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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#941 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Jan 6, 2016 8:40 pm

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Only Smart has star potential and he can play with Dunn. Rozier's upside is 6th man. IT is a 6th man. Hunter is a spot starter/bench shooter type.

Not saying Dunn is can't miss, but he's very appealing even for a team loaded with guards.


So bring Dunn in to potientially play over Rozier and IT? Interesting. Some trades would have to occur for such a pick to remotely make sense... and I'm all for that.


Yep. I think long-term it's AB vs. Hunter and IT vs. Rozier. If we go win-now, I would imagine we would trade the pick over picking Dunn and stick with IT/AB. If we opt to keep the pick, I think we consider moving AB and IT if Hunter and Rozier look like NBA contributors.


Question becomes, who wants them? Maybe Doc. Does he have anything we want? Who needs a smallish, possibly All-Star PG. I'll admit to being somewhat intrigued about the possibility of a Smart/Dunn backcourt and have thought about it before.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#942 » by Edug27 » Wed Jan 6, 2016 8:43 pm

Here's how I see it for next season...

Fill in the blanks through draft/trade/free agency.

Smart / IT
_____ / Hunter
Crowder / _____
_____ / Olynyk
_____ / Mickey

Trade/Let Go: Bradley, Rozier, Young, Lee's contract, Amir's contract, Jerebko's contract, Sully, Zeller, ET

But of course, it's not as simple.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#943 » by Slartibartfast » Wed Jan 6, 2016 8:46 pm

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So bring Dunn in to potientially play over Rozier and IT? Interesting. Some trades would have to occur for such a pick to remotely make sense... and I'm all for that.


Yep. I think long-term it's AB vs. Hunter and IT vs. Rozier. If we go win-now, I would imagine we would trade the pick over picking Dunn and stick with IT/AB. If we opt to keep the pick, I think we consider moving AB and IT if Hunter and Rozier look like NBA contributors.


Question becomes, who wants them? Maybe Doc. Does he have anything we want? Who needs a smallish, possibly All-Star PG. I'll admit to being somewhat intrigued about the possibility of a Smart/Dunn backcourt and have thought about it before.


I think IT will have a good amount of admirers. The Wizards, Grizzlies and Bulls would all hugely benefit from adding him as a 6th man.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#944 » by Homerclease » Wed Jan 6, 2016 8:52 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:
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Yep. I think long-term it's AB vs. Hunter and IT vs. Rozier. If we go win-now, I would imagine we would trade the pick over picking Dunn and stick with IT/AB. If we opt to keep the pick, I think we consider moving AB and IT if Hunter and Rozier look like NBA contributors.


Question becomes, who wants them? Maybe Doc. Does he have anything we want? Who needs a smallish, possibly All-Star PG. I'll admit to being somewhat intrigued about the possibility of a Smart/Dunn backcourt and have thought about it before.


I think IT will have a good amount of admirers. The Wizards, Grizzlies and Bulls would all hugely benefit from adding him as a 6th man.

Are the celtics in a position to move IT right now though without another consistent scorer?
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#945 » by Stadium5 » Wed Jan 6, 2016 8:57 pm

Homerclease wrote:
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Question becomes, who wants them? Maybe Doc. Does he have anything we want? Who needs a smallish, possibly All-Star PG. I'll admit to being somewhat intrigued about the possibility of a Smart/Dunn backcourt and have thought about it before.


I think IT will have a good amount of admirers. The Wizards, Grizzlies and Bulls would all hugely benefit from adding him as a 6th man.

Are the celtics in a position to move IT right now though without another consistent scorer?

Absolutely. We're not winning anything in the playoffs anyways.

His value is best used for us by trading him since we got him on the cheap. He'll be slower and still extremely undersized when we're competing for real again
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#946 » by Edug27 » Wed Jan 6, 2016 8:59 pm

Stadium5 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
I think IT will have a good amount of admirers. The Wizards, Grizzlies and Bulls would all hugely benefit from adding him as a 6th man.

Are the celtics in a position to move IT right now though without another consistent scorer?

Absolutely. We're not winning anything in the playoffs anyways.

His value is best used for us by trading him since we got him on the cheap. He'll be slower and still extremely undersized when we're competing for real again


I think Danny is a bigger IT fan than we all think. Don't see him being moved so easily.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#947 » by Stadium5 » Wed Jan 6, 2016 8:59 pm

Edug27 wrote:
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Homerclease wrote:Are the celtics in a position to move IT right now though without another consistent scorer?

Absolutely. We're not winning anything in the playoffs anyways.

His value is best used for us by trading him since we got him on the cheap. He'll be slower and still extremely undersized when we're competing for real again


I think Danny is a bigger IT fan than we all think. Don't see him being moved so easily.

