Trade Deadline Countdown....January 2016

[Saberestar]

DAL gets Chandler
MIN gets Parsons
PHX gets Pekovic/Shabazz

Simple. Dal gets the C they had from their Championship Team back. Wolves get an instant upgrade at SF (Currently starting Prince). I think Rubio can get Parsons back to the player he was in Houston easily. Suns get a serviceable C (Once he returns from his injury) that can rebound and play D (Both things Chandler was supposed to provide), and take a flyer on Shabazz.

Pekovic and Asik are pobrably the more overpaid players in the entire NBA. I want to trade Chandler for a decent/good player or an expiring and a pick.

[Kerrsed]

DAL gets Chandler
MIN gets Parsons
PHX gets Pekovic/Shabazz

Simple. Dal gets the C they had from their Championship Team back. Wolves get an instant upgrade at SF (Currently starting Prince). I think Rubio can get Parsons back to the player he was in Houston easily. Suns get a serviceable C (Once he returns from his injury) that can rebound and play D (Both things Chandler was supposed to provide), and take a flyer on Shabazz.

Pekovic and Asik are pobrably the more overpaid players in the entire NBA. I want to trade Chandler for a decent/good player or an expiring and a pick.

If you are expecting a good player or expiring AND a pick then you are living in a dream world. Chandler wasnt worth all that much at the start of the season, and his value has been plummeting everyday that passes. Most looked at him as a bad contract when it was given to him. Now seeing his play the past month, its a horrible contract.

Yes, i do believe that just like Morris, Chandlers play and his stats will pick up miraculously, turning him into an asset, but teams dont care, they judge them by what they are currently doing. Your only as good as your last game.

[Saberestar]

DAL gets Chandler
MIN gets Parsons
PHX gets Pekovic/Shabazz

Simple. Dal gets the C they had from their Championship Team back. Wolves get an instant upgrade at SF (Currently starting Prince). I think Rubio can get Parsons back to the player he was in Houston easily. Suns get a serviceable C (Once he returns from his injury) that can rebound and play D (Both things Chandler was supposed to provide), and take a flyer on Shabazz.

Pekovic and Asik are pobrably the more overpaid players in the entire NBA. I want to trade Chandler for a decent/good player or an expiring and a pick.

If you are expecting a good player or expiring AND a pick then you are living in a dream world. Chandler wasnt worth all that much at the start of the season, and his value has been plummeting everyday that passes. Most looked at him as a bad contract when it was given to him. Now seeing his play the past month, its a horrible contract.

Yes, i do believe that just like Morris, Chandlers play and his stats will pick up miraculously, turning him into an asset, but teams dont care, they judge them by what they are currently doing. Your only as good as your last game.

Well, I don't think he has negative value around the league. A decent and realistic trade can be David Lee and the Celtics protected pick (probably around #18) for Chandler.

[Saberestar]

Sullinger shrugs off being sent to bench. "It's what coach wants."

Jared Sullinger is an interesting option...I know that he is gonna be paid but he has been playing good defense this year and he is one of the best rebounders in the league. He is worse offensively this year, but he has good touch and can play PF or C.

Next year, after trading Markieff and Chandler, we can have on our frontcourt Sullinger, Len and Simmons/Ingram. Three completely different players to rotate for the majority of the minutes.

[NavLDO]

Sullinger shrugs off being sent to bench. "It's what coach wants."

Jared Sullinger is an interesting option...I know that he is gonna be paid but he has been playing good defense this year and he is one of the best rebounders in the league. He is worse offensively this year, but he has good touch and can play PF or C.

Next year, after trading Markieff and Chandler, we can have on our frontcourt Sullinger, Len and Simmons/Ingram. Three completely different players to rotate for the majority of the minutes.

I'm down. I've wanted Sullinger for over a year now. Many here are not fans; see him as fat and slow, I don't think that's that large, but his weight could become a problem if not held in check.

But he's young, plays decent D, as you said, and is a good rebounder. He can shoot the 3 from time to time, but is not one that can be counted on to be a true stretch 4. And I don't watch enough of the Celtics to notice, but here, he could pay some 5 for us. I say this, because can be tough inside, and with his weight, he certainly wouldn't get pushed around very easily. But again, not sure if he's been used that way at all.

Anyway, yes, he's a guy I'd love to come in, but only if Kieff is on his way out; don't want him being a bad influence and 'ruining' Sullinger.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Brooklyn, Denver, Minnesota are going to be tough tank competitors for the 3rd pick.

[rsavaj]

You want salary dumps? There is one obvious one available for the Suns.

Kieff and Chandler for Joe Johnson

Brooklyn gets humans who have contracts to play basketball and the Suns tank and hope they win the lottery and are somehow attractive to FAs this offseason.

