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[BadMofoPimp]

Draymond has really proven me wrong. He's going to go down as one of the greatest 2nd round steals with Arenas and Monta.


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Dennis Rodman?

Nobody really remembers that he was a second rounder.

Scouting was different back then I think. A player like Rodman would have been less likely to fall so far in today's NBA.

I'd consider Draymond better than all 3 players honestly.

Better than a multiple NBA Rebound and All-NBA Defensive Team and Defensive Player of the year?

Rodman hardly got off the bench much his first two years. I remember his rookie season. He pushed himself to greatness.

Hell No! He ain't that good. Draymond is a solid player tho. Put him on many teams outside of GSW without Klay and Curry then people would see a Tweening ceiling of All-Star. Rodman was an all-world Dominate NBA player in his prime.

[El Chivo]

I'd like to watch Klay, the real overrated, without Green and Iguodala.

[Snakebites]

Dennis Rodman?

Nobody really remembers that he was a second rounder.

Scouting was different back then I think. A player like Rodman would have been less likely to fall so far in today's NBA.

I'd consider Draymond better than all 3 players honestly.

Better than a multiple NBA Rebound and All-NBA Defensive Team and Defensive Player of the year?

Rodman hardly got off the bench much his first two years. I remember his rookie season. He pushed himself to greatness.

Hell No! He ain't that good. Draymond is a solid player tho. Put him on many teams outside of GSW without Klay and Curry then people would see a Tweening ceiling of All-Star. Rodman was an all-world Dominate NBA player in his prime.

Its completely unfair to compare on the basis of credentials when one of the players you are comparing is 25 years old and the other already had a full career.

Draymond Green was a runner up for defensive player of the year which means its entirely possible, dare I say it likely, he will win one in his career, and whether he does or doesn't, he's definitely on that level. He's also a vastly better scorer and an amazing passer/playmaker with 3 point range. Rodman? He's better at rebounding.

So yeah. I'm good with considering him better. Rodman was better at what he did than Dray, but nothing close to being as well rounded.

[BadMofoPimp]

Nobody really remembers that he was a second rounder.

Scouting was different back then I think. A player like Rodman would have been less likely to fall so far in today's NBA.

I'd consider Draymond better than all 3 players honestly.

Better than a multiple NBA Rebound and All-NBA Defensive Team and Defensive Player of the year?

Rodman hardly got off the bench much his first two years. I remember his rookie season. He pushed himself to greatness.

Hell No! He ain't that good. Draymond is a solid player tho. Put him on many teams outside of GSW without Klay and Curry then people would see a Tweening ceiling of All-Star. Rodman was an all-world Dominate NBA player in his prime.

Its completely unfair to compare on the basis of credentials when one of the players you are comparing is 25 years old and the other already had a full career.

Draymond Green was a runner up for defensive player of the year which means its entirely possible, dare I say it likely, he will win one in his career, and whether he does or doesn't, he's definitely on that level. He's also a vastly better scorer and an amazing passer/playmaker with 3 point range. Rodman? He's better at rebounding.

So yeah. I'm good with considering him better. Rodman was better at what he did than Dray, but nothing close to being as well rounded.

We can agree to disagree, but if I was building a team and had a chance at a shut down Defender in the paint who dominated the boards like Rodman, then anyone can play Center besides him that can shoot and all I have to do is find some Guards. If it was Draymond, I think it would take alot more work to build a team around him. Because, he is a Small Forward who is gifted at a lot of things, but doesn't completely dominate his position like Rodman did to his opponents.

[ComboGuardCity]

Draymond has really proven me wrong. He's going to go down as one of the greatest 2nd round steals with Arenas and Monta.


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Dennis Rodman?

Nobody really remembers that he was a second rounder.

Scouting was different back then I think. A player like Rodman would have been less likely to fall so far in today's NBA.

I'd consider Draymond better than all 3 players honestly.

Yeah I completely forgot about him being drafted in the second round


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[Soca]

Better than a multiple NBA Rebound and All-NBA Defensive Team and Defensive Player of the year?

Rodman hardly got off the bench much his first two years. I remember his rookie season. He pushed himself to greatness.

Hell No! He ain't that good. Draymond is a solid player tho. Put him on many teams outside of GSW without Klay and Curry then people would see a Tweening ceiling of All-Star. Rodman was an all-world Dominate NBA player in his prime.

Its completely unfair to compare on the basis of credentials when one of the players you are comparing is 25 years old and the other already had a full career.

Draymond Green was a runner up for defensive player of the year which means its entirely possible, dare I say it likely, he will win one in his career, and whether he does or doesn't, he's definitely on that level. He's also a vastly better scorer and an amazing passer/playmaker with 3 point range. Rodman? He's better at rebounding.