No doubt

Ainge has a huge fetish for undersized guards. He's gotta get over it
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#948 » by Ben-N1ce » Wed Jan 6, 2016 9:08 pm

Ainge isn't moving IT and that contract unless they get another top 40ish - 50ish player in return straight up or as a package for a top tier player or young up and comer. I don't see many scenarios. Celtics have no scoring so they would need scoring back..which means the team already has a scorer...
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#949 » by Edug27 » Wed Jan 6, 2016 9:11 pm

Another guy I'm high on is Jaylen Brown. High flyer, explosive, fast, and can create his own shot. He has that Jimmy Butler, Paul George, Westbrook type of vibe to him ... Of course not nearly as polished as those players. I think his shot can improve. Seems it's further along than others at this stage. Very similar to Wiggins I guess. And I'm a big Wiggins guy. Put Wiggins in other systems and he's a better player than the 20 and 3 player he is now.

PG: Smart / IT
SG: Brown / Hunter
SF: Crowder

I can get behind that.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#950 » by Homerclease » Wed Jan 6, 2016 9:16 pm

Stadium5 wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
Stadium5 wrote:Absolutely. We're not winning anything in the playoffs anyways.

His value is best used for us by trading him since we got him on the cheap. He'll be slower and still extremely undersized when we're competing for real again


I think Danny is a bigger IT fan than we all think. Don't see him being moved so easily.

No doubt

Ainge has a huge fetish for undersized guards. He's gotta get over it

He does? He signed Bradley to a cheap contract, stole IT for practically nothing and drafted smart who is hardly undersized as a PG.......I don't understand this position.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#951 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Jan 6, 2016 9:18 pm

Edug27 wrote:Here's how I see it for next season...

Fill in the blanks through draft/trade/free agency.

Smart / IT
_____ / Hunter
Crowder / _____
_____ / Olynyk
_____ / Mickey

Trade/Let Go: Bradley, Rozier, Young, Lee's contract, Amir's contract, Jerebko's contract, Sully, Zeller, ET

But of course, it's not as simple.


Agreed. Would you take a Kris Dunn in that 2 guard spot next to Smart? I'd keep Amir unless I'm certain I can get something good for him and start him and Olynyk. Then maybe a draft pick big or whatever big man we could get in a trade next to Mickey off the bench. I'm not giving IT away but if I can sell high on him I do that.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#952 » by Homerclease » Wed Jan 6, 2016 9:19 pm

Edug27 wrote:Another guy I'm high on is Jaylen Brown. High flyer, explosive, fast, and can create his own shot. He has that Jimmy Butler, Paul George, Westbrook type of vibe to him ... Of course not nearly as polished as those players. I think his shot can improve. Seems it's further along than others at this stage. Very similar to Wiggins I guess. And I'm a big Wiggins guy. Put Wiggins in other systems and he's a better player than the 20 and 3 player he is now.

PG: Smart / IT
SG: Brown / Hunter
SF: Crowder

I can get behind that.

He'd be the best slasher on the roster right away and the celtics could use another guy who can finish consistantly in the paint as well. The shot as you said is a concern, especially for a team that already is struggling from beyond the arc. Although if they played guys like Hunter and Young more perhaps those percentages would improve.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#953 » by Edug27 » Wed Jan 6, 2016 9:20 pm

Homerclease wrote:
Stadium5 wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
I think Danny is a bigger IT fan than we all think. Don't see him being moved so easily.

No doubt

Ainge has a huge fetish for undersized guards. He's gotta get over it

He does? He signed Bradley to a cheap contract, stole IT for practically nothing and drafted smart who is hardly undersized as a PG.......I don't understand this position.


Yea. More like, "PG size without PG skillset. SG skillset without SG size"

But that's not entirely true in every case.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#954 » by Edug27 » Wed Jan 6, 2016 9:24 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:
Edug27 wrote:Here's how I see it for next season...

Fill in the blanks through draft/trade/free agency.

Smart / IT
_____ / Hunter
Crowder / _____
_____ / Olynyk
_____ / Mickey

Trade/Let Go: Bradley, Rozier, Young, Lee's contract, Amir's contract, Jerebko's contract, Sully, Zeller, ET

But of course, it's not as simple.


Agreed. Would you take a Kris Dunn in that 2 guard spot next to Smart? I'd keep Amir unless I'm certain I can get something good for him and start him and Olynyk. Then maybe a draft pick big or whatever big man we could get in a trade next to Mickey off the bench. I'm not giving IT away but if I can sell high on him I do that.


I prefer a SG with more size. Which is why I mentioned J.Brown in a later post. Agree with Amir. I do see Olynyk more as a shooter off the bench. Bring in a PF who can score and you're good to go. Not exactly "fireworks", but an improvement. Add Cousins there and you're onto something.

Smart / IT
Brown / Hunter
Crowder / Young
_____ / Olynyk
Amir / Mickey
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#955 » by Homerclease » Wed Jan 6, 2016 9:25 pm

Edug27 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
Stadium5 wrote:No doubt

Ainge has a huge fetish for undersized guards. He's gotta get over it

He does? He signed Bradley to a cheap contract, stole IT for practically nothing and drafted smart who is hardly undersized as a PG.......I don't understand this position.


