Official Draft Thread 2015-16

[Stadium5]

Random... But I have a weird thing with not being high on college juniors and seniors entering the draft. Especially nowadays. If you're that good, you'd be gone no later than your sophomore season. Of course you'd find a few exceptions, but not a lot nowadays. 22 year olds have an advantage in college. Which is why I'll pass on Dunn more than most people.

Definitely something to this

I thought Deandre Kane was a quality player that could at least land on a team if the likes of Pressey can get rostered. But apparently not

Well seniors are one thing but Kane was like 25 at the draft. That's like a solid masters degree.

Oh damn huh. Yea that would explain it. Even still, I hardly feel like he'd be the worst player in the league.

[165bows]

Random... But I have a weird thing with not being high on college juniors and seniors entering the draft. Especially nowadays. If you're that good, you'd be gone no later than your sophomore season. Of course you'd find a few exceptions, but not a lot nowadays. 22 year olds have an advantage in college. Which is why I'll pass on Dunn more than most people.

Definitely something to this

I thought Deandre Kane was a quality player that could at least land on a team if the likes of Pressey can get rostered. But apparently not

Dunn is 3 years younger than Kane as a senior, so that should factor in. His steal and block numbers at the guard spot are hard to ignore. A truly explosive player, not just a solid athlete with skill like Kane.

Denzel Valentine another guy who is impossible to ignore even with age. Combining highly accurate volume shooting with elite playmaking and rebounding and excellent BBIQ on both ends - got me drooling.

Buddy Hield another guy who looks great. The massive senior year spike in shooting efficiency has to be discounted a bit, but he was already a pretty well-rounded role-player prospect - the ability to add so much to his game in year 4 is intriguing. Speaks to a Jimmy Butler type trajectory.

The hoopsanalyst.com guy (Ed something I think) had a few good notes about seniors. I don't remember all of them but things like 'did they play really well in small roles as underclassmen,' were they initially out of position because of older players, were they young for their class etc. All helpful IMO.

One reason draftexpress is good because they have the actual ages, a senior could be 21 or 25 and it does make a big difference.

I do like the upperclassmen in this draft, Demetrious Jackson is a guy that has been pretty much always really good but now is getting a bigger role. AJ Hammons and Shawn Long that you mentioned seem like they could find a role somewhere as well as a few other guys. Ed Isaacson from nbadraftblog.com is pretty sharp and he was pretty high on the older talent also.

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Definitely something to this

I thought Deandre Kane was a quality player that could at least land on a team if the likes of Pressey can get rostered. But apparently not

Well seniors are one thing but Kane was like 25 at the draft. That's like a solid masters degree.

Oh damn huh. Yea that would explain it. Even still, I hardly feel like he'd be the worst player in the league.

Yeah wouldn't shock me too much if he got at least a look again at some point coming back from Europe or wherever. Probably PG numbers crunch hurts him I'd guess.

[CelticsPride18]

If we fall to the 4 pick in the draft would you draft Dunn or trade it?

[Homerclease]

If we fall to the 4 pick in the draft would you draft Dunn or trade it?

Who went top 3 in this scenario? Simmons, Ingram and ??

[CelticsPride18]

If we fall to the 4 pick in the draft would you draft Dunn or trade it?

Who went top 3 in this scenario? Simmons, Ingram and ??

Bender

[Homerclease]

If we fall to the 4 pick in the draft would you draft Dunn or trade it?

Who went top 3 in this scenario? Simmons, Ingram and ??

Bender

Personally I'd look to trade down a couple slots and try to grab Rabb or Poeltl. If there's a team out there who really loves Dunn and wants to move up then I'd listen. Otherwise I'd draft a big guy at 4 over Dunn.

[CelticsPride18]

Who went top 3 in this scenario? Simmons, Ingram and ??

Bender

Personally I'd look to trade down a couple slots and try to grab Rabb or Poeltl. If there's a team out there who really loves Dunn and wants to move up then I'd listen. Otherwise I'd draft a big guy at 4 over Dunn.

Im really intrigued by Dunn. Another option would be shopping Smart to see his value on draft day.

[165bows]

Who went top 3 in this scenario? Simmons, Ingram and ??

Bender

Personally I'd look to trade down a couple slots and try to grab Rabb or Poeltl. If there's a team out there who really loves Dunn and wants to move up then I'd listen. Otherwise I'd draft a big guy at 4 over Dunn.

A couple of interesting options there. Probably not a popular idea but Denver might only be a couple slots back and has currently #15 from Houston. Could also work something with Gallinari there as well.

They did it in '06 and nabbed Rondo and was a good call. All depends on if they think other teams are overvaluing guys I guess.

[Slartibartfast]

If we fall to the 4 pick in the draft would you draft Dunn or trade it?

I'd be happy with Dunn on this team. A nice combo with Smart if Smart can get his shooting up.

As much as we need a big man, the guard spots aren't set. Smart/AB/IT/Hunter/Rozier are not stars.

[CelticsPride18]

The Dunn and Smart combo would be relentless but the spacing issues are a big problem.

[Edug27]

If we fall to the 4 pick in the draft would you draft Dunn or trade it?

I'd be happy with Dunn on this team. A nice combo with Smart if Smart can get his shooting up.

As much as we need a big man, the guard spots aren't set. Smart/AB/IT/Hunter/Rozier are not stars.

Closer to stars than any other position we have.

And Dunn is far from a cant miss pick. I think you have to see what you have with Rozier, and even smart, before picking Dunn.

[lon3lytoaster]

I'd draft Dunn at 3 or 4. He'd be BPA and would control the team better than our current options. Could be a solid sxorer/playmaker. Bradley or smart would have to go.

