a few threads lately about "upgrades" and "changes". Does anyone believe in a "Lets see what we actually have" approach?


Building a true team takes time, and it would seem some have only given this team under half a season to impress. I guess i am in the minority in waiting until players actually come into their own.

Most of the conversation has been about looking forward to both next off-season and further. And I'm all for seeing what we actually have, but that doesn't mean you stop looking for other ways to improve your team.

I am in no way displeased with the progress we've made or where we are at. I picked us to win 48-50 wins before the season and I feel pretty good about doing just that. If I'm analyzing weaknesses or ways to improve it's because I don't want that improvement to stop. Some of our growth will certainly be internal in the form of our young guys developing, but some of it will not and if we can add a piece (or two) to push into the next tier then why not talk about that possibility?

It's not like we're hurting the board by talking about it. We aren't exactly bumping the plethora of amazing threads off the 1st page with some huge over abundance of conversation that nobody wants to see. People clearly have an interest. I have an interest. Where is the harm?

I cant disagree with anything you posted. I guess I just get a little annoyed when people complain about the team or certain players when the Pistons have been awful for so long and now that there are not only signs of life but we have a burgeoning superstar in Drummond and a potential All-Star in Jackson to build its almost like I want to scream; "Wait damn it!"

Trust me I truly do get both sides of the coin.

Drummond is truly among the worst free throw shooters of all time and should be doing anything to improve that which includes underhand if need be. Man up Drummond and get it right. I dont care what you have to do.

Pope's inconsistent play does drive me insane and I get why people want to trade him. One night he plays his usual outstanding defense but also pours in 25 points while shooting it efficiently and we have another all-star on the roster. the next he scores 8 while shooting 25%. Its maddening and I get it.

Jackson is so damn ball dominant I almost want someone on our own team to steal it from him at times. He also waits until the 4th quarter to start playing hard it makes me want to pull my hair out. Play harder! During every quarter!

I have no complaints about Morris. He is amazing to me still and the honeymoon continues.

If Erson pump-fakes on one more wide open three I may just lose my damn mind. Whats worse is that he sometimes leans so far after the pump to try and draw the foul I wonder if he is just going to separate into two pieces at some point with his waist down just standing at the three-point line, while Erson will still be pump-faking while resting on his elbows.

I guess in the end I dont want the Pistons to make a bad move based on pressure to win now. Threads like these and others just make me nervous I guess.

[bballnmike]

I am against Horford for a lot of reasons.

He never shot the 3 ball in Utah. Look at his stats. He was shooting on average less than one a game, actually less than .5 a game on average. for 7 years. Then for 2 years he shot 3 a game and made 1. He rebounds well and can shoot, but that is not what we need on this team.

And this year his averages are down to .298 on the 3 ball. Plus he is already 30. Reality is telling me he peaked the last two years, especially his first year on the Hawks and now its going to be a slow decline. That's is a very poor choice to throw a large paycheck at.

There must be a good SG/SF shooter that this team really, desperately needs. Batum is a name I see. I don't watch enough of other teams to be honest to really know whats going on free agency wise. But it is absolutely not Horford.

Are you talking about Millsap or Horford?

[Snakebites]

I am against Horford for a lot of reasons.

He never shot the 3 ball in Utah. Look at his stats. He was shooting on average less than one a game, actually less than .5 a game on average. for 7 years. Then for 2 years he shot 3 a game and made 1. He rebounds well and can shoot, but that is not what we need on this team.

And this year his averages are down to .298 on the 3 ball. Plus he is already 30. Reality is telling me he peaked the last two years, especially his first year on the Hawks and now its going to be a slow decline. That's is a very poor choice to throw a large paycheck at.

There must be a good SG/SF shooter that this team really, desperately needs. Batum is a name I see. I don't watch enough of other teams to be honest to really know whats going on free agency wise. But it is absolutely not Horford.

Are you talking about Millsap or Horford?

Lol....

[edmunder_prc]

I am against Horford for a lot of reasons.

He never shot the 3 ball in Utah. Look at his stats. He was shooting on average less than one a game, actually less than .5 a game on average. for 7 years. Then for 2 years he shot 3 a game and made 1. He rebounds well and can shoot, but that is not what we need on this team.

And this year his averages are down to .298 on the 3 ball. Plus he is already 30. Reality is telling me he peaked the last two years, especially his first year on the Hawks and now its going to be a slow decline. That's is a very poor choice to throw a large paycheck at.

