Drummond Value

[coordinator0]

Wait a minute....people think Sacramento would need to add value to Cousins to trade him for Drummond straight up? Cousins so far superior on offense it more than makes up the difference on defense. And rebounding is fairly close. I'll give the attitude issues. We all know that is a risk with Cousins.

But in no way would, or should, the Kings add picks. Especially not for a guy who is going to be getting a Max deal this summer.

This isn't a knock on Drummond. I'd take him in a heartbeat. But he's getting a Max contract and Cousins is locked up for at least a couple more years on a lower number. That has to be factored in.

I agree that Sacramento shouldn't have to be adding value to trade Cousins for Drummond. Even as a Pistons fan I think he's a better player, but I still wouldn't do it straight up. There isn't a deal to be had here.

As for the contract thing, yeah Drummond will be more expensive for a couple years but then it's very likely that DeMarcus gets a max contract and then will be on a bigger deal than Andre. For a team like Detroit especially I will take that extra cap hit for a couple seasons and ensure Drummond is around for a while longer rather than potentially losing Cousins in two years.

[bondom34]

Wait a minute....people think Sacramento would need to add value to Cousins to trade him for Drummond straight up? Cousins so far superior on offense it more than makes up the difference on defense. And rebounding is fairly close. I'll give the attitude issues. We all know that is a risk with Cousins.

But in no way would, or should, the Kings add picks. Especially not for a guy who is going to be getting a Max deal this summer.

This isn't a knock on Drummond. I'd take him in a heartbeat. But he's getting a Max contract and Cousins is locked up for at least a couple more years on a lower number. That has to be factored in.

I agree that Sacramento shouldn't have to be adding value to trade Cousins for Drummond. Even as a Pistons fan I think he's a better player, but I still wouldn't do it straight up. There isn't a deal to be had here.

As for the contract thing, yeah Drummond will be more expensive for a couple years but then it's very likely that DeMarcus gets a max contract and then will be on a bigger deal than Andre. For a team like Detroit especially I will take that extra cap hit for a couple seasons and ensure Drummond is around for a while longer rather than potentially losing Cousins in two years.

He's signed 2 more years, at which point Drummond will have a couple years extra on his deal but likely not the better player. Its like saying you wouldn't trade for a big upgrade because in 2 years you'll have to pay more while saving for 2 years.

[coordinator0]

He's signed 2 more years, at which point Drummond will have a couple years extra on his deal but likely not the better player. Its like saying you wouldn't trade for a big upgrade because in 2 years you'll have to pay more while saving for 2 years.

It will be three more years since Drummond is getting the 5-year max. Cousins is a more productive/versatile player but it's not like Andre isn't great and still improving himself. He will never get to DeMarcus' level on offense but that's fine. I would definitely go the safer route for Detroit and have the second best center in the league locked up for five years rather than gamble on the best center in the league (who has obvious attitude issues) who will probably leaving after two.

[bondom34]

He's signed 2 more years, at which point Drummond will have a couple years extra on his deal but likely not the better player. Its like saying you wouldn't trade for a big upgrade because in 2 years you'll have to pay more while saving for 2 years.

It will be three more years since Drummond is getting the 5-year max. Cousins is a more productive/versatile player but it's not like Andre isn't great and still improving himself. He will never get to DeMarcus' level on offense but that's fine. I would definitely go the safer route for Detroit and have the second best center in the league locked up for five years rather than gamble on the best center in the league (who has obvious attitude issues) who will probably leaving after two.

There's no guarantee its 3, he could easily ask for an option given how much the cap goes up, and I don't know why Cousins would leave if Detroit was a good spot for him which it probably could be.

That said, the real point was that there's no way in heck the Kings have to add value to get Drummond for Cousins.

[coordinator0]

He's signed 2 more years, at which point Drummond will have a couple years extra on his deal but likely not the better player. Its like saying you wouldn't trade for a big upgrade because in 2 years you'll have to pay more while saving for 2 years.

It will be three more years since Drummond is getting the 5-year max. Cousins is a more productive/versatile player but it's not like Andre isn't great and still improving himself. He will never get to DeMarcus' level on offense but that's fine. I would definitely go the safer route for Detroit and have the second best center in the league locked up for five years rather than gamble on the best center in the league (who has obvious attitude issues) who will probably leaving after two.

There's no guarantee its 3, he could easily ask for an option given how much the cap goes up, and I don't know why Cousins would leave if Detroit was a good spot for him which it probably could be.

That said, the real point was that there's no way in heck the Kings have to add value to get Drummond for Cousins.

I'm feeling pretty confident that Drummond will be on a full five-year deal, but at the same time realize that means nothing. He could have a player option or ETO in there. I'm just going off the Anthony Davis extension/contract.

I fully agree with the point that the Kings wouldn't have to add anything to a Cousins deal. Just that Detroit swapping Drummond for him probably isn't the best idea especially with the way the Pistons seem committed to building around him and Jackson.

