Game 39: Miami Heat (21-14) @ Phoenix Suns (13-25)

Blackification · Post #61 » by **Blackification** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:23 am

amareeeeee haha **** you markieff

thamadkant · Post #62 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:24 am

In Len We Trust wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
In Len We Trust wrote:Ronnie Price is a good guy and not a bad player but it's really discouraging to see 3 30+ year olds in the starting lineup of a team with a 13-25 record. As an organization, our #1 priority should be the future. It's Archie's 3rd year and we are 13-25......why the hell is he getting DNP-CD's!?!?!? He has played well enough when given minutes in the past to deserve an opportunity. We can always trade him if we decide he isn't part of the future.

I'm just disgusted. Hornacek really set this franchise back badly with all his stupid moves.

Archie sucks. The reason Price plays is a demand to try to get to playoffs and to use game time to develop guys who are terrible.

Despite your evaluation, he has put up nice numbers pretty much every time he's gotten decent minutes. Small sample size, but we need to see more. Why not play him? This team is going nowhere near the playoffs with Bledsoe out and Hornacek running the show. Due to Hornys stupid in game decisions we can't even win close games so how the hell are we supposed to pass up Utah this year?

The worst thing that can come from playing Archie is a better chance at getting Simmons. Best case, he breaks out.

Yup.

His stats for games he played 19+ minutes is pretty nice... 12ppg 5rpg 2apg and a steal.
People here judge his lack of "smoothness" and lack of shooting from outside as him sucking. But on a team that values paint penetration and slashing from their PG to draw fouls.. Goodwin will be appealing.
Also he is disruptive defensively... his wingspan really does help him cover perimeter players... problem is.. he gets screened easily due to his skinny frame, but that improves as they mature up 23~26 years old.

bigfoot · Post #63 » by **bigfoot** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:24 am

Frank Lee wrote:Two words of advice for archie,... rosetta stone

Mandarin more than likely

Jdiddy701 · Post #64 » by **Jdiddy701** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:24 am

Gerald green is so good. I miss you man.

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In Len We Trust · Post #65 » by **In Len We Trust** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:27 am

Does Hornacek think PJ Tucker is LeBron James? Why is he playing every minute?

AtheJ415 · Post #66 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:28 am

Bucks win! #Tanktastic.

Frank Lee · Post #67 » by **Frank Lee** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:29 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:Gerald green is so good. I miss you man.

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Thank our brilliant GM.... sign one chucker for 14 mill... but thumb your nose at another for 1.4

is knight ten times better ?

Jdiddy701 · Post #68 » by **Jdiddy701** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:32 am

We went downhill when Markieff/Amare checked in.

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Post #69 » by **ATTL** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:32 am

I missed hearing EJ.
The game is starting to get ugly.

RunDogGun · Post #70 » by **RunDogGun** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:32 am

I'm so glad Miami gets to shoot three times as many free throws as us on our home court. But then again, our fans are rooting for Miami, so maybe the refs are confused, or our fans just suck.

Post #71 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:34 am

1UPZ wrote:
In Len We Trust wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Archie sucks. The reason Price plays is a demand to try to get to playoffs and to use game time to develop guys who are terrible.

Despite your evaluation, he has put up nice numbers pretty much every time he's gotten decent minutes. Small sample size, but we need to see more. Why not play him? This team is going nowhere near the playoffs with Bledsoe out and Hornacek running the show. Due to Hornys stupid in game decisions we can't even win close games so how the hell are we supposed to pass up Utah this year?

The worst thing that can come from playing Archie is a better chance at getting Simmons. Best case, he breaks out.

Yup.

His stats for games he played 19+ minutes is pretty nice... 12ppg 5rpg 2apg and a steal.
People here judge his lack of "smoothness" and lack of shooting from outside as him sucking. But on a team that values paint penetration and slashing from their PG to draw fouls.. Goodwin will be appealing.
Also he is disruptive defensively... his wingspan really does help him cover perimeter players... problem is.. he gets screened easily due to his skinny frame, but that improves as they mature up 23~26 years old.

