Official BKN-DAL-MIN pick watch Thread 2015-16 season

[chakdaddy]

Even Lopez for Lee Dallas, Boston 1sts and Philly 2nd could be a good trade for both teams at the deadline.

Heck, I would even go further. Provided that they agreed in essence to throw in the towel for the season (by not making any additional trades), in exchange for Lopez I would give them back their 2018 1st round pick as well as remove our option to swap 2017 picks.

This would pretty much guarantee a bottom 2 record for the Nets this year (and hopefully at least a top 3 pick this summer if the ping pong balls don't screw us) and give us an all-star caliber center. Would also make us look much more attractive to potential free agents this summer. From the Nets perspective, they could get a two year head start on their rebuild by actually having a reason to be bad now.

I know there will be those who say that is the worst idea ever and that we must hold onto all the Nets picks at all costs, but I disagree. I would rather do what we can to ensure one great pick than wind up with 2.5 mediocre picks. Because I REALLY don't see a Lopez led Nets team finishing with even a bottom 5 record this season. They are currently only three games from the 8th worst record, and the teams ahead of them haven't set their eyes toward the draft yet. But remove Lopez from the equation and the Nets have far and away the worst roster in the league, imo. They would have a devil of a time winning much more than 5 more games the remainder of the season.

The fact that I think the odds of a better player than Brooke Lopez being available in either the 2017 or 2018 draft (at least where the Nets will likely to be drafting) are remote at best is a secondary consideration but I think is likely true as well.

No thanks. I'll take my chances with Brooklyn being horrendous for what looks like a very deep 2017 draft class and a 2018 class that already has a franchise player in DeAndre Ayton. Based on past history and his extensive current usage, there is also an above average chance that Lopez will miss a substantial portion of at least one of the following two seasons.

I would however offer them Kelly Olynyk and Jonas Jerebko for a pick swap in 2019 as well as their unprotected 2020 pick.

I agree - worst idea ever. You need to diversify your bonds. Nothing guarantees a lottery win, and there's little reason to think they'll improve in the next years.

Better 2 extra top 7 picks and lotto tickets than trying to shoot the moon for better lottery odds this year.

[DavorFanCroatia]

Nets will be brutal. Loss of Jack is massive. Larkin is 3rd stringer. Sloan is NBDL player. Joe Johnson's begins to show tear, was questinable for Raptors game and Hollins played him 32 minutes. Hollins played Brooke Lopez 40 minutes yesterday...even when Nets trailed by 18 points. Its a matter of time when one or both of them goes down...and if Lopez goes down they are ready for 10+ losing streak

[DavorFanCroatia]

Just saw that Mavs rested Nowitzki, Williams, Matthews and Pachulia after 2ot game vs Kings in New Orleans and f..... Pelicans still lost

[greenmachine_2849]

No thanks. I'll take my chances with Brooklyn being horrendous for what looks like a very deep 2017 draft class and a 2018 class that already has a franchise player in DeAndre Ayton. Based on past history and his extensive current usage, there is also an above average chance that Lopez will miss a substantial portion of at least one of the following two seasons.

I would however offer them Kelly Olynyk and Jonas Jerebko for a pick swap in 2019 as well as their unprotected 2020 pick.

I agree - worst idea ever. You need to diversify your bonds. Nothing guarantees a lottery win, and there's little reason to think they'll improve in the next years.

Better 2 extra top 7 picks and lotto tickets than trying to shoot the moon for better lottery odds this year.

Well, you are talking about two additional top 7 picks in 2017 and 2018 as if that is the worst case scenario those years. Personally, I don't think either of those picks are going to be top ten (just like I don't think the one this year, assuming Lopez remains with the Nets, will even be top five when everything is said and done). And hell, the way the Celtics are currently playing/projecting, I am not convinced that there will be enough separation in draft positioning in 2017 to make a pick swap as big of a game-changer as people here are trying to convince themselves it will be. Maybe it allows us to move up 15+ spots, but I think the odds are just as high that it only allows us to move up a few spots. But I digress; that is probably a rant for another day.

You talk about diversifying your bonds, yet you argue in the same breath that we should keep all of our money in the "Nets will always suck" stock. I think we should trade some of that stock in for a tangible asset (Brook Lopez would instantly become our best player) while simultaneously increasing the price of the "Nets suck" stock in the short run so we can sell it off a little higher than we otherwise would have (hopefully have a draft pick a few spots higher than we otherwise would have). And again, I think a Celtics team with an all-star caliber center in place is more of an attractive free agency destination this summer than one with an all-buffet center on it.

