2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

[ImChillin01]

The tank will be successful if:

- Embiid is a medical "go" with no setbacks

and / or

- Simmons declares and we win the draft lotto

Otherwise, welcome to Orlandoville. We'll have a pocket full of quarters with no dollars. Look forward to 36-43 win seasons.

Funny how Magic getting disrespected even though their one of youngest teams in NBA in a playoff hunt

[Kobblehead]

The tank will be successful if:

- Embiid is a medical "go" with no setbacks

and / or

- Simmons declares and we win the draft lotto

Otherwise, welcome to Orlandoville. We'll have a pocket full of quarters with no dollars. Look forward to 36-43 win seasons.

Funny how Magic getting disrespected even though their one of youngest teams in NBA in a playoff hunt

Because we think macro over here.

[mksp]

The tank will be successful if:

- Embiid is a medical "go" with no setbacks

and / or

- Simmons declares and we win the draft lotto

Otherwise, welcome to Orlandoville. We'll have a pocket full of quarters with no dollars. Look forward to 36-43 win seasons.

Funny how Magic getting disrespected even though their one of youngest teams in NBA in a playoff hunt

And yet they don't have a single player I'd trade Nerlens Noel for straight up. Or Joel Embiid. Or our 2016 1st.

[Ericb5]

The tank will be successful if:

- Embiid is a medical "go" with no setbacks

and / or

- Simmons declares and we win the draft lotto

Otherwise, welcome to Orlandoville. We'll have a pocket full of quarters with no dollars. Look forward to 36-43 win seasons.

Funny how Magic getting disrespected even though their one of youngest teams in NBA in a playoff hunt

Being in the playoff hunt is not the goal. Being in the championship is.


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[PhilasFinest]

The tank will be successful if:

- Embiid is a medical "go" with no setbacks

and / or

- Simmons declares and we win the draft lotto

Otherwise, welcome to Orlandoville. We'll have a pocket full of quarters with no dollars. Look forward to 36-43 win seasons.

Funny how Magic getting disrespected even though their one of youngest teams in NBA in a playoff hunt

Being in the playoff hunt is not the goal. Being in the championship is.


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Im not the biggest fan of Orlando's team, but you usually have to start off in a playoff hunt to get to a championship one.

[Embiid P]

The problem with Orlando is that I don't see one current or future superstar on their roster. If all goes well I think their ceiling is the Pistons of the 2000s and the Hawks of last year. Very difficult to win a title without one.

One could argue that we don't have one either if Embiid can't get healthy, Okafor can't improve his defense, and we miss out on Simmons in the draft, but all things equal, I like our chances more than theirs. Call me a homer, but that's how I see it.

[Ericb5]

Funny how Magic getting disrespected even though their one of youngest teams in NBA in a playoff hunt

Being in the playoff hunt is not the goal. Being in the championship is.


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Im not the biggest fan of Orlando's team, but you usually have to start off in a playoff hunt to get to a championship one.

Well obviously you have to get in the playoffs first, but a team is nowhere before they get their first star, and Orlando has no stars or any prospects for stars.

They have a lot of good prospects, and vucevic is already a really good player, but unless Hezonja blows up next year somehow, they have a ceiling to how good they can get.







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[76ciology]

Orlando, same with the Bucks..

You just can't see them being a top defensive and/or offensive team. That's why they'll always be in the middle. Having a poor shooting PG and poor defensive C are going against the trend that would give you a tough time to win. Only way to counter it is to have superb talent at SG,SF and PF.

[SMH]

^ We could easily end up same way if Embiid doesnt play, thats why I'm hoping we land Ben, we tanked too long to not land the superstar. It was risky to begin with but I hope lottery balls go our way this time around.

[eagereyez]

Orlando, same with the Bucks..

You just can't see them being a top defensive and/or offensive team. That's why they'll always be in the middle. Having a poor shooting PG and poor defensive C are going against the trend that would give you a tough time to win. Only way to counter it is to have superb talent at SG,SF and PF.

And some people were talking about trading Noel for Smart to pair with Okafor...

[Wilfried]

The tank will be successful if:

- Embiid is a medical "go" with no setbacks

and / or

- Simmons declares and we win the draft lotto

Otherwise, welcome to Orlandoville. We'll have a pocket full of quarters with no dollars. Look forward to 36-43 win seasons.