I hate the trade but it might honestly be where we're at as a franchise.

Kieff/Tucker/Chandler works and clears even more money off the books

[AtheJ415]

Add a solid pf next to chandler and he will prove that he's worth his paycheck.. I think with kieff Not acting like a pussy chandler would look awesome. This guy is Not the Problem of this team

Both Tele and Leuer have been solid. They have higher WS/48's than Kieff does in Kieff's prime (last year's numbers, not this year's), despite the team sucking, meaning we have fewer wins to share. Kieff in his prime was a monster mid range player and decent defender. His passing was really good when he wanted to pass. That said, Leuer and Tele kill it from deep and that is every bit as valuable, and Leuer has been a decent defender as well.

The PF spot is not the problem with this team. We replaced Kieff with 2 capable guys who are outperforming what he used to bring. Our problem is chemistry, leadership, and everything that goes into having a good culture being absent. Chandler is a big part of that problem imo. He was signed specifically to be that leader, and the team has ALREADY given up on each other and the coach. That's bad leadership, and he certainly isn't leading by example out there with his lazy help D.

[AtheJ415]

You want salary dumps? There is one obvious one available for the Suns.

Kieff and Chandler for Joe Johnson

Brooklyn gets humans who have contracts to play basketball and the Suns tank and hope they win the lottery and are somehow attractive to FAs this offseason.

I hate the trade but it might honestly be where we're at as a franchise.

Kieff/Tucker/Chandler works and clears even more money off the books

I would like to get something for these guys, but if it came down to it and that was no longer a reality, I'd rather move them for expirings just to get rid of them. I see all 3 as part of the problem. I don't see how we can be successful with them in leading roles. Tyson is the only one and he's going to need to find the fountain of youth to still be playing when the rest of our team is ready to take that step.

[jredsaz]

You want salary dumps? There is one obvious one available for the Suns.

Kieff and Chandler for Joe Johnson

Brooklyn gets humans who have contracts to play basketball and the Suns tank and hope they win the lottery and are somehow attractive to FAs this offseason.

I hate the trade but it might honestly be where we're at as a franchise.

Kieff/Tucker/Chandler works and clears even more money off the books

Why are we trying to clear cap space? What FA is going to sign with this team, this off-season, after what has happened over the course of the last month?

Given that nearly 3/4 of NBA teams will have max contract space this summer, many of them with winning records and appealing rosters, dumping assets at their lowest value doesn't make any sense and moving Chandler in January for nothing makes zero sense.

[Mulhollanddrive]

We have to fill about 90m in salary next year.

Our best assets make up about 4m of that, there's going to be alot of junk.

[AtheJ415]

You want salary dumps? There is one obvious one available for the Suns.

Kieff and Chandler for Joe Johnson

Brooklyn gets humans who have contracts to play basketball and the Suns tank and hope they win the lottery and are somehow attractive to FAs this offseason.

I hate the trade but it might honestly be where we're at as a franchise.

Kieff/Tucker/Chandler works and clears even more money off the books

Why are we trying to clear cap space? What FA is going to sign with this team, this off-season, after what has happened over the course of the last month?

Given that nearly 3/4 of NBA teams will have max contract space this summer, many of them with winning records and appealing rosters, dumping assets at their lowest value doesn't make any sense and moving Chandler in January for nothing makes zero sense.

I agree we probably won't get some star this year, but clearing the cap space still has value. You wouldn't do it for this season, you'd do it for the next few seasons. Also, it gives you the freedom to front-load deals or overspend for young guys who could help us down the line (like a Terrence Jones, Evan Fournier, or Whiteside, although I expect him to go to a better team). Keeping vets who aren't helping us or leading us and simply serve to take minutes from the younger players is pointless. It's clear Hornacek likes them, but they don't seem to like each other or playing with each other or the young guys who are important to our future.

[AtheJ415]

We have to fill about 90m in salary next year.

Our best assets make up about 4m of that, there's going to be alot of junk.

We don't have to though right? I mean I'm fine handing out massive 1 year deals if it came down to it, but we'd be better off keeping the flexibility long-term so anything 2 years or more should be off the table as far as overpays, and if we are under the minimum it just means our entire team gets a raise for the year, which is fine by me.

[carey]

Why is Parsons playing so bad this year?

The first season after microfracture is almost a waste. I would look for him to bounce back next season.

[jredsaz]

Kieff/Tucker/Chandler works and clears even more money off the books

Why are we trying to clear cap space? What FA is going to sign with this team, this off-season, after what has happened over the course of the last month?

Given that nearly 3/4 of NBA teams will have max contract space this summer, many of them with winning records and appealing rosters, dumping assets at their lowest value doesn't make any sense and moving Chandler in January for nothing makes zero sense.