But really it is more about moving toward the consolidating assets stage of the rebuild. There is only a finite amount of playing time available for young players under Brad Stevens, like it or not. Better to have one blue chip young player that you can be confident in plugging into the rotation for 30+ mpg than 3 or 4 middling young players that you need to find 10-15 mpg for each. You might disagree with that line of thinking, but the rumored draft day proposal Ainge had for Charlotte suggests he doesn't.

[greenmachine_2849]

Just to clarify, the two Nets picks would be in place of (not in addition to) the picks in the trade idea I was quoting.

I was contemplating a similar trade a few days ago but I had Lopez/Young/perhaps another player going to other teams and the Celtics getting some compensation perhaps in terms of future picks. I just don't trust Lopez enough. The Nets losing their PG makes this sort of trade less necessary since now their is more of a chance the Nets finish worse than at least I was expecting last week.

Right now the Celtics may have a few players underpaid but its not buy a ton and at best Lopez is probably fairly paid or slightly underpaid.

Trust me, I have concerns about Lopez as well. But he is an all-star caliber big man that looks to finally be healthy and (if he proves not to be) is on a fairly short contract. Worth a roll of the dice, in my opinion. Especially if the alternative is Demarcus Cousins. But this team needs more top end talent, and I think Lopez would be available for the right price.

[DavorFanCroatia]

Look at 10 worst teams: their record, remaining home and away games, remaining home and away games against each other (bottom 10 teams only)

1. Sixers 4-33 score , 27 Home games left -18 Away games left, 6 Home games left vs bottom 10 teams - 4 Away games left vs bo 10

2. Lakers 8-28, 27H-19A, 7H-7A

3. Celtics via Nets 10-25, 23H-24A, 6H-8A

4. Pelicans 11-23, 26H-22A, 13H-7A

5. Wolves 12-24, 22H-24A, 6H-7A

6. Suns 13-25, 22H-22A, 4H-8A

7. Nuggets 13-23, 25H-21A, 5H-5A

8. Bucks 14-23, 25H-20A, 4H-4A

9. Blazers 15-23, 25H-19A, 9H-4A

10. Kings 14-21, 23H-24A, 8H-11A

[165bows]

People on this board crapped on Jarrett Jack but I believe he was there second best player and kept them in many games. That loss hurts them very badly.

I was definitely one of those. Some of it was in relation to the number of people (Nets' fans especially) saying getting rid of Deron Williams would be addition by subtraction.

I do agree though, not having him hurts a lot, personally I would not consider of these Lopez proposals at this point if they hadn't been shelved already.

[LongTimeFan]

If anyone can fashion a win-win for Brooklyn right now it is DA. We have the pieces and the control. The question is would Brooklyn have the balls to take a second bite at the apple. I doubt they would.

Strategically we need to concentrate, they need options to grow. They have concentrated talent we would like and need. We have loads of options to offer that they would like and need.

Egos aside, this is a perfect trading match. Putting the egos aside here is no small matter.

[Jingles]

The stats are nice but look at the Brook Lopez skill-set and how it would fit in before jumping at the chance to help the Nets: a lot of mid-range jumpers, slow decision-making, below average passing and poor defense.

Also, please note that the Nets have spent all season blowing leads. He's far from the cold-blooded closer we're looking for.

[Slartibartfast]

The stats are nice but look at the Brook Lopez skill-set and how it would fit in before jumping at the chance to help the Nets: a lot of mid-range jumpers, slow decision-making, below average passing and poor defense.

Also, please note that the Nets have spent all season blowing leads. He's far from the cold-blooded closer we're looking for.

And that's not even counting his injury history and his punchable face.

[Darth Celtic]

Lee, Young, Rozier, celtics and mavs pick in 2016 for Lopez. They get 4 young assests and save major money. We get quality over quantity. Nets still suck because the NBA eats it's young and all those young players won't change the nets for 2-5 years.

[Homerclease]

Lee, Young, Rozier, celtics and mavs pick in 2016 for Lopez. They get 4 young assests and save major money. We get quality over quantity. Nets still suck because the NBA eats it's young and all those young players won't change the nets for 2-5 years.

Why bail out the nets like that for Lopez? I don't trust the guy one bit health wise or heart wise. Classic case of guy putting up great numbers on a bad team. They are going nowhere with him as the alpha dog, I'd rather not show them any light at the end of the tunnel in case one of those young guys pans out

[Slartibartfast]

Lee, Young, Rozier, celtics and mavs pick in 2016 for Lopez. They get 4 young assests and save major money. We get quality over quantity. Nets still suck because the NBA eats it's young and all those young players won't change the nets for 2-5 years.

The time to sabotage the Nets with a Brook acquisition was in free agency. That ship has sailed.

They are 10-25 with him perfectly healthy. Their hope for improvement is 2016 free agency - taking Lopez off their payroll doesn't automatically make them worse. The gains of a sabotage like you're proposing would be marginal at best.