It's going to be tough for Sacramento to trade Cousins and get back the value he rightfully deserves, and I don't think they should.

[babyjax13]

Outside of Curry and possibly KAT, he should be the most valuable trade piece in the league. Young, already dominant, and if he starts shooting 50% from the line his scoring average goes from 18ppg to 20ppg.

[bondom34]

@coordinator

Yeah, that's fair. I don't think they should trade him either.

[gom]

DET will want extra value to trade Drummond for Cousins ... and they're right to.

SAC will want extra value to trade Cousins for Drummond ... and they're right to.

These two are, IMHO, hands down, the top two centers in the league already, and they're the ripe old ages of 25 and 22. It's a noble effort by ORL to sneak into the deal and try to steal one of 'em with some of their assets (which I grant you are good ones), but it just aint gonna fly; the cost for either Drummond or Cousins is just too prohibitively high at this point.

Thank you all for the positive criticism, and not just throwing smart ass remarks around to make your point.

A noble effort. Cousins & Drummond are enormous assets to their teams. Getting Sacramento involved is a mistake, so perhaps you could deal for Drummond alone. You may need to get a team with salary involved to balance it out. That team would also have to be compensated. Here is one with Brooklyn. Salaries should work.

Orlando Out: Nikola Vucevic, Victor Oladipo, Aaron Gordon, Mario Hezonja, Jason Smith, one or more 1st picks, all the cash available
Orlando In: Joe Johnson and Andre Drummond

Brooklyn Out: Joe Johnson
Brooklyn In: Joel Anthony, Steve Blake, Jodie Meeks, Brandon Jennings, Ersan Ilyasova or Aron Baynes, Jason Smith, probably a 1st pick from Orlando as compensation too, cash from Orlando to pay off some of the contracts.

Detroit Out: Steve Blake, Joel Anthony, Jodie Meeks, Brandon Jennings, Ersan Ilyasova or Aron Baynes, and Andre Drummond
Detroit In: Nikola Vucevic, Victor Oladipo, Aaron Gordon, Mario Hezonja, Orlando 1st pick

Brooklyn will have to dump 5 roster pieces when they are already likely about to buy out Joe Johnson anyhow (if the season continues as it does). The other players may be picked up on waivers though.

If this doesn't look like a good deal for Orlando, then it should be just about right. That's how much Drummond is worth.

[Cowology]

Not trading Drummond. The entire franchise is being built around him and rightly so. This is a non-starter for Detroit.

[Laimbeer]

Wait a minute....people think Sacramento would need to add value to Cousins to trade him for Drummond straight up? Cousins so far superior on offense it more than makes up the difference on defense. And rebounding is fairly close. I'll give the attitude issues. We all know that is a risk with Cousins.

But in no way would, or should, the Kings add picks. Especially not for a guy who is going to be getting a Max deal this summer.

This isn't a knock on Drummond. I'd take him in a heartbeat. But he's getting a Max contract and Cousins is locked up for at least a couple more years on a lower number. That has to be factored in.

For players at this level, I think I'd rather have the security of a likely long term max deal as opposed to a couple of value years, after which the player could walk.

[bondom34]

Wait a minute....people think Sacramento would need to add value to Cousins to trade him for Drummond straight up? Cousins so far superior on offense it more than makes up the difference on defense. And rebounding is fairly close. I'll give the attitude issues. We all know that is a risk with Cousins.

But in no way would, or should, the Kings add picks. Especially not for a guy who is going to be getting a Max deal this summer.

This isn't a knock on Drummond. I'd take him in a heartbeat. But he's getting a Max contract and Cousins is locked up for at least a couple more years on a lower number. That has to be factored in.

For players at this level, I think I'd rather have the security of a likely long term max deal as opposed to a couple of value years, after which the player could walk.

So essentially you'd trade Harden for Klay.

[Laimbeer]

Wait a minute....people think Sacramento would need to add value to Cousins to trade him for Drummond straight up? Cousins so far superior on offense it more than makes up the difference on defense. And rebounding is fairly close. I'll give the attitude issues. We all know that is a risk with Cousins.

But in no way would, or should, the Kings add picks. Especially not for a guy who is going to be getting a Max deal this summer.

This isn't a knock on Drummond. I'd take him in a heartbeat. But he's getting a Max contract and Cousins is locked up for at least a couple more years on a lower number. That has to be factored in.

For players at this level, I think I'd rather have the security of a likely long term max deal as opposed to a couple of value years, after which the player could walk.

So essentially you'd trade Harden for Klay.

I was just commenting on Smitty's remark that implied Cousins' contract situation was more favorable, not necesasarily who's the better player.

"But he's getting a Max contract and Cousins is locked up for at least a couple more years on a lower number."

[HartfordWhalers]

Clearly, we need a poll on Drummond versus Cousins trade value.

[HartfordWhalers]

Wait a minute....people think Sacramento would need to add value to Cousins to trade him for Drummond straight up? Cousins so far superior on offense it more than makes up the difference on defense. And rebounding is fairly close. I'll give the attitude issues. We all know that is a risk with Cousins.

