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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#601 » by Chalm Down » Fri Jan 8, 2016 3:01 am

HeatWillRise wrote:Very strange to compare Hassan's situation to that bust. Beasley isn't even in the same stratosphere as Whiteside. I guess in terms of love from the fans? Aside from that, I see no real comparison being made. Hassan already proved and is already in the record books for the Heat franchise as a hold in such short period of time. I'd very disappointed if they let him walk over the issue of money when especially the cap is rising regardless.


Yeah, Whiteside has already accomplished more as a Heatle than Beasley did in his entire career. I think the comparison Ethan was trying to make was about how they aren't the most mature players.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#602 » by goodboy » Fri Jan 8, 2016 3:09 am

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HeatWillRise wrote:Very strange to compare Hassan's situation to that bust. Beasley isn't even in the same stratosphere as Whiteside. I guess in terms of love from the fans? Aside from that, I see no real comparison being made. Hassan already proved and is already in the record books for the Heat franchise as a hold in such short period of time. I'd very disappointed if they let him walk over the issue of money when especially the cap is rising regardless.


Yeah, Whiteside has already accomplished more as a Heatle than Beasley did in his entire career. I think the comparison Ethan was trying to make was about how they aren't the most mature players.

Ehh I guess. Though Hassan never really had any off-court incidents, just pouting and some altercations on court which heavily improved this season. Take into account Beasley came into the league as some proclaimed star while Whiteside bounced all over the league(s) unknown. If you replace each others venture on entering the NBA, the results would be the complete opposite. Meaning Beasley wouldn't even have seen the court of the NBA. Then again Whiteside and tons of money would be interesting on how he'd deal with it.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#603 » by Hoops23 » Fri Jan 8, 2016 3:21 am

gom wrote:Assuredly Drummond is younger than Whiteside, but it's hard to say who is better because defining "better" in the context of playing on different teams is impossible. It is likely that Drummond would face the same challenges as Whiteside were he a Heat player. One thing they have in common though... Drummond's also on the last year of his rookie deal, but he's about to get paid. How much? Wait for it... Max salary: $20,956,974. He's a restricted free agent and if you think he gets one penny less book yourself a flight to 2000.

If you check on their stats and even ignore their all-star votes, the younger Drummond has a better stats and is doing it for almost 4 season to Whiteside entering what could be a season and half. If you check on Drummond stats, his stats improve almost every season to Whiteside who needs to show the Heat he can do improvements each season too. Drummond is younger and still has room for improvement. There is a reason why he's a lottery pick and Whiteside has been bounce to teams in the NBA. They say, "you cannot teach an old dog a new trick". I'm not saying Whiteside is already in his peak but I believe it remains to be seen how big his improvement will be in the future.
You who have brought out about stats in our previous conversation is staying away with it now, coz you only tell in here what is the advantage of whiteside, obviously you're more of a Whiteside fan. Drummond is worth a max contract and he deserves it, not because of the market says it but his talent can speak for it. If he has Wade in his wing throwing those lob pass, he will average more points. You can throw the ball to Drummond and work his way in the post. Much better at low post than Whiteside. His motor is even better. Whiteside is more of a role palyer to Drummond who can be a franchise player.

DefenseWins wrote:I've been saying I don't think we give Hassan the max. Will wait for another team or see how the market dictates it.
This is what I'm saying too that he's not worth the max base on what he's showing but the market might make him worth the max. But the question is, should the Heat give him the max contract or use the cap space to more deserving players that is worth the max? Miami has a lot of option than just Whiteside. With his personality, same as the recent wire tap article, Heat will probably go to other options.

Pat will definitely look for some sort of discount, a "we gave you this opportunity" type discount. It won't be a lot, but maybe around the area Skolnick said.
But he's coming of a minimum deal and money is tempting for him to ignore. Cant blame him. I think he's gone if he insist a max contract. I'm still hoping he takes a Draymond Green like contract but loaded with big bonuses..
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#604 » by Rich2Hassan » Fri Jan 8, 2016 3:24 am

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HeatWillRise wrote:Very strange to compare Hassan's situation to that bust. Beasley isn't even in the same stratosphere as Whiteside. I guess in terms of love from the fans? Aside from that, I see no real comparison being made. Hassan already proved and is already in the record books for the Heat franchise as a hold in such short period of time. I'd very disappointed if they let him walk over the issue of money when especially the cap is rising regardless.


Yeah, Whiteside has already accomplished more as a Heatle than Beasley did in his entire career. I think the comparison Ethan was trying to make was about how they aren't the most mature players.


