Trade Deadline Countdown....January 2016

[MrMiyagi]

Thank you for the answers. Im interested in Morris because im tired of the nonathletic frontcourt we have.

It's safe to say we'd do that deal, especially with McD's ties to Boston.

Kieff can be good if he's motivated. So I'm sure he'd play just fine elsewhere.

Jared Sullinger isn't really a choirboy either.. I think Sullinger/Turner for Markieff works well, too.. As a Celtics fan, the real negotiating question is how eager McDonough/Sarver are to get rid of Morris (a little? a lot? not at all?)- would they give up a future 1st, or TJ Warren, in the bargain? Or do they want Sullinger and another asset from us, since Jared will be a RFA?

I think they want really want him gone, but not so much that they're going to part with TJ. A future first might be a feasible add-in though.

[Andrew McCeltic]

What about something like Sullinger/Turner/1st for Markieff/Warren?

[RunDogGun]

What about something like Sullinger/Turner/1st for Markieff/Warren?

I don't think they have intention to move Warren, so I don't think they would include him unless he was needed to nab a star player. I just don't see McD doing that deal, but who knows? I do see Boston being trade partner making sense for both teams. I was thinking there would be a Lee/Chandler deal if we continue to skid and Len showed a solid starting minutes run. I think Chandler would be solid for Boston. He sure adds toughness when he is healthy. He seems to be getting back into game shape. He had two double doubles a few games back.

It could free up salary, and we could use a decent passing forward. It could easily include Markieff and others, but I don't think Warren would be included.

[Andrew McCeltic]

What about something like Sullinger/Turner/1st for Markieff/Warren?

I don't think they have intention to move Warren, so I don't think they would include him unless he was needed to nab a star player. I just don't see McD doing that deal, but who knows? I do see Boston being trade partner making sense for both teams. I was thinking there would be a Lee/Chandler deal if we continue to skid and Len showed a solid starting minutes run. I think Chandler would be solid for Boston. He sure adds toughness when he is healthy. He seems to be getting back into game shape. He had two double doubles a few games back.

It could free up salary, and we could use a decent passing forward. It could easily include Markieff and others, but I don't think Warren would be included.

Yeah, gotcha. I thought about Lee (or Amir Johnson) for Chandler, too, but I don't think Boston wants him.. They'd have to find a third team to take his money..

[Fo-Real]

I think out of loyalty there's no way the Suns up and trade Tyson Chandler, unless some one who really really wants him contacts him first, lets him know they want him bad enough to come back to whatever situation that he was in before like a dallas or a going home kind of trade, then with his consent we trade him. But there's no way you go out sign him in the offseason bring him and his family in and then dump his contract on someone.

I still like Tyson you add in a legit actual starting Pf and a guard who gets him lob opportunities and he is still very stout.

[LukasBMW]

Lol. We aren't trading TJ Warren.

[saintEscaton]

Bucks fans proposed this on the GB so this is just fantasy rosterbation. Obviously the Kings would say no but landing Jabari is enticing even if we would have to give up TJ who is not untouchabe for the right price IMO. He's off to a slow start after recovering from that ACl tear against us last season and he may not with fit with the Greek Freak. But he'a also two years younger and has more upside even though TJ beat him out for ACC Player of the Year as a sophomore.

Sac Out: Collison, Mclemore and WCS
Sac In: Morris, Bayless and Tucker

Phx Out: Warren, Morris and Tucker
Phx In: Parker, Collison and Copeland

Mke Out: Parker, Bayless and Copeland
Mke In: Warren, WCS, Mclemore and right to swap 1st with Phoenix.

[LukasBMW]

Bucs fans proposed this on the GB. Obviously the Mavs would say no but landing Jabari is enticing even if we have to give up TJ.

Sac Out: Collison, Mclemore and WCS
Sac In: Morris, Bayless and Tucker

Phx Out: Warren, Morris and Tucker
Phx In: Parker, Collison and Copeland

Mke Out: Parker, Bayless and Copeland
Mke In: Warren, WCS, Mclemore and right to swap 1st with Phoenix.

Lol. That's even worse. We give up TJ and our pick for an overweight and under performing guy coming back from an ACL injury? Lol.

[letsgosuns]

What about something like Sullinger/Turner/1st for Markieff/Warren?