The Nets sabotage trades that make more sense are trading to their tank competition. The Lakers in particular.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Lee, Young, Rozier, celtics and mavs pick in 2016 for Lopez. They get 4 young assests and save major money. We get quality over quantity. Nets still suck because the NBA eats it's young and all those young players won't change the nets for 2-5 years.

Why bail out the nets like that for Lopez? I don't trust the guy one bit health wise or heart wise. Classic case of guy putting up great numbers on a bad team. They are going nowhere with him as the alpha dog, I'd rather not show them any light at the end of the tunnel in case one of those young guys pans out

Agreed. And what if Rozier and Young turn out to be pretty decent players? What if they flip those 2 2016 picks to move up in this year's draft? We'd basically be giving away 4 tradeable assets for a non-alpha player being paid the max, and possibly be cannibalizing the value of the 2017 pick swap and 2018 pick. No thanks.

[165bows]

Next twenty games for the Nets. Pretty key stretch to see how they deal with adversity. The stretch is mostly home games, then it flips after that and 2/3 of the rest is on the road. This stretch also takes them through the trade deadline.


Also includes four sets of back to backs and only one break of greater than one night until the AS game in Feb.

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G               Date                Opponent
36    Fri Jan 8 2016           Orlando Magic
37    Sat Jan 9 2016         Detroit Pistons
38   Mon Jan 11 2016       San Antonio Spurs
39   Wed Jan 13 2016         New York Knicks
40   Fri Jan 15 2016  Portland Trail Blazers
41   Sat Jan 16 2016           Atlanta Hawks
42   Mon Jan 18 2016         Toronto Raptors
43   Wed Jan 20 2016     Cleveland Cavaliers
44   Fri Jan 22 2016               Utah Jazz
45   Sun Jan 24 2016   Oklahoma City Thunder
46   Tue Jan 26 2016              Miami Heat
47   Fri Jan 29 2016        Dallas Mavericks
48   Sat Jan 30 2016    New Orleans Pelicans
49    Mon Feb 1 2016         Detroit Pistons
50    Wed Feb 3 2016          Indiana Pacers
51    Fri Feb 5 2016        Sacramento Kings
52    Sat Feb 6 2016      Philadelphia 76ers
53    Mon Feb 8 2016          Denver Nuggets
54   Wed Feb 10 2016       Memphis Grizzlies
55   Fri Feb 19 2016         New York Knicks
56   Sun Feb 21 2016       Charlotte Hornets



[Homerclease]

Next twenty games for the Nets. Pretty key stretch to see how they deal with adversity. The stretch is mostly home games, then it flips after that and 2/3 of the rest is on the road. This stretch also takes them through the trade deadline.


Also includes four sets of back to backs and only one break of greater than one night until the AS game in Feb.

Code: Select all

                                       
G               Date                Opponent
36    Fri Jan 8 2016           Orlando Magic
37    Sat Jan 9 2016         Detroit Pistons
38   Mon Jan 11 2016       San Antonio Spurs
39   Wed Jan 13 2016         New York Knicks
40   Fri Jan 15 2016  Portland Trail Blazers
41   Sat Jan 16 2016           Atlanta Hawks
42   Mon Jan 18 2016         Toronto Raptors
43   Wed Jan 20 2016     Cleveland Cavaliers
44   Fri Jan 22 2016               Utah Jazz
45   Sun Jan 24 2016   Oklahoma City Thunder
46   Tue Jan 26 2016              Miami Heat
47   Fri Jan 29 2016        Dallas Mavericks
48   Sat Jan 30 2016    New Orleans Pelicans
49    Mon Feb 1 2016         Detroit Pistons
50    Wed Feb 3 2016          Indiana Pacers
51    Fri Feb 5 2016        Sacramento Kings
52    Sat Feb 6 2016      Philadelphia 76ers
53    Mon Feb 8 2016          Denver Nuggets
54   Wed Feb 10 2016       Memphis Grizzlies
55   Fri Feb 19 2016         New York Knicks
56   Sun Feb 21 2016       Charlotte Hornets



They should lose all those games but probably won't

[Slartibartfast]

Little worried about tonight - Orlando is freefalling. Cooling off majorly from deep and getting blown off the floor every possible way the last 4 games.

[165bows]

Little worried about tonight - Orlando is freefalling. Cooling off majorly from deep and getting blown off the floor every possible way the last 4 games.

Yeah pretty up in the air for me what the post-Jack team looks like. Think there is a good chance they fully implode or no?

[DK-All Day]

Magic up 11 going into the 2nd. Looking good so far.

[Homerclease]

Minnesota taking it to Cleveland early, Wiggins with a quick 9 points.