And this is what i don't get. Where does this "immature" tag that Hassan has gotten come from? What has he done that's so immature? I aksed Ethan and have yet to get an response. People just like to look at the past and pull stuff out of their behinds. Hassan has been great on and off the court, don't believe everything you read chalm.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#605 » by Chalm Down » Fri Jan 8, 2016 3:37 am

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HeatWillRise wrote:Very strange to compare Hassan's situation to that bust. Beasley isn't even in the same stratosphere as Whiteside. I guess in terms of love from the fans? Aside from that, I see no real comparison being made. Hassan already proved and is already in the record books for the Heat franchise as a hold in such short period of time. I'd very disappointed if they let him walk over the issue of money when especially the cap is rising regardless.


Yeah, Whiteside has already accomplished more as a Heatle than Beasley did in his entire career. I think the comparison Ethan was trying to make was about how they aren't the most mature players.


And this is what i don't get. Where does this "immature" tag that Hassan has gotten come from? What has he done that's so immature? I aksed Ethan and have yet to get an response. People just like to look at the past and pull stuff out of their behinds. Hassan has been great on and off the court, don't believe everything you read chalm.


It's not like he's just pulling this stuff out of his ass, though...Wade and Bosh have criticized Whiteside to the media. It's not particularly common for players to call each other out through the media. Just last night, Bosh said that Whiteside needs to learn how to be effective when he's playing through pain. Like you said, I'm not going to take every reporter's thoughts as the word of god, but what Ethan said didn't totally surprise me.

In regard to how Whiteside is immature...according to Ethan, Whiteside has had a hard time focusing on the team strategy instead of his own stats. Like you said, we don't need to believe everything reporters say, but this is not the most unbelievable thing to me. We've seen Whiteside give less effort when things aren't really going his way offensively.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#606 » by Rich2Hassan » Fri Jan 8, 2016 3:56 am

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Yeah, Whiteside has already accomplished more as a Heatle than Beasley did in his entire career. I think the comparison Ethan was trying to make was about how they aren't the most mature players.


And this is what i don't get. Where does this "immature" tag that Hassan has gotten come from? What has he done that's so immature? I aksed Ethan and have yet to get an response. People just like to look at the past and pull stuff out of their behinds. Hassan has been great on and off the court, don't believe everything you read chalm.


It's not like he's just pulling this stuff out of his ass, though...Wade and Bosh have criticized Whiteside to the media. It's not particularly common for players to call each other out through the media. Just last night, Bosh said that Whiteside needs to learn how to be effective when he's playing through pain. Like you said, I'm not going to take every reporter's thoughts as the word of god, but what Ethan said didn't totally surprise me.

In regard to how Whiteside is immature...according to Ethan, Whiteside has had a hard time focusing on the team strategy instead of his own stats. Like you said, we don't need to believe everything reporters say, but this is not the most unbelievable thing to me. We've seen Whiteside give less effort when things aren't really going his way offensively.


Some valid points made, and i'm a firm believer in "don't throw stones if you live in a glass house" So Bosh & Wades comments are meh to me, because they have their ways as well. Back to the topic, Like some other posters stated, Whiteside seems like he has a low motor and yeah when he's not playing well it gets to him, as it should. The reason i mention Ethan in particular, is because he seems to have an agenda against Hassan, posting all thing negative that he can find, whereas Winderman, Jackson and some others don't. Ethan goes out of his way to paint a negative picture of Whiteside, and i think the fans shouldn't buy it. It's obvious.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#607 » by Hoops23 » Fri Jan 8, 2016 4:55 am

Whiteside's character is a concern but not as concern as his contract. IMO his character can be resolve with the help of our veterans but his contract is really a big concern. No wonder team like the Kings dumped him..
But, for me Heat should hold on to Whiteside this season unless a too favorable offer Miami cannot by pass.. Play out the season and see how much he ask with Miami, then decide.
Hope that Bosh and Wade comments on him will help him. Probably the comments made are constructive criticism..
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#608 » by Chalm Down » Fri Jan 8, 2016 6:13 am

Flash4thewin wrote:
Prince Ali wrote:lol @ the wiretap from fat boy


Ironically there is nothing wrong with what he said.

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Deng which we are trying to ship out
UD which is only here out of loyalty
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Non Heat type players

Wade
Lebron
Shaq
JWill
Payton
antoine walker

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if you are a Heat type player or not, its the talent that matters.


Idk if I agree with your non-Heat player list. What makes you put someone like Wade there?
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#609 » by goodboy » Fri Jan 8, 2016 6:19 am

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Flash4thewin wrote:
Prince Ali wrote:lol @ the wiretap from fat boy


Ironically there is nothing wrong with what he said.

Heat type players
Deng which we are trying to ship out
UD which is only here out of loyalty
Zo retired
Eddie Jones
Chris Quinn

Non Heat type players

Wade
Lebron
Shaq
JWill
Payton
antoine walker

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if you are a Heat type player or not, its the talent that matters.


