Is Klay Thompson overrated?

likashing · Post #261 » by **likashing** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 6:45 pm

Mylie10 wrote:Jimmy Butler is an Alpha dog, while Klay is more of an ankle biter.

That.

If I were to start a team from scratch, Bulter gets the nod over Klay.

With Steph, and Iguodala (for Lebron), and Draymond's overall game, Klay is the best fit.

a8bil · Post #262 » by **a8bil** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 6:53 pm

likashing wrote:a8bil's logic is that Butler and George and Dirk have stinker games, while being the alpha on their teams.

Klay has stinker games as at most the #3 guy on the team after Steph and Draymond.

Conclusion Klay is the same level as those guys.

:lol

Reminder: those guys get full attention from their opponents and their best defender.

Any slight attention Klay gets by a half decent defender (Shump?). He disappears the whole series offensively.

And again and again, no one complains on Klay's numbers when he is riding Steph's coattail.

But it's fine, you can believe whatever you want. Have a nice day.

"LOL" I do not think that word means what you think it means. Klay is not our #2? Right. :banghead:

Everyone else who isn't as consistent as Klay gets the "best defender" on them and Klay gets the chumps. That's how you see the world? LOL. Keep making your excuses about your supposed "alpha" and what more consistency they would bring if they were not the "alpha." bunch of rank speculation and fantasy beliefs on your part. What color is the sky in your world?

likashing · Post #263 » by **likashing** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 6:58 pm

a8bil wrote:
likashing wrote:a8bil's logic is that Butler and George and Dirk have stinker games, while being the alpha on their teams.

Klay has stinker games as at most the #3 guy on the team after Steph and Draymond.

Conclusion Klay is the same level as those guys.

:lol

Reminder: those guys get full attention from their opponents and their best defender.

Any slight attention Klay gets by a half decent defender (Shump?). He disappears the whole series offensively.

And again and again, no one complains on Klay's numbers when he is riding Steph's coattail.

But it's fine, you can believe whatever you want. Have a nice day.

"LOL" I do not think that word means what you think it means. Klay is not our #2? Right. Everyone else who isn't as consistent as Klay gets the "best defender" on them and Klay gets the chumps. That's how you see the world? LOL. Keep making your excuses about your supposed "alpha" and what more consistency they would bring if they were not the "alpha." bunch of rank speculation and fantasy beliefs on your part. What color is the sky in your world?

In another thread where people rank the most important players, most people consider Draymond the #2.

Why do you need to :banghead:

when Klay is not considered to be #2 by not just me, but most people?

Dirk/Butler/George being the best player on their team is fantasy/speculation?

My sky is blue. I am sure yours is not.

likashing · Post #264 » by **likashing** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 6:59 pm

Back to the original post's question - "Is Klay overrated?"

He is not...

... Not until someone says he is at Dirk and Paul George level :lol:

510TWSS · Post #265 » by **510TWSS** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 7:00 pm

Drop off defensively earlier should be attributed to his injured back. If his offense suffered, what makes you think his defense didn't suffer as well?

I don't know what the argument is in this thread, but Klay's been on fire lately. He may not be the best SG in the league but so what. He's a top 3-5 player at his position. He can definitely get better. He's a streaky scorer but his % aren't bad so you kinda just have to take the bad with the good when it comes to him.

He's worked hard on limiting his weaknesses the last two years. People need to give him a lot of credit from where he started to what he is now. He's never been a great penetrator and finisher. That's not his game. He has gotten better at this though as evidenced in his modest bump in FTA's. He still may be slightly below average finisher at the rim (haven't checked his %). He's also gotten better as a passer last year. He still looks a bit uncomfortable with his decision making (at times) but that should get better as he gets more comfortable being an initiator of the offense.

Glad he's healthy now though, seemed to be the biggest thing holding him back this year.

likashing · Post #266 » by **likashing** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 7:04 pm

510TWSS wrote:Drop off defensively earlier should be attributed to his injured back. If his offense suffered, what makes you think his defense didn't suffer as well?