Booker, Warren, and Len are all probably untouchable unless it is for a superstar like Durant, Lebron, or Harden and I highly doubt those players are available in trade. Those guys are the future of the Suns. Ryan McDonough even said it on the radio this week that those three players are the Suns core.

[LukasBMW]

We hit gold with TJ and Booker. No way we trade either of them.

We're not a piece away from competing for the championship. We are rebuilding with young players. TJ and Booker are the core.

[jcsunsfan]

I wish Bledsoe didn't go down so we could trade Knight, hopefullly booker keeps this level up and maybe in the offseason we can flip knight and bring bogdan in to backup booker

There is no reason that should keep us from trading Knight, if that is the long term plan. This season is a tank anyway. We could just have Archie start at pg, then there is also Price and Brown. I wouldn't mind seeing Booker handle pg duties, he has the mentality.

[jcsunsfan]

What about something like Sullinger/Turner/1st for Markieff/Warren?

Booker, Warren, and Len are all probably untouchable unless it is for a superstar like Durant, Lebron, or Harden and I highly doubt those players are available in trade. Those guys are the future of the Suns. Ryan McDonough even said it on the radio this week that those three players are the Suns core.

Our first rounder this year should be untouchable too.

[saintEscaton]

Bucs fans proposed this on the GB. Obviously the Mavs would say no but landing Jabari is enticing even if we have to give up TJ.

Sac Out: Collison, Mclemore and WCS
Sac In: Morris, Bayless and Tucker

Phx Out: Warren, Morris and Tucker
Phx In: Parker, Collison and Copeland

Mke Out: Parker, Bayless and Copeland
Mke In: Warren, WCS, Mclemore and right to swap 1st with Phoenix.

Lol. That's even worse. We give up TJ and our pick for an overweight and under performing guy coming back from an ACL injury? Lol.

I'm high on TJ as well and would hesitate before biting. But anybody who is unbiased outside this board without personal attachment would probably agree that its fair value. Also its a pick swap and the Bucks are just behind us by three sports in the tankathon rankings. If we're not picking in the Top 4 and have no shot at Simmons/Ingram or even Bender /Dunn don't think there's much of a drop off in talent

[Andrew McCeltic]

Bucs fans proposed this on the GB. Obviously the Mavs would say no but landing Jabari is enticing even if we have to give up TJ.

Sac Out: Collison, Mclemore and WCS
Sac In: Morris, Bayless and Tucker

Phx Out: Warren, Morris and Tucker
Phx In: Parker, Collison and Copeland

Mke Out: Parker, Bayless and Copeland
Mke In: Warren, WCS, Mclemore and right to swap 1st with Phoenix.

Lol. That's even worse. We give up TJ and our pick for an overweight and under performing guy coming back from an ACL injury? Lol.

I'm high on TJ as well and would hesitate before biting. But anybody outside this board without personal attachment would probably agree that its fair value. Also its a pick swap and the Bucks are just behind us by three sports in the tankathon rankings. If we're not picking in the Top 4 and have no shot at Simmons/Ingram or even Bender /Dunn don't think there's much of a drop off in talent

Ok.. since I'm here.. That's an awful trade for Sacramento, insanely good value for Milwaukee on Parker, and apart from the pick swap, Warren/Morris/Tucker for Jabari is a huge steal. Don't overrate Warren and underrate Parker.

[gaspar]

Lol. That's even worse. We give up TJ and our pick for an overweight and under performing guy coming back from an ACL injury? Lol.

I'm high on TJ as well and would hesitate before biting. But anybody outside this board without personal attachment would probably agree that its fair value. Also its a pick swap and the Bucks are just behind us by three sports in the tankathon rankings. If we're not picking in the Top 4 and have no shot at Simmons/Ingram or even Bender /Dunn don't think there's much of a drop off in talent

Ok.. since I'm here.. That's an awful trade for Sacramento, insanely good value for Milwaukee on Parker, and apart from the pick swap, Warren/Morris/Tucker for Jabari is a huge steal. Don't overrate Warren and underrate Parker.

People were saying the same thing about a potential "Derrick Williams for Keef+Gortat" trade a couple years ago.

Warren was better than Parker in college and is better in the NBA so far. TJ also doesn't have health and conditioning issues and has a better contract. Pick swap could make a huge difference too.