Yea. More like, "PG size without PG skillset. SG skillset without SG size"

Those passes he was making against Brooklyn fell into the category of PG skill set for me. I guess I don't feel that Ainge has a fetish for undersized guards, rather he got great value with each player. Bradley was a great value at his draft slot, IT was acquired practically for free and nobody can tell me who the celtics should've drafted instead of Smart.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#956 » by Murta » Wed Jan 6, 2016 9:39 pm

Edug27 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
Stadium5 wrote:No doubt

Ainge has a huge fetish for undersized guards. He's gotta get over it

He does? He signed Bradley to a cheap contract, stole IT for practically nothing and drafted smart who is hardly undersized as a PG.......I don't understand this position.


Yea. More like, "PG size without PG skillset. SG skillset without SG size"


I think Danny sees those types of players as market inefficiency, i.e. least money for same level of on-court production, and that he thinks he can evaluate them better than others since he has good track record as a GM (Tony Allen, Bradley, Thomas, to an extent West) with it and he had been a PG/SG combo.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#957 » by Homerclease » Wed Jan 6, 2016 9:52 pm

Murta wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:He does? He signed Bradley to a cheap contract, stole IT for practically nothing and drafted smart who is hardly undersized as a PG.......I don't understand this position.


Yea. More like, "PG size without PG skillset. SG skillset without SG size"


I think Danny sees those types of players as market inefficiency, i.e. least money for same level of on-court production, and that he thinks he can evaluate them better than others since he has good track record as a GM (Tony Allen, Bradley, Thomas, to an extent West) with it and he had been a PG/SG combo.

I think he sees them as good basketball players. I also think he's correct
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#958 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Wed Jan 6, 2016 11:15 pm

Edug27 wrote:Here's how I see it for next season...

Fill in the blanks through draft/trade/free agency.

Smart / IT
_____ / Hunter
Crowder / _____
_____ / Olynyk
_____ / Mickey

Trade/Let Go: Bradley, Rozier, Young, Lee's contract, Amir's contract, Jerebko's contract, Sully, Zeller, ET

But of course, it's not as simple.


Celtics sign D-Wade, who then calls his buddy Lebron up and convinces him that Boston is exactly like Miami, but with snow.
Ainge trades all of his Nets picks, the Mavs pick, the Grizzlies pick, Smart, Rozier, and Jerebko to New Orleans for Anthony Davis.
Joakim Noah signs for the MLE.
Sully signs with the Cavs and becomes the true hometown hero that Ohio deserves.

IT/Bradley
Wade/Hunter
Lebron/Crowder
Davis/Olynyk/Amir
Noah/Mickey
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#959 » by Edug27 » Wed Jan 6, 2016 11:39 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
Edug27 wrote:Here's how I see it for next season...

Fill in the blanks through draft/trade/free agency.

Smart / IT
_____ / Hunter
Crowder / _____
_____ / Olynyk
_____ / Mickey

Trade/Let Go: Bradley, Rozier, Young, Lee's contract, Amir's contract, Jerebko's contract, Sully, Zeller, ET

But of course, it's not as simple.


Celtics sign D-Wade, who then calls his buddy Lebron up and convinces him that Boston is exactly like Miami, but with snow.
Ainge trades all of his Nets picks, the Mavs pick, the Grizzlies pick, Smart, Rozier, and Jerebko to New Orleans for Anthony Davis.
Joakim Noah signs for the MLE.
Sully signs with the Cavs and becomes the true hometown hero that Ohio deserves.

IT/Bradley
Wade/Hunter
Lebron/Crowder
Davis/Olynyk/Amir
Noah/Mickey


Nah. Wade is breaking down and Noah is washed up. I do like the Bron and AD idea though. You're onto something.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#960 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Thu Jan 7, 2016 12:05 am

Edug27 wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
Edug27 wrote:Here's how I see it for next season...

Fill in the blanks through draft/trade/free agency.

Smart / IT
_____ / Hunter
Crowder / _____
_____ / Olynyk
_____ / Mickey

Trade/Let Go: Bradley, Rozier, Young, Lee's contract, Amir's contract, Jerebko's contract, Sully, Zeller, ET

But of course, it's not as simple.


Celtics sign D-Wade, who then calls his buddy Lebron up and convinces him that Boston is exactly like Miami, but with snow.
Ainge trades all of his Nets picks, the Mavs pick, the Grizzlies pick, Smart, Rozier, and Jerebko to New Orleans for Anthony Davis.
Joakim Noah signs for the MLE.
Sully signs with the Cavs and becomes the true hometown hero that Ohio deserves.

IT/Bradley
Wade/Hunter
Lebron/Crowder
Davis/Olynyk/Amir
Noah/Mickey


Nah. Wade is breaking down and Noah is washed up. I do like the Bron and AD idea though. You're onto something.


No Wade = No Lebron. lol. Anyhow, my initial idea is a result of me working a 12 hour day with only a turkey sandwich to eat during the whole time. Going delusional. Just waiting for someone to tell me how my "prediction" will never turn out. :lol:

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