So yeah. I'm good with considering him better. Rodman was better at what he did than Dray, but nothing close to being as well rounded.

We can agree to disagree, but if I was building a team and had a chance at a shut down Defender in the paint who dominated the boards like Rodman, then anyone can play Center besides him that can shoot and all I have to do is find some Guards. If it was Draymond, I think it would take alot more work to build a team around him. Because, he is a Small Forward who is gifted at a lot of things, but doesn't completely dominate his position like Rodman did to his opponents.

Nothing against Rodman but Draymond is going to be a much better two way player.

[Snakebites]

Its completely unfair to compare on the basis of credentials when one of the players you are comparing is 25 years old and the other already had a full career.

Draymond Green was a runner up for defensive player of the year which means its entirely possible, dare I say it likely, he will win one in his career, and whether he does or doesn't, he's definitely on that level. He's also a vastly better scorer and an amazing passer/playmaker with 3 point range. Rodman? He's better at rebounding.

So yeah. I'm good with considering him better. Rodman was better at what he did than Dray, but nothing close to being as well rounded.

We can agree to disagree, but if I was building a team and had a chance at a shut down Defender in the paint who dominated the boards like Rodman, then anyone can play Center besides him that can shoot and all I have to do is find some Guards. If it was Draymond, I think it would take alot more work to build a team around him. Because, he is a Small Forward who is gifted at a lot of things, but doesn't completely dominate his position like Rodman did to his opponents.

Nothing against Rodman but Draymond is going to be a much better two way player.

Going to be? I'm not even sure we need to rely on continued improvement to say he's better.

[Cowology]

For as much credit as Joe D. got for defending Jordan, Rodman was actually our best matchup. I don't know if he actually get's enough credit what an outstanding defender he was because everybody focuses on his rebounding.

Draymond is certainly the better two-way player. Not hard considering Rodman was strictly one way. But I'm not so sure I wouldn't still take Rodman. I guess it would depend on my team, but I do think Draymonds numbers are a bit inflated due to the team and system, not entirely different from Marion in Phx. Not to say Draymond isn't indeed versatile and a good ball handler, but he wouldn't look quite so good in a different situation.

[Blkbrd671]

For as much credit as Joe D. got for defending Jordan, Rodman was actually our best matchup. I don't know if he actually get's enough credit what an outstanding defender he was because everybody focuses on his rebounding.

Draymond is certainly the better two-way player. Not hard considering Rodman was strictly one way. But I'm not so sure I wouldn't still take Rodman. I guess it would depend on my team, but I do think Draymonds numbers are a bit inflated due to the team and system, not entirely different from Marion in Phx. Not to say Draymond isn't indeed versatile and a good ball handler, but he wouldn't look quite so good in a different situation.

totally agree, Its not like he's not a great player, but lets stop acting like playing on the GSW and that system has anything to do with it. I think what gives him the most value is the ability to guard the 1-5 positions. Literally gives coaches one less match up to worry about and flexibility in rotations and creating mismatches.

[MrBigShot]

Honestly he's proving that he's a very good (not great, but very good) player independent of the system and players around him. Even without Curry he's put together perennial all star caliber performances.

Last year he may have been a tad overrated. People thought the notion of giving him a max contract was too much, and rightfully so. But now? The versatility and intangibles he brings are max player worthy. Scores efficiently, can stretch the floor (though his 3pt% will fall), rebounds, excellent playmaker for his position, very good defensive player.

He's got an argument for MIP imo.

[Swift21]

lol you guys are so biased. Draymond is developing into a great two way player. No way would I take Rodman over him.

[zeebneeb]

lol you guys are so biased. Draymond is developing into a great two way player. No way would I take Rodman over him.

What a great concise argument you have there. Romans only perhaps the games greatest rebounder and defender of all time as well as helping teams win titles wherever he went and performing wherever he went.

Ahh to be young again. No knowledge of previous events or cares.

[thesack12]

If we are factoring in surrounding cast, we can't forget that Rodman played on several historically good defensive TEAMS. Sure he played a huge part in those teams being so good defensively but he had plenty of help. The "bad boys" era is well documented. During his time in Chicago he also had help from a couple guys named Michael and Scottie who weren't too shabby defenders themselves. He also benefitted from GREAT coaching for the majority of his career.

Rodman was a complete non factor on offense. He wasn't even too good with putbacks, which if he was that would have served him greatly because he was such a skilled offensive rebounder.

As for Green, he's still young and is showing that he is still on the incline of a growth pattern as a player. He's the epitome of a do it all type. And he's proving to be a very good playmaker. If you are a solid playmaker, your game usually translates well regardless of where you are or who is around you.