[Homerclease]

If we fall to the 4 pick in the draft would you draft Dunn or trade it?

I'd be happy with Dunn on this team. A nice combo with Smart if Smart can get his shooting up.

As much as we need a big man, the guard spots aren't set. Smart/AB/IT/Hunter/Rozier are not stars.

Closer to stars than any other position we have.

Agree with this, the only way Dunn makes sense is if Danny has him head and shoulders above anyone else available and if that's the case I think he has to make a trade so Dunn can get minutes. The celtics frontcourt after this season has more question marks than the guy who writes the book on how to get free money from the government

[Slartibartfast]

If we fall to the 4 pick in the draft would you draft Dunn or trade it?

I'd be happy with Dunn on this team. A nice combo with Smart if Smart can get his shooting up.

As much as we need a big man, the guard spots aren't set. Smart/AB/IT/Hunter/Rozier are not stars.

Closer to stars than any other position we have.

And Dunn is far from a cant miss pick. I think you have to see what you have with Rozier, and even smart, before picking Dunn.

Only Smart has star potential and he can play with Dunn. Rozier's upside is 6th man. IT is a 6th man. Hunter is a spot starter/bench shooter type.

Not saying Dunn is can't miss, but he's very appealing even for a team loaded with guards.

[Homerclease]

Bender

Personally I'd look to trade down a couple slots and try to grab Rabb or Poeltl. If there's a team out there who really loves Dunn and wants to move up then I'd listen. Otherwise I'd draft a big guy at 4 over Dunn.

A couple of interesting options there. Probably not a popular idea but Denver might only be a couple slots back and has currently #15 from Houston. Could also work something with Gallinari there as well.

They did it in '06 and nabbed Rondo and was a good call. All depends on if they think other teams are overvaluing guys I guess.

Exactly. If the celtics could trade back from 4 to 7, come away with a big guy and Gallo I'd be all over it. It came up in the other thread as well but the more I think of it I really want the celtics to pursue Powell in free agency too

[Edug27]

I'd be happy with Dunn on this team. A nice combo with Smart if Smart can get his shooting up.

As much as we need a big man, the guard spots aren't set. Smart/AB/IT/Hunter/Rozier are not stars.

Closer to stars than any other position we have.

And Dunn is far from a cant miss pick. I think you have to see what you have with Rozier, and even smart, before picking Dunn.

Only Smart has star potential and he can play with Dunn. Rozier's upside is 6th man. IT is a 6th man. Hunter is a spot starter/bench shooter type.

Not saying Dunn is can't miss, but he's very appealing even for a team loaded with guards.

So bring Dunn in to potientially play over Rozier and IT? Interesting. Some trades would have to occur for such a pick to remotely make sense... and I'm all for that.

[Slartibartfast]

Closer to stars than any other position we have.

And Dunn is far from a cant miss pick. I think you have to see what you have with Rozier, and even smart, before picking Dunn.

Only Smart has star potential and he can play with Dunn. Rozier's upside is 6th man. IT is a 6th man. Hunter is a spot starter/bench shooter type.

Not saying Dunn is can't miss, but he's very appealing even for a team loaded with guards.

So bring Dunn in to potientially play over Rozier and IT? Interesting. Some trades would have to occur for such a pick to remotely make sense... and I'm all for that.

Yep. I think long-term it's AB vs. Hunter and IT vs. Rozier. If we go win-now, I would imagine we would trade the pick over picking Dunn and stick with IT/AB. If we opt to keep the pick, I think we consider moving AB and IT if Hunter and Rozier look like NBA contributors.

[bucknersrevenge]

I'd be happy with Dunn on this team. A nice combo with Smart if Smart can get his shooting up.

As much as we need a big man, the guard spots aren't set. Smart/AB/IT/Hunter/Rozier are not stars.

Closer to stars than any other position we have.

And Dunn is far from a cant miss pick. I think you have to see what you have with Rozier, and even smart, before picking Dunn.

Only Smart has star potential and he can play with Dunn. Rozier's upside is 6th man. IT is a 6th man. Hunter is a spot starter/bench shooter type.

Not saying Dunn is can't miss, but he's very appealing even for a team loaded with guards.

I feel like you'd have to move at least 2 guards and considering Rozier has no real value yet, to draft Dunn, wouldn't you have to find takers for both Thomas AND Bradley? Stevens would start over in the backcourt with kids. Smart and Dunn as the backcourt and Hunter and Rozier off the bench. That would be a rollercoaster...but never dull.

[Slartibartfast]

Closer to stars than any other position we have.

And Dunn is far from a cant miss pick. I think you have to see what you have with Rozier, and even smart, before picking Dunn.

Only Smart has star potential and he can play with Dunn. Rozier's upside is 6th man. IT is a 6th man. Hunter is a spot starter/bench shooter type.

Not saying Dunn is can't miss, but he's very appealing even for a team loaded with guards.

I feel like you'd have to move at least 2 guards and considering Rozier has no real value yet, to draft Dunn, wouldn't you have to find takers for both Thomas AND Bradley? Stevens would start over in the backcourt with kids. Smart and Dunn as the backcourt and Hunter and Rozier off the bench. That would be a rollercoaster...but never dull.

If I drafted Dunn I'd move IT for sure, but I don't think AB would have to go right away. Still room for a 4th guard in that rotation after AB and Hunter/Rozier could duke it out for the spot, plus with Smart and AB chronic injury guys and back-up SF minutes available with ET gone, there would likey be a decent amount of playing time available for both.

Then look to move AB later if Hunter/Rozier both look like players.