Idk if I agree with your non-Heat player list. What makes you put someone like Wade there?

I dont get this either. What is this "list" of a specific "team" type player? :lol:

Wade's the franchise GOAT.

If It's just about loyalty, we would be the at the bottom of the league ever since existence of the franchise. It's a business.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#610 » by Prince Ali » Fri Jan 8, 2016 6:52 am

N82WILL wrote:Ethan is a hack and terrible beat writer. IMO, he offers no real insight and his agenda is obvious. He clearly has a problem with Hassan, most of his posts on twitter show Hassan asa negative, he RARELY posts positive Whiteside news. Wasn't he a Cavs fan/writer last season? Oh yeah. I called him out on his BS on twitterand have yet to get a response. I stated facts, and used "stats" and he still wont respond. He's an idiot.

Said it before I'll say it again. He's a front running reporter. Skipped town when LeBron left and it looked like we would fade into oblivion then comes back when it looks like we are going to be a good team again. He isn't connected and he hedges his bets in all of his stories.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#611 » by Chalm Down » Fri Jan 8, 2016 7:06 am

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N82WILL wrote:Ethan is a hack and terrible beat writer. IMO, he offers no real insight and his agenda is obvious. He clearly has a problem with Hassan, most of his posts on twitter show Hassan asa negative, he RARELY posts positive Whiteside news. Wasn't he a Cavs fan/writer last season? Oh yeah. I called him out on his BS on twitterand have yet to get a response. I stated facts, and used "stats" and he still wont respond. He's an idiot.

Said it before I'll say it again. He's a front running reporter. Skipped town when LeBron left and it looked like we would fade into oblivion then comes back when it looks like we are going to be a good team again. He isn't connected and he hedges his bets in all of his stories.


I think he was assigned to cover the Cavs...anyways, he was throwing shade at the Cavs the whole time lol.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#612 » by EscapoTHB » Fri Jan 8, 2016 10:02 am

I don't really underestand why Whiteside's character matters so much. He doesn't get into trouble off of the court. And he performs on the court. Why do the Heat act like he's a ticking time bomb? Surely the NBA has employed far worse characters with far less talent.

It's clearly a thing the Heat want out there though, because all of the people who cover the heat spout this comopany line. I can't tell if it's Riley trying to keep Whiteside's value in check--or to justify a dumb trade he wants to do. Makes me really uneasy though. It would be nice if the microcoverage of Hassan's tweets and body language stopped. He's a confident young talented big man--why would you want to kill that?

Just feel like heat coverage is designed to try and show the fanbase that Whiteside is this horrible monster of a person, and not that good of a player. And I don't get why. Let me like this team!! damn. I mean the team has Birdman on the roster! He's hardly some angel. And unlike Whiteside actually HAS had off court issues with drugs. We've got Gerald Green who did who know what this season off the court. But somehow Hassan is Public Enemy? Something's not right.
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Post#613 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Jan 8, 2016 10:37 am

HeatWillRise wrote:Very strange to compare Hassan's situation to that bust. Beasley isn't even in the same stratosphere as Whiteside. I guess in terms of love from the fans? Aside from that, I see no real comparison being made. Hassan already proved and is already in the record books for the Heat franchise as a hold in such short period of time. I'd be very disappointed if they let him walk over the issue of money when especially the cap is rising regardless.


It's not ability, it's about mentality. And I'm not surprised hearing that from Ethan.

I wrote about it just in the last page ; if I as a fan can notice Hassan mentality is sometimes troubling, you bet your ass the guys around him daily notice it. And it matters. ALOT.

The mentality is what ends up separating good players that helps you win and bad ones that just never seem to improve/affect the game positively. All NBA players have skill and talent, it's what you do with it long term.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#614 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Jan 8, 2016 11:00 am

DefenseWins wrote:Regarding "trade" rumors though, that is definitely B.S. His salary is too small for us to get what we'd want back unless we packaged McBob, Birdman, Deng or something... but for who? That person would also be a rental. That type of deal will only go down if we went on some 10 game losing streak and it looked like this team was in turmoil.

Doubt the team we wanted anything from would benefit from a Whiteside rental as well, and Hassan wouldn't just stay with any team. So it makes no sense.

Hassan isn't on the trade block, but people like Bird, McBob, Deng are.


The only teams that make sense as trade partner for Hassan are contending team that think he can become that piece that takes them over the hump this year in the playoffs. And it won't be GSW or Spurs.

So that really limits our options.

Clippers, especially If Jordan misses some time.
OKC
Mavs
Maybe Bulls, Hawks, Raptors, Indy.

