Official Draft Thread 2015-16

[soxfan2003]

Celtics, Lakers and Mavs too.

What? Let's see... Milan, Cousy, Russell, West, Havlicek, Kareem, Magic, Bird, McHale, Worthy, KG, Ray, Pierce, Gasol, Dirk.

Yup... just a bunch of gritty lunchpail guys drafted in the mid-to-late 1st round.

Only guy this argument even possibly applies to is Kobe, who would be a #1 overall in the context of today's drafting.

Not sure I understand the last paragraph

If Kobe played a year of college ball at a random school, I would bet myself that he goes 1-2 depending upon the draft and probably #1. Certainly 1 or 2 in this last draft. Higher than Russell but perhaps Towns can be argued either way.

The obvious big reason he slipped and teams as high as the Celtics almost picked him is because he didn't have 1 year of college ball to showcase his skills.

In 1996 it was still a big man's game but today their is no big bias against guards and players have an opportunity to show their skills in college ball.

Kobe would have done better in college than Wiggins and many other wings since he could shoot the ball at a young age.

I doubt Kobe picked over Anthony Davis but he would have been picked over most #1 picks since 1997 if he played a year of college ball.

[mbsnmisc]

Celtics sign D-Wade, who then calls his buddy Lebron up and convinces him that Boston is exactly like Miami, but with snow.
Ainge trades all of his Nets picks, the Mavs pick, the Grizzlies pick, Smart, Rozier, and Jerebko to New Orleans for Anthony Davis.
Joakim Noah signs for the MLE.
Sully signs with the Cavs and becomes the true hometown hero that Ohio deserves.

IT/Bradley
Wade/Hunter
Lebron/Crowder
Davis/Olynyk/Amir
Noah/Mickey

Nah. Wade is breaking down and Noah is washed up. I do like the Bron and AD idea though. You're onto something.

No Wade = No Lebron. lol. Anyhow, my initial idea is a result of me working a 12 hour day with only a turkey sandwich to eat during the whole time. Going delusional. Just waiting for someone to tell me how my "prediction" will never turn out.

Your "prediction" will never turn out.



Go get something healthy to eat, you are on the verge of nervous exhaustion.

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Simmons has the superstar whine down pat.

[Murta]

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I have that Noah free throw feeling watching it.

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[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/685895216264560640[/tweet]

I have that Noah free throw feeling watching it.

Getting that Carmelo Anthony feeling watching him get back cut for dunks lol.

[Gomes3PC]

Anyone drafting Simmons needs to recognize he's going to be a total zero defensively. Not the end of the world - with the right team around him, Melo (another one-way player) can win a title. Just need tor recognize him for what he is. The challenge is finding the right guy next to him, which would be a floor-stretching center who plays good defense at the rim. That's a real tough guy to find in the NBA.

[No-Man]

Melo is an above-average defender.
Simmons is soft, but I think he can be adequate, especially with his agility.

[Captain_Caveman]

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I have that Noah free throw feeling watching it.

That is some atrocious form right there. What is going on with his legs? lol

[165bows]

Melo is an above-average defender.
Simmons is soft, but I think he can be adequate, especially with his agility.

Watched him pretty close on D today. I think he's pretty quick rotating when he wants to, he just has really low responsibility and activity in their zone. He's basically active in occasional 1-2 second bursts. Obviously very good quickness for his size and anticipation.

He did get caught sleeping pretty badly a couple of times though and he's pretty lousy at contesting shots, which is a pretty big deal in the NBA.

[165bows]

Anyone drafting Simmons needs to recognize he's going to be a total zero defensively. Not the end of the world - with the right team around him, Melo (another one-way player) can win a title. Just need tor recognize him for what he is. The challenge is finding the right guy next to him, which would be a floor-stretching center who plays good defense at the rim. That's a real tough guy to find in the NBA.

Celtics era KG at C would have been perfect. Currently maybe M. Gasol is the closest fit at C.

I actually think this current Celtics starting lineup 1-3 fits him pretty well. Smart/AB/Crowder could use his ball handling and ability to get to the rim and FT line, and compliment him on D.

Overall though comparing him to other #1 rated prospects I'd rate him lower than Blake Griffin. I know people are super high on him but I'd guess he has a lower impact than Blake in my estimation.

[Bar Fight]

Anyone drafting Simmons needs to recognize he's going to be a total zero defensively. Not the end of the world - with the right team around him, Melo (another one-way player) can win a title. Just need tor recognize him for what he is. The challenge is finding the right guy next to him, which would be a floor-stretching center who plays good defense at the rim. That's a real tough guy to find in the NBA.

What? He has a lot of defensive potential. Played pretty good defense all game against Kentucky and got a bunch of deflections/steals on the perimeter. How can you say a 19 year old kid will be a "zero" on defense? Defense is something that can be, and usually is improved over the years. He's athletic, quick, strong, etc. He'll definitely be a solid defender in the league eventually.