Right now its so hard to choose who is the bigger 2nd round steal/who is better/who you would rather have. Namely because as Snakebites mentioned Rodman is a completely known commodity and Green has only played 3.5 seasons in the NBA.

[tmorgan]

Rodman was a complete non factor on offense. He wasn't even too good with putbacks, which if he was that would have served him greatly because he was such a skilled offensive rebounder.

That's incredibly inaccurate, sack. Rodman was a great offensive rebounder (more possessions = more chances = better offense) that usually didn't put up crap putbacks and instead kicked it out. Rodman was a good passer as well, as the ball didn't stick in his hands under any circumstance. He didn't take bad shots too often, he ran the floor well in transition, and knew his role in team offense.

He was, in a lot of ways, like a Big Ben that didn't stay in the paint all the time. If you left him alone, he'd cut and get open, so his man had to remain aware and active and couldn't double off him without risk. As a younger player, he ran all game, non-stop, which definitely tired out the opposition. Certainly he didn't spread the floor at all, and he wasn't a "good" offensive player, but "complete non factor" is just not true.

[thesack12]

Rodman was a complete non factor on offense. He wasn't even too good with putbacks, which if he was that would have served him greatly because he was such a skilled offensive rebounder.

That's incredibly inaccurate, sack. Rodman was a great offensive rebounder (more possessions = more chances = better offense) that usually didn't put up crap putbacks and instead kicked it out. Rodman was a good passer as well, as the ball didn't stick in his hands under any circumstance. He didn't take bad shots too often, he ran the floor well in transition, and knew his role in team offense.

He was, in a lot of ways, like a Big Ben that didn't stay in the paint all the time. If you left him alone, he'd cut and get open, so his man had to remain aware and active and couldn't double off him without risk. As a younger player, he ran all game, non-stop, which definitely tired out the opposition. Certainly he didn't spread the floor at all, and he wasn't a "good" offensive player, but "complete non factor" is just not true.

I do agree with the primary points of your post. However I will say that being a quality rebounder primarily consists of reading angles well, understanding positioning and being able to get to certain spots, effort, and just generally having a knack for it. Rodman was among the best ever at all of those aspects. Taking that into account, because Dennis was so good with positioning that meant that more often than not he had a very good advantage on what would be his closest defender after grabbing an offensive board. Which means a lot of times the better play would have been taking the ball right back up to the basket being a better play than immediately kicking it back out for another possession which also afforded the defense an opportunity to set back up. Being so quick to get rid of the ball prevented him converting a lot of easy baskets and drawing fouls. I am aware that Rodman was a poor free throw shooter, but he was surrounded by quality free throw shooters throughout his career, so every foul he would have drawn would have helped get the other team in the penalty earlier, which would have led to more points eventually and lead to potential foul trouble for opposing players.

You're right "complete non factor" was a bad classification because he did spark certain things within the offense. But all things considered his presence on offense was a net neutral at best.

[ComboGuardCity]

Pistons now a tier 1 team in 2k. bull.


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[tmorgan]

Pistons now a tier 1 team in 2k. bull.


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I don't play that part of 2k... but I assume that's something about matchups when playing online? Like taking the Pistons means your opponent can take the Warriors?

It's respect, tho. Gotta like that. Might have something to do with Jennings being back. He's always been massively overrated on 2k, like an 82 or something this year.

[DBC10]

Drummond is third behind Paul George in the Eastern Conference frontcourt all-star voting.

Let's goooo

[bballnmike]

Drummond is third behind Paul George in the Eastern Conference frontcourt all-star voting.

Let's goooo

I hate how it's grouped like that.

[zeebneeb]

Well having seen a nice chunk of the season thus far this is my list of which teams in the East is going to start falling off;

Orlando-They dont have any rim protection at all and are in need of a trade to get real depth instead of having 9 SF's. Just lacking mental toughness for a young team in crunch time. Exact opposite of the Pistons really. I expect them to really level off and end up between 32-38 wins.

Indiana-The Pistons seem to have a tough time against them but that team is a testament to just how good George is. You take him off that team and they struggle to win 30-32 games. I expect them to come in at around 40-45 wins total. George can only do so much.

Miami-They are about to embark on a grueling road trip the likes of which I haven't seen in years. 16 of their next 18 are on the road. I expect them to really nose dive on this trip and struggle the rest of the way to recoup. I see them between 42-48 wins. If the trip goes really poorly it could get ugly.

Boston-They may miss the playoffs. If no moves are made their utterly average roster gets them to between 38-44 wins.