I don't know what the argument is in this thread, but Klay's been on fire lately. He may not be the best SG in the league but so what. He's a top 3-5 player at his position. He can definitely get better. He's a streaky scorer but his % aren't bad so you kinda just have to take the bad with the good when it comes to him.

He's worked hard on limiting his weaknesses the last two years. People need to give him a lot of credit from where he started to what he is now. He's never been a great penetrator and finisher. That's not his game. He has gotten better at this though as evidenced in his modest bump in FTA's. He still may be slightly below average finisher at the rim (haven't checked his %). He's also gotten better as a passer last year. He still looks a bit uncomfortable with his decision making (at times) but that should get better as he gets more comfortable being an initiator of the offense.

Glad he's healthy now though, seemed to be the biggest thing holding him back this year.

^ That

Can't say it better. That's pretty much my view on Klay.

I wish he can improve more but he may be who he is. I have been spoiled by Draymond and Steph's big improvements.

tasball · Post #267 » by **tasball** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 7:40 pm

likashing wrote:
510TWSS wrote:Drop off defensively earlier should be attributed to his injured back. If his offense suffered, what makes you think his defense didn't suffer as well?

I don't know what the argument is in this thread, but Klay's been on fire lately. He may not be the best SG in the league but so what. He's a top 3-5 player at his position. He can definitely get better. He's a streaky scorer but his % aren't bad so you kinda just have to take the bad with the good when it comes to him.

He's worked hard on limiting his weaknesses the last two years. People need to give him a lot of credit from where he started to what he is now. He's never been a great penetrator and finisher. That's not his game. He has gotten better at this though as evidenced in his modest bump in FTA's. He still may be slightly below average finisher at the rim (haven't checked his %). He's also gotten better as a passer last year. He still looks a bit uncomfortable with his decision making (at times) but that should get better as he gets more comfortable being an initiator of the offense.

Glad he's healthy now though, seemed to be the biggest thing holding him back this year.

^ That

Can't say it better. That's pretty much my view on Klay.

I wish he can improve more but he may be who he is. I have been spoiled by Draymond and Steph's big improvements.

Yeah its like being George Harrison in the Beatles (Curry=McCartney and Green=Lennon)

East Bay Sports · Post #268 » by **East Bay Sports** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:36 pm

tasball wrote:
likashing wrote:
510TWSS wrote:Drop off defensively earlier should be attributed to his injured back. If his offense suffered, what makes you think his defense didn't suffer as well?

I don't know what the argument is in this thread, but Klay's been on fire lately. He may not be the best SG in the league but so what. He's a top 3-5 player at his position. He can definitely get better. He's a streaky scorer but his % aren't bad so you kinda just have to take the bad with the good when it comes to him.

He's worked hard on limiting his weaknesses the last two years. People need to give him a lot of credit from where he started to what he is now. He's never been a great penetrator and finisher. That's not his game. He has gotten better at this though as evidenced in his modest bump in FTA's. He still may be slightly below average finisher at the rim (haven't checked his %). He's also gotten better as a passer last year. He still looks a bit uncomfortable with his decision making (at times) but that should get better as he gets more comfortable being an initiator of the offense.

Glad he's healthy now though, seemed to be the biggest thing holding him back this year.

^ That

Can't say it better. That's pretty much my view on Klay.

I wish he can improve more but he may be who he is. I have been spoiled by Draymond and Steph's big improvements.

Yeah its like being George Harrison in the Beatles (Curry=McCartney and Green=Lennon)

Except George was the greatest Beatle 8-)

ILOVEIT · Post #269 » by **ILOVEIT** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 9:10 pm

This is crazy...I thought a while back...if Lee becomes the third best player on the team Warriors would be championship level. Now he couldn't even make the team lol.
Now Curry is tops....Draymond Green....THEN Klay Thompson...
The next player to rise to the top is going to be Ian Clark, IMO. I see him as the future backup point guard/two guard.

Phase 3 · Post #270 » by **Phase 3** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 9:19 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:This is crazy...I thought a while back...if Lee becomes the third best player on the team Warriors would be championship level. Now he couldn't even make the team lol.
Now Curry is tops....Draymond Green....THEN Klay Thompson...
The next player to rise to the top is going to be Ian Clark, IMO. I see him as the future backup point guard/two guard.