OK, I agree, he actually does look pretty good in the minutes he gets usually in garbage time when we have a huge lead or are way too far behind and both teams are playing scrubs. He's a good street ball player. To rely on him in nba games when it matters though, scares me.

AtheJ415 · Post #72 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:35 am

For the love of God, can we stop throwing lobs to Tyson? He's not throwing them down like he used to, and if he's even touched he gives up on it and just screams and begs for a foul.

Post #73 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:35 am

RunDogGun wrote:I'm so glad Miami gets to shoot three times as many free throws as us on our home court. But then again, our fans are rooting for Miami, so maybe the refs are confused, or our fans just suck.

Man, you complain more about free throw differential and moving screens being called against us but not others, etc, more than anyone I think in the history of the universe.

AtheJ415 · Post #74 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:37 am

Frank Lee wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:Gerald green is so good. I miss you man.

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Thank our brilliant GM.... sign one chucker for 14 mill... but thumb your nose at another for 1.4

is knight ten times better ?

It's the NBA, so that type of math never works. And yes, Knight is undeniably more value than Gerald. I like Gerald, but he had no place on a rebuilding team. Not at his age. Letting him go was the right thing to do, particularly when you just drafted a SG and have another SG coming over next season. How many SG's do you really want on this team?

Post #75 » by **ATTL** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:37 am

How many possessions each game does knight bring the ball up and never pass before shooting?

Jdiddy701 · Post #76 » by **Jdiddy701** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:38 am

Nice play Jeff

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In Len We Trust · Post #77 » by **In Len We Trust** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:38 am

bwgood77 wrote:
1UPZ wrote:
In Len We Trust wrote:
Despite your evaluation, he has put up nice numbers pretty much every time he's gotten decent minutes. Small sample size, but we need to see more. Why not play him? This team is going nowhere near the playoffs with Bledsoe out and Hornacek running the show. Due to Hornys stupid in game decisions we can't even win close games so how the hell are we supposed to pass up Utah this year?

The worst thing that can come from playing Archie is a better chance at getting Simmons. Best case, he breaks out.

Yup.

His stats for games he played 19+ minutes is pretty nice... 12ppg 5rpg 2apg and a steal.
People here judge his lack of "smoothness" and lack of shooting from outside as him sucking. But on a team that values paint penetration and slashing from their PG to draw fouls.. Goodwin will be appealing.
Also he is disruptive defensively... his wingspan really does help him cover perimeter players... problem is.. he gets screened easily due to his skinny frame, but that improves as they mature up 23~26 years old.

OK, I agree, he actually does look pretty good in the minutes he gets usually in garbage time when we have a huge lead or are way too far behind and both teams are playing scrubs. He's a good street ball player. To rely on him in nba games when it matters though, scares me.

When has he gotten an opportunity and looked bad?

The answer is never. There have been quite a few stints where he has been impressive. People like you that think Hornacek is a good coach are the type that come up with fictitious narratives about the team and fail to be able to analyze the reality right before their eyes.

saintEscaton · Post #78 » by **saintEscaton** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:38 am

bwgood77 wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:I'm so glad Miami gets to shoot three times as many free throws as us on our home court. But then again, our fans are rooting for Miami, so maybe the refs are confused, or our fans just suck.

Man, you complain more about free throw differential and moving screens being called against us but not others, etc, more than anyone I think in the history of the universe.

If I recall correctly, last season Run Dog said that the Dubs wouldn't be any better than us if Draymond and Bogut were called for setting moving screen. :roll:

Frank Lee · Post #79 » by **Frank Lee** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:39 am

Goodwin is one of those 'Why' players.... as in MCA

AtheJ415 · Post #80 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:39 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:We went downhill when Markieff/Amare checked in.

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Why does Jeff keep playing him? How many chances does he get? And what's worse, every game he comes in and plays awful hoops his trade value tanks. Right now, you can clearly argue his season is impacted by his depression, but the larger the sample size we give of him sucking the weaker that becomes. He is simply not better than Leuer and Teletovic, who have played really damn well this year.

If we're going to tank, I'd rather do it going small and playing Warren at the 4. At least then he's seeing minutes.