Funny how Magic getting disrespected even though their one of youngest teams in NBA in a playoff hunt

Their team is talented (not extremely) but very flawed.
Big man who can't defend, guards who can't shoot, ...
Not a real superstar on the team.

And some of those mediocre 'stars' are paid way too much.
Can't help to think I really prefer our situation going forward than the Magic's.
They will need to make some changes but are not in the position to demand a lot.

[Agnostifarian]

MIL > ORL, IMO.

So, NBA Draft thread... Simmons is a great prospect, maybe generational. Pro body at 240 lbs. GREAT FACILITATOR!!!.. Devil's advocate: No jump shot yet but he does hit his FTs. Could be a spacing problem in the NBA if defenses sag off of him. Probably more of a PF on offense until Jumper comes around. Does he have the foot speed to guard SF/SG on the perimeter? He's a point PF, right now.

Brandon Ingram: 14 months younger than Simmons and 40 lbs lighter. At the same age, Simmons weighed 225 (25 lb differential). Ingram has two more inches of standing reach 9' 2" which is 1/2 inch less than Nerlens. Ingram is a true perimeter scorer with a sweet stroke and has a skill/length combination greater than Giannis with a ceiling that could be KD-like. Ingram is a SG/SF. INGRAM IS MUCH FURTHER AWAY FROM HIS CEILING THAN SIMMONS.

We're still looking for our Savior so BPA should still dictate choice but Ingram IS THE BETTER FIT GIVEN OUR CURRENT ROSTER AND THE PENDING SARIC ARRIVAL.

I would prefer Simmons right now but if we end up with Ingram, I will be thrilled! Best case scenario for me? We pick #1 and get Simmons and then trade OK4 and Saric for rights to draft Ingram. If the LAL pick conveys this year, pick a PG.

(Dunn-LAL), Ish, TJ
Stauskas, Thompson, (Denzel Washington), (Caris LeVert), (Buddy Hield)
Ingram, RoCo, Thompson
Simmons, Grant, Landry
Noel, Embiid, Holmes

This team can defend, pass, run and shoot (well enough). MIA & OKC picks can be for wings and Colangelo can sign FAs to fill the roster. Mike Conley? Chandler Parsons? Batum? DeRozan?

Tank over.

[Unbreakable99]

MIL > ORL, IMO.

So, NBA Draft thread... Simmons is a great prospect, maybe generational. Pro body at 240 lbs. GREAT FACILITATOR!!!.. Devil's advocate: No jump shot yet but he does hit his FTs. Could be a spacing problem in the NBA if defenses sag off of him. Probably more of a PF on offense until Jumper comes around. Does he have the foot speed to guard SF/SG on the perimeter? He's a point PF, right now.

Brandon Ingram: 14 months younger than Simmons and 40 lbs lighter. At the same age, Simmons weighed 225 (25 lb differential). Ingram has two more inches of standing reach 9' 2" which is 1/2 inch less than Nerlens. Ingram is a true perimeter scorer with a sweet stroke and has a skill/length combination greater than Giannis with a ceiling that could be KD-like. Ingram is a SG/SF. INGRAM IS MUCH FURTHER AWAY FROM HIS CEILING THAN SIMMONS.

We're still looking for our Savior so BPA should still dictate choice but Ingram IS THE BETTER FIT GIVEN OUR CURRENT ROSTER AND THE PENDING SARIC ARRIVAL.

I would prefer Simmons right now but if we end up with Ingram, I will be thrilled! Best case scenario for me? We pick #1 and get Simmons and then trade OK4 and Saric for rights to draft Ingram. If the LAL pick conveys this year, pick a PG.

(Dunn-LAL), Ish, TJ
Stauskas, Thompson, (Denzel Washington), (Caris LeVert), (Buddy Hield)
Ingram, RoCo, Thompson
Simmons, Grant, Landry
Noel, Embiid, Holmes

This team can defend, pass, run and shoot (well enough). MIA & OKC picks can be for wings and Colangelo can sign FAs to fill the roster. Mike Conley? Chandler Parsons? Batum? DeRozan?

Tank over.

No way would I trade Okafor and Saric for Ingram. That's overkill. I would argue Okafor is the better player coming out of college than Ingram so just trading Okafor straight up for Ingram would be a fair deal. If the other team wanted more no way do I trade Saric. I would trade the next highest draft pick we have for him if it came to that.

[51X3RF4N]

OK Guys...