That's about it.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#615 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jan 8, 2016 3:27 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/685477605559107584[/tweet]
In response to Lakers chances of signing Hassan in offseason.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/685477808613797888[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/685477943129313280[/tweet]
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#616 » by Heat3 » Fri Jan 8, 2016 4:10 pm

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HeatWillRise wrote:Very strange to compare Hassan's situation to that bust. Beasley isn't even in the same stratosphere as Whiteside. I guess in terms of love from the fans? Aside from that, I see no real comparison being made. Hassan already proved and is already in the record books for the Heat franchise as a hold in such short period of time. I'd very disappointed if they let him walk over the issue of money when especially the cap is rising regardless.


Yeah, Whiteside has already accomplished more as a Heatle than Beasley did in his entire career. I think the comparison Ethan was trying to make was about how they aren't the most mature players.


very strange. lebatard constantly calls him knucklehead/meathead. ethan talks about maturity issues. but what exactly has hassan done to warrant this as a member of the heat? he may have had issues when he first entered the league but unless the heat are doing a massive coverup I don't think he deserves this kind of criticism. but they are definitely getting something from within the org.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#617 » by TMIMITW » Fri Jan 8, 2016 5:31 pm

If we have to trade him send him to philly for either okafor/noel/embiid and get our draft pick back.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#618 » by insfo » Fri Jan 8, 2016 5:37 pm

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HeatWillRise wrote:Very strange to compare Hassan's situation to that bust. Beasley isn't even in the same stratosphere as Whiteside. I guess in terms of love from the fans? Aside from that, I see no real comparison being made. Hassan already proved and is already in the record books for the Heat franchise as a hold in such short period of time. I'd very disappointed if they let him walk over the issue of money when especially the cap is rising regardless.


Yeah, Whiteside has already accomplished more as a Heatle than Beasley did in his entire career. I think the comparison Ethan was trying to make was about how they aren't the most mature players.


very strange. lebatard constantly calls him knucklehead/meathead. ethan talks about maturity issues. but what exactly has hassan done to warrant this as a member of the heat? he may have had issues when he first entered the league but unless the heat are doing a massive coverup I don't think he deserves this kind of criticism. but they are definitely getting something from within the org.


I think it's all the sulking and throwing his hands up in disgust during the play if he doesn't get the ball that he does. He is improving a lot in that area, so that looks like a point of emphasis by the Org on him .. but that always gives me a bad vibe. As someone else mentioned before, it's the "look at my stats" mentality that these guys have, but just coupled with a penchant for sulking. I have a feeling that more than the max, he'll fall for the "featured" star proposition that teams like Dallas, LA et al will try to lure him with.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#619 » by Flash4thewin » Fri Jan 8, 2016 5:41 pm

HeatWillRise wrote:
Chalm Down wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:
Ironically there is nothing wrong with what he said.

Heat type players
Deng which we are trying to ship out
UD which is only here out of loyalty
Zo retired
Eddie Jones
Chris Quinn

Non Heat type players

Wade
Lebron
Shaq
JWill
Payton
antoine walker

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if you are a Heat type player or not, its the talent that matters.


Idk if I agree with your non-Heat player list. What makes you put someone like Wade there?

I dont get this either. What is this "list" of a specific "team" type player? :lol:

Wade's the franchise GOAT.

If It's just about loyalty, we would be the at the bottom of the league ever since existence of the franchise. It's a business.


Wade is the GOAT but Pat likes people like Zo more if that makes any sense. He like players that are all business about the sport. Remember Pat has to basically shame Wade into losing weight.

I dont know who we can get for a Whiteside rental unless we add more assets. Philly has zero need to trade for him and can get him in the offseason if they want to. Im guessing we would try to make a power play for Melo or Butler. Both are under contract and we would have some cap space to go after another FA. Just guessing.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#620 » by Flash4thewin » Fri Jan 8, 2016 5:53 pm

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Yeah, Whiteside has already accomplished more as a Heatle than Beasley did in his entire career. I think the comparison Ethan was trying to make was about how they aren't the most mature players.


very strange. lebatard constantly calls him knucklehead/meathead. ethan talks about maturity issues. but what exactly has hassan done to warrant this as a member of the heat? he may have had issues when he first entered the league but unless the heat are doing a massive coverup I don't think he deserves this kind of criticism. but they are definitely getting something from within the org.


I think it's all the sulking and throwing his hands up in disgust during the play if he doesn't get the ball that he does. He is improving a lot in that area, so that looks like a point of emphasis by the Org on him .. but that always gives me a bad vibe. As someone else mentioned before, it's the "look at my stats" mentality that these guys have, but just coupled with a penchant for sulking. I have a feeling that more than the max, he'll fall for the "featured" star proposition that teams like Dallas, LA et al will try to lure him with.


If we are holding him to a higher standard than other players on this team and another team want to make him the features player, how can you blame the player for leaving? On top of that we dont want to play him the max, so the only option looks like a trade, consolidate our assets for a power play.

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