[brackdan70]

Melo is an above-average defender.
Simmons is soft, but I think he can be adequate, especially with his agility.

Melo above average.....how so?

[GuyClinch]

If we draft Simmons we better hire that shot doctor away from the Spurs. LMAO. Probably we are getting Ingram. Less development needed.. Not convinced the Celtics can develop anyone in terms of skills at this point. TA, Rondo, Rozier, Giddens, Melo, Banks - so many poor shooting athletes have come through here - and none of them seem to improve their J.

Danny needs to stick with guys that already know how to play - for better or worse.. Raw athletes - so not his thing.

[Gomes3PC]

Anyone drafting Simmons needs to recognize he's going to be a total zero defensively. Not the end of the world - with the right team around him, Melo (another one-way player) can win a title. Just need tor recognize him for what he is. The challenge is finding the right guy next to him, which would be a floor-stretching center who plays good defense at the rim. That's a real tough guy to find in the NBA.

What? He has a lot of defensive potential. Played pretty good defense all game against Kentucky and got a bunch of deflections/steals on the perimeter. How can you say a 19 year old kid will be a "zero" on defense? Defense is something that can be, and usually is improved over the years. He's athletic, quick, strong, etc. He'll definitely be a solid defender in the league eventually.

Total zero is probably too far, but he will be like Jahlil Okafor - it will take him years to get to even average. He is not a good defender in college, period.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Anyone drafting Simmons needs to recognize he's going to be a total zero defensively. Not the end of the world - with the right team around him, Melo (another one-way player) can win a title. Just need tor recognize him for what he is. The challenge is finding the right guy next to him, which would be a floor-stretching center who plays good defense at the rim. That's a real tough guy to find in the NBA.

What? He has a lot of defensive potential. Played pretty good defense all game against Kentucky and got a bunch of deflections/steals on the perimeter. How can you say a 19 year old kid will be a "zero" on defense? Defense is something that can be, and usually is improved over the years. He's athletic, quick, strong, etc. He'll definitely be a solid defender in the league eventually.

Total zero is probably too far, but he will be like Jahlil Okafor - it will take him years to get to even average. He is not a good defender in college, period.

Neither was Kevin Durant, who was a 190 Lbs. power forward who was unable to bench press 185 even one time. Seattle hid him at the two, until he grew enough physically to guard men.

I'd be shocked if whomever drafts Simmons doesn't hide him in a similar manner until he's fully up to speed.

[Gomes3PC]

It's easier to hide a wing, though I see the point.

Even without much defense, Simmons would still be a tremendous addition. Don't want people to confuse my defense concerns with overall concerns.

[165bows]

What? He has a lot of defensive potential. Played pretty good defense all game against Kentucky and got a bunch of deflections/steals on the perimeter. How can you say a 19 year old kid will be a "zero" on defense? Defense is something that can be, and usually is improved over the years. He's athletic, quick, strong, etc. He'll definitely be a solid defender in the league eventually.

Total zero is probably too far, but he will be like Jahlil Okafor - it will take him years to get to even average. He is not a good defender in college, period.

Neither was Kevin Durant, who was a 190 Lbs. power forward who was unable to bench press 185 even one time. Seattle hid him at the two, until he grew enough physically to guard men.

I'd be shocked if whomever drafts Simmons doesn't hide him in a similar manner until he's fully up to speed.

This is why I think Boston is actually a great fit for him. You could play him next to Crowder and always give him the weaker offensive forward, a luxury the other bottom feeders won't have.

And I'm not even a Simmons fan boy, I'd just as soon they trade him as not if they landed a top pick.

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Nice write-up of the matchup between Taurean Prince and Danuel House.

http://patternofbasketball.blogspot.com/2015/12/taurean-prince-vs-danuel-house.html?m=1

[ddb]

I still think if Boston lucked into #1, that Danny would have an outside shot at convincing New Orleans to send Anthony Davis up to Boston for a Godfather offer centered around Simmons. I have no evidence whatsoever that Danny and/or Demps would even be interested in such discussions, this is simply a vibe I have.
And Anthony Davis/Brad Stevens gives Boston a heck of a shot at Durant in free agency.
Pipedream, I know....but so wasnt Garnett/Allen. Danny thinks big

[Murta]

I still think if Boston lucked into #1, that Danny would have an outside shot at convincing New Orleans to send Anthony Davis up to Boston for a Godfather offer centered around Simmons. I have no evidence whatsoever that Danny and/or Demps would even be interested in such discussions, this is simply a vibe I have.
And Anthony Davis/Brad Stevens gives Boston a heck of a shot at Durant in free agency.
Pipedream, I know....but so wasnt Garnett/Allen. Danny thinks big

Pipedream^2. Davis signed a deal which is guaranteed for the team until 2020. NO has shown no inclination for young players, they've traded 3 straight draft picks since Davis' draft.