I've been at it again. Researching prospects and fantasizing about potential lineups that I like.

Although, I don't know nearly enough about the prospects. So I'd appreciate anyone else's opinions on the subject.

I really think the Sixers need to find a way to grab both Malik Newman and Malik Beasley in the mid 1st somehow. The Malik connection would be pretty awesome.

Newman is a scorer who can play PG, and Beasley is a defensive SG who also hits shots! Throw them together in a backcourt and you might just have a dynamic duo!

Anyone agree? Disagree?

If the Sixers get the Maliks plus either Simmons or Ingram, combined with all 4 bigs... the Sixers would be a scary good team in another year.

No? Yes?

[roma258]

MIL > ORL, IMO.

So, NBA Draft thread... Simmons is a great prospect, maybe generational. Pro body at 240 lbs. GREAT FACILITATOR!!!.. Devil's advocate: No jump shot yet but he does hit his FTs. Could be a spacing problem in the NBA if defenses sag off of him. Probably more of a PF on offense until Jumper comes around. Does he have the foot speed to guard SF/SG on the perimeter? He's a point PF, right now.

Brandon Ingram: 14 months younger than Simmons and 40 lbs lighter. At the same age, Simmons weighed 225 (25 lb differential). Ingram has two more inches of standing reach 9' 2" which is 1/2 inch less than Nerlens. Ingram is a true perimeter scorer with a sweet stroke and has a skill/length combination greater than Giannis with a ceiling that could be KD-like. Ingram is a SG/SF. INGRAM IS MUCH FURTHER AWAY FROM HIS CEILING THAN SIMMONS.

We're still looking for our Savior so BPA should still dictate choice but Ingram IS THE BETTER FIT GIVEN OUR CURRENT ROSTER AND THE PENDING SARIC ARRIVAL.

I would prefer Simmons right now but if we end up with Ingram, I will be thrilled! Best case scenario for me? We pick #1 and get Simmons and then trade OK4 and Saric for rights to draft Ingram. If the LAL pick conveys this year, pick a PG.

(Dunn-LAL), Ish, TJ
Stauskas, Thompson, (Denzel Washington), (Caris LeVert), (Buddy Hield)
Ingram, RoCo, Thompson
Simmons, Grant, Landry
Noel, Embiid, Holmes

This team can defend, pass, run and shoot (well enough). MIA & OKC picks can be for wings and Colangelo can sign FAs to fill the roster. Mike Conley? Chandler Parsons? Batum? DeRozan?

Tank over.

No way would I trade Okafor and Saric for Ingram. That's overkill. I would argue Okafor is the better player coming out of college than Ingram so just trading Okafor straight up for Ingram would be a fair deal. If the other team wanted more no way do I trade Saric. I would trade the next highest draft pick we have for him if it came to that.

If we hit the lottery and the top pick is overwhelmingly Simmons who is a hybrid PF right now, some trades will have to be made. We just have too much of a logjam in the frontcourt right now and we're not going to be getting value just by having guys like Saric or Holmes sitting at the back of the bench. The thought of an Ingram/Simmons/Noel/Embiid core is really, really tantalizing. The defensive potential is off the charts.

[KramerDSP]

Okafor for Ingram is almost literally Elton Brand for the #2 pick, with the difference being Brand was traded between his second and third season.

Edit- we would have to hope the number 2 pick team is a team stacked with wing players and in desperate need for a center.

Also - if we win the lottery AND trade for Brandon Ingram, are Simmons and Ingram a feasible pairing? Ingram-Simmons-Embiid looks insane on paper.

[Unbreakable99]

MIL > ORL, IMO.

So, NBA Draft thread... Simmons is a great prospect, maybe generational. Pro body at 240 lbs. GREAT FACILITATOR!!!.. Devil's advocate: No jump shot yet but he does hit his FTs. Could be a spacing problem in the NBA if defenses sag off of him. Probably more of a PF on offense until Jumper comes around. Does he have the foot speed to guard SF/SG on the perimeter? He's a point PF, right now.

Brandon Ingram: 14 months younger than Simmons and 40 lbs lighter. At the same age, Simmons weighed 225 (25 lb differential). Ingram has two more inches of standing reach 9' 2" which is 1/2 inch less than Nerlens. Ingram is a true perimeter scorer with a sweet stroke and has a skill/length combination greater than Giannis with a ceiling that could be KD-like. Ingram is a SG/SF. INGRAM IS MUCH FURTHER AWAY FROM HIS CEILING THAN SIMMONS.