There must be a good SG/SF shooter that this team really, desperately needs. Batum is a name I see. I don't watch enough of other teams to be honest to really know whats going on free agency wise. But it is absolutely not Horford.

Are you talking about Millsap or Horford?

Lol....

Doh!

Lets just pretend my idiocy didn't happen.

[ImHeisenberg]

Seems to be a few threads lately about "upgrades" and "changes". Does anyone believe in a "Lets see what we actually have" approach?

We will have the rest of the season to do that. I don't think any major moves will be made this season.

I am in agreement. I don't think they can trade Jennings and bring back a player that will help us on the floor more than he already will.

[bballnmike]

Are you talking about Millsap or Horford?

Lol....

Doh!

Lets just pretend my idiocy didn't happen.

Heh so would you be in favor of Horford, or still no?

[Snakebites]

Seems to be a few threads lately about "upgrades" and "changes". Does anyone believe in a "Lets see what we actually have" approach?

We will have the rest of the season to do that. I don't think any major moves will be made this season.

I am in agreement. I don't think they can trade Jennings and bring back a player that will help us on the floor more than he already will.

Yeah, I'm not even necessarily saying we shouldn't be open to making significant changes during the season. I just don't think we're in a position to be able to do so.

[edmunder_prc]

Lol....

Doh!

Lets just pretend my idiocy didn't happen.

Heh so would you be in favor of Horford, or still no?

So I watched the Hawks Knicks game today to check out Horford, not Milisap.

Dude is a straight baller. I think the 8 assists were not normal production from him though. He isn't quite the 3 point shooter than Ersan or Tolliver is though. Doesn't really seem to want that to be his whole game. He if he came to the Pistons he would have to change him game to make sure he is out of the way of Reggie/Dre PnR. Not sure he wants to do that after a decade in the league.

[Canadafan]

Durant 1st. Slide Marcus to PF. Re sign Drummond and Jennings. Done. The end.

[bballnmike]

Doh!

Lets just pretend my idiocy didn't happen.

Heh so would you be in favor of Horford, or still no?

So I watched the Hawks Knicks game today to check out Horford, not Milisap.

Dude is a straight baller. I think the 8 assists were not normal production from him though. He isn't quite the 3 point shooter than Ersan or Tolliver is though. Doesn't really seem to want that to be his whole game. He if he came to the Pistons he would have to change him game to make sure he is out of the way of Reggie/Dre PnR. Not sure he wants to do that after a decade in the league.

Right he's not gonna be a huge 3 pt shooter, but he can certainly stretch the floor enough to keep teams honest, which is I think enough. A stretch 4 who doesn't only bomb 3s. One thing I've read a lot is how he's always viewed himself as more of a PF than a center, but usually has to play the 5 out of necessity, first with Josh Smith at the 4 and now with Millsap, although they're more interchangeable.

So maybe that'd be reason for him to come here, with Drummond there's no question Horford would get his preferred position plus a little backup 5, and we might see even more of his outside game. Also not having to bang in the post as much could maybe help keep him fresher since he is a little older.

[Snakebites]

Al Horford doesn't hit threes, and its unlikely it will ever be part of his game.

He's a decent floor spacer though. You really only absolutely need a 3 point shot to be a floor spacer if you're a perimeter player to begin with. Horford's mid range jumper is enough of a threat to draw defenders out. Plus, he does hit threes at times.

I've been touting the 3 pointer horn as much as anyone in these parts, but it's getting a tad out of control if we're saying Horford is a bad fit just because he doesn't hit the three. There's a short list of viable starting power forwards that hit three pointers. That can't be a make or break criteria, not when we're talking about a player who's a solid fit and has an impressive track record of consistency.

Its a moot point because we won't get him.

[Zombiesonics]

I think a second playmaker is needed on the pistons. I hate kcp's shot selection, but i'm not sure its all his fault, it seems like SVG is attempting to turn him into a 3rd banana ( lots of plays run for him , he is one of these least efficient starters in the nba) Instead of just a 3+D guy.

[ImHeisenberg]

Yeah, I'm not even necessarily saying we shouldn't be open to making significant changes during the season. I just don't think we're in a position to be able to do so.

Same here. I'm completely open to roster moves, this team is a far cry away from being where it wants to be. But, we really don't have many assets to make a big move. And, I haven't even heard murmurs of any impact players possibly being on the trading block in any capacity.