Barnes is the next guy in line IMO. He looked like he was taking a leap at the beginning of the year until he got hurt. Whether he realizes his full potential with the Warriors is the real question(with his impending free agency on the horizon).

a8bil · Post #271 » by **a8bil** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 10:36 pm

likashing wrote:
a8bil wrote:
likashing wrote:a8bil's logic is that Butler and George and Dirk have stinker games, while being the alpha on their teams.

Klay has stinker games as at most the #3 guy on the team after Steph and Draymond.

Conclusion Klay is the same level as those guys.

:lol

Reminder: those guys get full attention from their opponents and their best defender.

Any slight attention Klay gets by a half decent defender (Shump?). He disappears the whole series offensively.

And again and again, no one complains on Klay's numbers when he is riding Steph's coattail.

But it's fine, you can believe whatever you want. Have a nice day.

"LOL" I do not think that word means what you think it means. Klay is not our #2? Right. Everyone else who isn't as consistent as Klay gets the "best defender" on them and Klay gets the chumps. That's how you see the world? LOL. Keep making your excuses about your supposed "alpha" and what more consistency they would bring if they were not the "alpha." bunch of rank speculation and fantasy beliefs on your part. What color is the sky in your world?

In another thread where people rank the most important players, most people consider Draymond the #2.

Why do you need to when Klay is not considered to be #2 by not just me, but most people?

Dirk/Butler/George being the best player on their team is fantasy/speculation?

My sky is blue. I am sure yours is not.

Your ability to miss and misconstrue facts is quite impressive. A thread about Draymond being the 2nd most important player on the team, neither means he is actually the 2nd most important player, nor does it mean that Draymond draws the 2nd most defensive attention...which is the point if you missed it (I know you didn't miss it, you're just changing your position because it was foolish to start with). But don't let logic or facts get in your way. They haven't so far.

How about fantasy/speculation that Butler or George would become more consistent/efficient in another context? You have no basis for the assertion. Are you saying Rose and Gasol draw no defensive attention? You have no FACTS to support your position--its pure conjecture.

a8bil · Post #272 » by **a8bil** » Wed Jan 6, 2016 6:16 am

Klay making a lot posters look silly...LOL

Coxy · Post #273 » by **Coxy** » Wed Jan 6, 2016 6:28 am

tasball wrote:
likashing wrote:
510TWSS wrote:Drop off defensively earlier should be attributed to his injured back. If his offense suffered, what makes you think his defense didn't suffer as well?

I don't know what the argument is in this thread, but Klay's been on fire lately. He may not be the best SG in the league but so what. He's a top 3-5 player at his position. He can definitely get better. He's a streaky scorer but his % aren't bad so you kinda just have to take the bad with the good when it comes to him.

He's worked hard on limiting his weaknesses the last two years. People need to give him a lot of credit from where he started to what he is now. He's never been a great penetrator and finisher. That's not his game. He has gotten better at this though as evidenced in his modest bump in FTA's. He still may be slightly below average finisher at the rim (haven't checked his %). He's also gotten better as a passer last year. He still looks a bit uncomfortable with his decision making (at times) but that should get better as he gets more comfortable being an initiator of the offense.

Glad he's healthy now though, seemed to be the biggest thing holding him back this year.

^ That

Can't say it better. That's pretty much my view on Klay.

I wish he can improve more but he may be who he is. I have been spoiled by Draymond and Steph's big improvements.

Yeah its like being George Harrison in the Beatles (Curry=McCartney and Green=Lennon)

Is Mo Ringo?

likashing · Post #274 » by **likashing** » Wed Jan 6, 2016 6:35 am

a8bil wrote:Klay making a lot posters look silly...LOL

Happy to look silly and be proved wrong by Klay. With this version of Klay we are winning the 2nd ring.

tasball · Post #275 » by **tasball** » Thu Jan 7, 2016 6:47 am

East Bay Sports wrote:
tasball wrote:
likashing wrote:
^ That

Can't say it better. That's pretty much my view on Klay.