We're still looking for our Savior so BPA should still dictate choice but Ingram IS THE BETTER FIT GIVEN OUR CURRENT ROSTER AND THE PENDING SARIC ARRIVAL.

I would prefer Simmons right now but if we end up with Ingram, I will be thrilled! Best case scenario for me? We pick #1 and get Simmons and then trade OK4 and Saric for rights to draft Ingram. If the LAL pick conveys this year, pick a PG.

(Dunn-LAL), Ish, TJ
Stauskas, Thompson, (Denzel Washington), (Caris LeVert), (Buddy Hield)
Ingram, RoCo, Thompson
Simmons, Grant, Landry
Noel, Embiid, Holmes

This team can defend, pass, run and shoot (well enough). MIA & OKC picks can be for wings and Colangelo can sign FAs to fill the roster. Mike Conley? Chandler Parsons? Batum? DeRozan?

Tank over.

No way would I trade Okafor and Saric for Ingram. That's overkill. I would argue Okafor is the better player coming out of college than Ingram so just trading Okafor straight up for Ingram would be a fair deal. If the other team wanted more no way do I trade Saric. I would trade the next highest draft pick we have for him if it came to that.

If we hit the lottery and the top pick is overwhelmingly Simmons who is a hybrid PF right now, some trades will have to be made. We just have too much of a logjam in the frontcourt right now and we're not going to be getting value just by having guys like Saric or Holmes sitting at the back of the bench. The thought of an Ingram/Simmons/Noel/Embiid core is really, really tantalizing. The defensive potential is off the charts.

At this moment I feel more confident that Saric will be a more impact player than Ingram. My opinion may change later but I would rather have Saric. If Ingram continues to impress I might change my mind.

[roma258]

No way would I trade Okafor and Saric for Ingram. That's overkill. I would argue Okafor is the better player coming out of college than Ingram so just trading Okafor straight up for Ingram would be a fair deal. If the other team wanted more no way do I trade Saric. I would trade the next highest draft pick we have for him if it came to that.

If we hit the lottery and the top pick is overwhelmingly Simmons who is a hybrid PF right now, some trades will have to be made. We just have too much of a logjam in the frontcourt right now and we're not going to be getting value just by having guys like Saric or Holmes sitting at the back of the bench. The thought of an Ingram/Simmons/Noel/Embiid core is really, really tantalizing. The defensive potential is off the charts.

At this moment I feel more confident that Saric will be a more impact player than Ingram. My opinion may change later but I would rather have Saric. If Ingram continues to impress I might change my mind.

Yeah, I'd be loath to give up Saric. Just hard to see where he gets minutes unless he can get about 10 minutes a game on the wing.

[Unbreakable99]

If we hit the lottery and the top pick is overwhelmingly Simmons who is a hybrid PF right now, some trades will have to be made. We just have too much of a logjam in the frontcourt right now and we're not going to be getting value just by having guys like Saric or Holmes sitting at the back of the bench. The thought of an Ingram/Simmons/Noel/Embiid core is really, really tantalizing. The defensive potential is off the charts.

At this moment I feel more confident that Saric will be a more impact player than Ingram. My opinion may change later but I would rather have Saric. If Ingram continues to impress I might change my mind.

Yeah, I'd be loath to give up Saric. Just hard to see where he gets minutes unless he can get about 10 minutes a game on the wing.

Saric is going to average more than 20 minutes per game in his first season. He's not the one I wonder who will get minutes.

[Agnostifarian]

If we hit the lottery and the top pick is overwhelmingly Simmons who is a hybrid PF right now, some trades will have to be made. We just have too much of a logjam in the frontcourt right now and we're not going to be getting value just by having guys like Saric or Holmes sitting at the back of the bench. The thought of an Ingram/Simmons/Noel/Embiid core is really, really tantalizing. The defensive potential is off the charts.

At this moment I feel more confident that Saric will be a more impact player than Ingram. My opinion may change later but I would rather have Saric. If Ingram continues to impress I might change my mind.

Yeah, I'd be loath to give up Saric. Just hard to see where he gets minutes unless he can get about 10 minutes a game on the wing.

That is the silver lining if we miss out on Simmons; Take Ingram. Saric fits at PF with Noel or Embiid.