I agree we probably won't get some star this year, but clearing the cap space still has value. You wouldn't do it for this season, you'd do it for the next few seasons. Also, it gives you the freedom to front-load deals or overspend for young guys who could help us down the line (like a Terrence Jones, Evan Fournier, or Whiteside, although I expect him to go to a better team). Keeping vets who aren't helping us or leading us and simply serve to take minutes from the younger players is pointless. It's clear Hornacek likes them, but they don't seem to like each other or playing with each other or the young guys who are important to our future.

That is all well and good but my point remains. A focus on clearing cap space should not be the priority. There are too many teams with cap space to find value. Again, what young players (like Terrence Jones, Evan Fournier, or Whiteside) would choose the Suns in a marketplace where there will be a dozen teams willing to over pay them (many with better situations than PHX).

Chandler is playing better and looks fully healed from that hammy. Let the guy play 25 minutes a game and build his value. Tucker can get back SOMETHING of value. Kieff will be dealt on the 15th for an asset (probably attached to a bad contract).

Trading the three for Joe Johnson is not a good idea.

[TASTIC]

I think a ball-handling SF who can hit the three like Batum is what's needed. Problem is he's likely going to cost the max!

I can see this as being a really solid and balanced starting 5...minus the gaping hole at PF.

Len
?
Batum
Booker
Bledsoe
---
Knight - scoring 6th man/spot starter

Horford would be PERFECT as a stretch 4 and then whatever pick we nab can be eased in.

If they can move Chandler, Kieff and Tucker then we would have room to throw two big deals out at Horford and Batum.

[bwgood77]

I think a ball-handling SF who can hit the three like Batum is what's needed. Problem is he's likely going to cost the max!

I can see this as being a really solid and balanced starting 5...minus the gaping hole at PF.

Len
?
Batum
Booker
Bledsoe
---
Knight - scoring 6th man/spot starter

Horford would be PERFECT as a stretch 4 and then whatever pick we nab can be eased in.

If they can move Chandler, Kieff and Tucker then we would have room to throw two big deals out at Horford and Batum.

So not a big fan of Warren? I don't see why Horford would leave his situation for ours under any cirumstance. I like Batum pretty well, but I don't want to keep holding up Warren.

[TASTIC]

I think a ball-handling SF who can hit the three like Batum is what's needed. Problem is he's likely going to cost the max!

I can see this as being a really solid and balanced starting 5...minus the gaping hole at PF.

Len
?
Batum
Booker
Bledsoe
---
Knight - scoring 6th man/spot starter

Horford would be PERFECT as a stretch 4 and then whatever pick we nab can be eased in.

If they can move Chandler, Kieff and Tucker then we would have room to throw two big deals out at Horford and Batum.

So not a big fan of Warren? I don't see why Horford would leave his situation for ours under any cirumstance. I like Batum pretty well, but I don't want to keep holding up Warren.

Argh duh - I completely forgot him! I do like his game for sure.

I'm not sure if Warren's not better suited to a bench scorer's role, but there's only one way to find out and that's for Hornacek/whoever to play him 32mpg the rest of the season. Then we'll know what we need in the draft and through FA.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Are we good enough for Batum and Horford to make a difference?

I'd argue we were better going into this year and with a (perceived) better added duo of Knight and Chandler.

If we're broke, we need proper-proper fixing.

[No-Man]

Unless there comes a good offer, unrealistic, stay put with Chandler and Knight.
Chandler is easily dumpable during the FA, there are a ton of teams with capspace and not so much talent, some teams are going to fall short and they will want guys to keep competing, Atlanta, Boston, Charlotte, Chicago, Cleveland, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, Milwaukee, etc, are all teams I can see been in the mix, and maybe giving up a 2nd round pick and a lower contract for him.
Same with Knight, if he puts up good stats he might be moveable, and if not the plan next season should be giving him the Jason Terry role and having him as insurance since the situation with Bledsoe injuries could be a problem.

That means that the guys I'd focus on moving are, Teletovic or Leuer, you are not going to retain both and they might sweeten a deal, Morris, obvious, Goodwin, not much room to grow if BBogdanovic comes over, and Tucker, no way you are gonna re-sign him and PO teams might be interested.

I'd aim for whatever is best that I can get for any combination of those guys, pick the best prospect in next years draft, where you'd have at least 3 quality picks and maybe more if you are able to grab some picks in this deadline for those guys, and dump Chandler during the summer.

The focus should be some type of roster like,...

Bledsoe-Knight-Price?
Booker-Bogdanovic
Warren-Weems-wing draft
PF draft-Leuer or Teletovic-Jefferson?
Len-C draft

Plus whoever you might get in those trades and the FA, try to aim for cheap young talent with some upside, see Portland's past offseason.