[carey]

If we do anything with our 1st rounder this year, anything at all, McDonough should be fired.

Edit: i should say anything before the lottery.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Derrick Williams didn't tear an ACL, Parker showed enough of who he is last year before the injury.. Would be a mistake for Milwaukee to trade him..

[AtheJ415]

I just don't see the big deal about Jabari. He has talent. He could end up good. I'd love to have him, but I wouldn't trade any of Booker, Warren, or Len for him.

He's a tweener, who hasn't shown the ability to hit the NBA 3, isn't particularly efficient, and has never defended in his career. The odds of him becoming even an average defender are probably very low, so he must become a dominant offensive player to be a really good NBA player. Until he shows he can hit 3s with regularity, I don't think he's really that special offensively. His numbers are thoroughly unimpressive, and they were that even before the injury.

Point being, there's a lot of risk to Jabari that I don't see with these other guys. Booker has proven to be at worst a heady, elite 3 point shooter with a lot of size at the 2 (a weak position league wide). That has a lot of value. Warren has proven to be an offensive dynamo at the 3, with an added 3 point shot that seems legit (his sample size is plenty large this year to judge that). He is one of the most efficient scorers in the entire league. Even if he sucks at D his entire career, he's worlds ahead of Jabari on offense. Jabari is younger, but without a defined position, and so I'd still give Warren the nod. With Len, you have a mobile big who can play 2 ways at the center spot. He's not been consistent, but he's one of the few young Centers in the league that has shown potential on both ends of the court. I've mentioned it a lot on here, but you can't understate the value of 2 way guys. I don't think Len is ever more than a 15 ppg scorer, but he rebounds and blocks shots, which is something Jabari doesn't do.

Jabari could end up really good, but if he wasn't the #2 pick and you removed that hype and draft position from his performance, I don't think anybody sees him as a franchise savior anymore than any of our youngsters. If we're going to make that trade, in all seriousness I'd rather trade for Greak Freak. He was drafted lower but he's way better than Jabari imo with every bit the ceiling.

[AtheJ415]

Derrick Williams didn't tear an ACL, Parker showed enough of who he is last year before the injury.. Would be a mistake for Milwaukee to trade him..

His numbers aren't all that different from last year though. I feel like people are overrating what he did last season prior to injury. He shot better, but only 49% EFG (compare that to Warren's 54%), but his overall WS/48 is not that much worse after injury (0.88 v. 0.60), his offensive box plus minus is identical, and his VORP is -0.3 compared to 0.1 last year. I mean, he was better last year don't get me wrong, but 1. you can't throw out an ACL injury. That matters. It can't be ignored as if he's 100% going to be who he was before, and 2. who he was before was barely above replacement level. TJ's vorp is similar (0.0 last year and 0.2 this year), but his WS/48 is much higher (0.116 this year), and he's just a much better offensive player across the board.

Sorry, but I'm taking TJ any and every day. It would be different if Parker wasn't a tweener and had more of a proven all around game, but that just isn't the case. The injury isn't an excuse, it's a reason to favor the guy with healthy ACL's.

[wolves_89]

I'm high on TJ as well and would hesitate before biting. But anybody outside this board without personal attachment would probably agree that its fair value. Also its a pick swap and the Bucks are just behind us by three sports in the tankathon rankings. If we're not picking in the Top 4 and have no shot at Simmons/Ingram or even Bender /Dunn don't think there's much of a drop off in talent

Ok.. since I'm here.. That's an awful trade for Sacramento, insanely good value for Milwaukee on Parker, and apart from the pick swap, Warren/Morris/Tucker for Jabari is a huge steal. Don't overrate Warren and underrate Parker.

People were saying the same thing about a potential "Derrick Williams for Keef+Gortat" trade a couple years ago.

Warren was better than Parker in college and is better in the NBA so far. TJ also doesn't have health and conditioning issues and has a better contract. Pick swap could make a huge difference too.

As an outside observer who doesn't have any fan based attachment to any of the players, I'd have to say Parker is worth way more than Warren/Morris/Tucker. Due to the injury last year Parker still gets valued mainly on upside. He may never become a great player, but the chance still exists for him to be on a whole other level from any of Warren/Morris/Tucker.