I wish he can improve more but he may be who he is. I have been spoiled by Draymond and Steph's big improvements.

Yeah its like being George Harrison in the Beatles (Curry=McCartney and Green=Lennon)

Except George was the greatest Beatle

Ha ha - yeah my favourite as well.

tasball · Post #276 » by **tasball** » Thu Jan 7, 2016 6:49 am

Coxy wrote:
tasball wrote:
likashing wrote:
^ That

Can't say it better. That's pretty much my view on Klay.

I wish he can improve more but he may be who he is. I have been spoiled by Draymond and Steph's big improvements.

Yeah its like being George Harrison in the Beatles (Curry=McCartney and Green=Lennon)

Is Mo Ringo?

I reckon Iggy is Ringo.

East Bay Sports · Post #277 » by **East Bay Sports** » Thu Jan 7, 2016 1:50 pm

Barnes is Ringo. As in, he is fine at what he does, but pretty much anyone could have been the drummer for that band.

michaelm · Post #278 » by **michaelm** » Thu Jan 7, 2016 2:32 pm

East Bay Sports wrote:Barnes is Ringo. As in, he is fine at what he does, but pretty much anyone could have been the drummer for that band.

What is definitely the case is that the Beatles were a great band with Ringo, and that the Ws were a championship caliber team with Barnes, with an important contribution from him on a very low salary in comparison to what it will cost to replace him, or it would seem to keep him.

It will obviously never be now shown that the Beatles could Be great without Ringo, and I personally would wait for the Ws to win a championship without Barnes before discounting him myself.

Absolutely reasonable not to want to pay him the same salary as Kevin Durant on what he has thus far displayed, but I for one am grateful for what he has contributed particularly to the small ball squad which did the terminating in the play-offs last season.

East Bay Sports · Post #279 » by **East Bay Sports** » Thu Jan 7, 2016 2:38 pm

michaelm wrote:
East Bay Sports wrote:Barnes is Ringo. As in, he is fine at what he does, but pretty much anyone could have been the drummer for that band.

What is definitely the case is that the Beatles were a great band with Ringo, and that the Ws were a championship caliber team with Barnes, with an important contribution from him on a very low salary in comparison to what it will cost him, or it would seem to keep him.

It will obviously never be now shown that the Beatles could Be great without Ringo, and I personally would wait for the Ws to win a championship without Barnes before discounting him myself.

Absolutely reasonable not to want to pay him the same salary as Kevin Durant on what he has thus far didplayed, but I for one am grateful for what he has contribute particularly to the small ball squad which did the terminating in the play-offs last season.

My comment was partially tongue in cheek because I have come around quite a bit on Barnes during the playoffs last season and seeing his improvement coming into this season. I still think there are quite a few swingmen we could have replaced him with and won the title/win the title this season. Not saying we can just remove him from the roster and be fine.

michaelm · Post #280 » by **michaelm** » Thu Jan 7, 2016 2:47 pm

East Bay Sports wrote:
michaelm wrote:
East Bay Sports wrote:Barnes is Ringo. As in, he is fine at what he does, but pretty much anyone could have been the drummer for that band.

What is definitely the case is that the Beatles were a great band with Ringo, and that the Ws were a championship caliber team with Barnes, with an important contribution from him on a very low salary in comparison to what it will cost him, or it would seem to keep him.

It will obviously never be now shown that the Beatles could Be great without Ringo, and I personally would wait for the Ws to win a championship without Barnes before discounting him myself.

Absolutely reasonable not to want to pay him the same salary as Kevin Durant on what he has thus far didplayed, but I for one am grateful for what he has contribute particularly to the small ball squad which did the terminating in the play-offs last season.

My comment was partially tongue in cheek because I have come around quite a bit on Barnes during the playoffs last season and seeing his improvement coming into this season. I still think there are quite a few swingmen we could have replaced him with and won the title/win the title this season. Not saying we can just remove him from the roster and be fine.

There is certainly one guy who could fill his role, but they already have him playing center in the small ball squad.

Replacing him as a starter is not such a problem, I agree.
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