But in no way would, or should, the Kings add picks. Especially not for a guy who is going to be getting a Max deal this summer.

This isn't a knock on Drummond. I'd take him in a heartbeat. But he's getting a Max contract and Cousins is locked up for at least a couple more years on a lower number. That has to be factored in.

For players at this level, I think I'd rather have the security of a likely long term max deal as opposed to a couple of value years, after which the player could walk.

Agreed. But since Drummond isn't signed yet, I don't think you can apply that.

After all, with the cap jump again after 1 year, taking the q/o and then unrestricted to wherever he wants wouldn't be that risky. And if he is traded, no reason to think he doesn't consider it strongly.

[bondom34]

For players at this level, I think I'd rather have the security of a likely long term max deal as opposed to a couple of value years, after which the player could walk.

So essentially you'd trade Harden for Klay.

I was just commenting on Smitty's remark that implied Cousins' contract situation was more favorable, not necesasarily who's the better player.

"But he's getting a Max contract and Cousins is locked up for at least a couple more years on a lower number."

I don't see a huge difference. You're either getting Cousins cheaper for 2 years or Drummond for 3 years with lower likely production.

[Laimbeer]

Wait a minute....people think Sacramento would need to add value to Cousins to trade him for Drummond straight up? Cousins so far superior on offense it more than makes up the difference on defense. And rebounding is fairly close. I'll give the attitude issues. We all know that is a risk with Cousins.

But in no way would, or should, the Kings add picks. Especially not for a guy who is going to be getting a Max deal this summer.

This isn't a knock on Drummond. I'd take him in a heartbeat. But he's getting a Max contract and Cousins is locked up for at least a couple more years on a lower number. That has to be factored in.

For players at this level, I think I'd rather have the security of a likely long term max deal as opposed to a couple of value years, after which the player could walk.

Agreed. But since Drummond isn't signed yet, I don't think you can apply that.

After all, with the cap jump again after 1 year, taking the q/o and then unrestricted to wherever he wants wouldn't be that risky. And if he is traded, no reason to think he doesn't consider it strongly.

Bah, you have to bring that up? Good point.

There was talk about how the Pistons were delaying it to somehow open more cap for next year - with Dre's buy in. Personally, I think they're playing with fire.

[Laimbeer]

So essentially you'd trade Harden for Klay.

I was just commenting on Smitty's remark that implied Cousins' contract situation was more favorable, not necesasarily who's the better player.

"But he's getting a Max contract and Cousins is locked up for at least a couple more years on a lower number."

I don't see a huge difference. You're either getting Cousins cheaper for 2 years or Drummond for 3 years with lower likely production.

Not sure what you mean by "lower prooduction", but you and many posters rated Drummond the better center in the PC forum. And he's younger with a better attitude to boot.

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[bondom34]

I was just commenting on Smitty's remark that implied Cousins' contract situation was more favorable, not necesasarily who's the better player.

"But he's getting a Max contract and Cousins is locked up for at least a couple more years on a lower number."

I don't see a huge difference. You're either getting Cousins cheaper for 2 years or Drummond for 3 years with lower likely production.

Not sure what you mean by "lower prooduction", but you and many posters rated Drummond the better center in the PC forum. And he's younger with a better attitude to boot.

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For a 2 month span so far, yep. But by a narrow margin and Cousins hasn't been up to his norm to start.

Its no knock on Drummond, but his trade value is clearly below Cousins right now, and I'd think it would be Drummond and a first for Cousins.

[HartfordWhalers]

For players at this level, I think I'd rather have the security of a likely long term max deal as opposed to a couple of value years, after which the player could walk.

Agreed. But since Drummond isn't signed yet, I don't think you can apply that.

After all, with the cap jump again after 1 year, taking the q/o and then unrestricted to wherever he wants wouldn't be that risky. And if he is traded, no reason to think he doesn't consider it strongly.

Bah, you have to bring that up? Good point.

There was talk about how the Pistons were delaying it to somehow open more cap for next year - with Dre's buy in. Personally, I think they're playing with fire.

I'm not so worried about the Pistons playing with fire (maybe a little now that you say it, but they have 4 years of good will to bank on), but any new team? They have no history, no reason to assume he would suddenly be comfortable and want to stay long term there out of 30 possible places. If one of those teams, I would be petrified and it would need to wait until next summer in a sign and trade.

[theBigLip]

Wait a minute....people think Sacramento would need to add value to Cousins to trade him for Drummond straight up? Cousins so far superior on offense it more than makes up the difference on defense. And rebounding is fairly close. I'll give the attitude issues. We all know that is a risk with Cousins.

But in no way would, or should, the Kings add picks. Especially not for a guy who is going to be getting a Max deal this summer.

This isn't a knock on Drummond. I'd take him in a heartbeat. But he's getting a Max contract and Cousins is locked up for at least a couple more years on a lower number. That has to be factored in.

Rebounding isn't close - Drummond is dominant in this area.