Can Harrison Barnes break out like James Harden if he goes to another team?

[turk3d]

I think he has the potential to break out like Kwahi (not as good but in a similar way) Barnes can become a terrific on ball wing defender and an elite 3pt shooter.

I was actually thinking that maybe a reason why GS is sooo good is because they have 4 stars In Curry, Green, Klay, and Barnes but it's hard to tell with what's around him.

I'm really hoping the Lakers throw max money at him this offseason. Any chance he can be obtained ? I really don't know

Although I think that if max money is thrown at him (which is probably likely), I don't think the Warriors will be willing to match (just my opinion) that is unless he happens to go through the roof for the rest of this season), they'd likely try to work a trade with someone for his replacement but I think in the case of the Lakers, they may be forced to match. At least that's my opinion. If it's a team not in their conference, that's a totally different story, they might try and work a trade or quite possibly let him walk. Depends on how big a deal he's offered by somebody.

[Austincys21]

I think he has the potential to break out like Kwahi (not as good but in a similar way) Barnes can become a terrific on ball wing defender and an elite 3pt shooter.

I was actually thinking that maybe a reason why GS is sooo good is because they have 4 stars In Curry, Green, Klay, and Barnes but it's hard to tell with what's around him.

I'm really hoping the Lakers throw max money at him this offseason. Any chance he can be obtained ? I really don't know

Although I think that if max money is thrown at him (which is probably likely), I don't think the Warriors will be willing to match (just my opinion) that is unless he happens to go through the roof for the rest of this season), they'd likely try to work a trade with someone for his replacement but I think in the case of the Lakers, they may be forced to match. At least that's my opinion. If it's a team not in their conference, that's a totally different story, they might try and work a trade or quite possibly let him walk. Depends on how big a deal he's offered by somebody.

I have that feeling of drafting Looney was the preparation of May having yo leg him go as he's the replacement. Maybe though if they get rid of Iggy, Bogut, and Livingston they may be able to bring him back and maybe Ezeli unless a team throws max at him but I'm not sure.

[Jedi32]

i think so but we'll never know unless he's put in that position.

[HotelVitale]

I think he'd be a 20 ppg scorer on basically any other team. Not sure how that is such a hard thought to have -- he is super efficient, was a high scorer in college, is long and athletic. If they just ran 5 more plays a game for him (~15 shots), he'd be there.

This is a little confusing; the narrative on him from the NCAA, up to and especially his 2nd year in the NBA was that he wasn't productive, couldn't create his own shots at a high rate. (He was quite a disappointing creator at UNC, averaged 16-17ppg despite having every chance, and he flopped in bigger minutes/chances his second season).

His efficiency was flat-out bad for the first couple years, too. Last year he averaged all of 12.8pts per 36 in having his first efficient season. This year he's been a little better, but statistically we're still talking about a guy who's never shown he can create for himself consistently.

[turk3d]

I think he has the potential to break out like Kwahi (not as good but in a similar way) Barnes can become a terrific on ball wing defender and an elite 3pt shooter.

I was actually thinking that maybe a reason why GS is sooo good is because they have 4 stars In Curry, Green, Klay, and Barnes but it's hard to tell with what's around him.

I'm really hoping the Lakers throw max money at him this offseason. Any chance he can be obtained ? I really don't know

Although I think that if max money is thrown at him (which is probably likely), I don't think the Warriors will be willing to match (just my opinion) that is unless he happens to go through the roof for the rest of this season), they'd likely try to work a trade with someone for his replacement but I think in the case of the Lakers, they may be forced to match. At least that's my opinion. If it's a team not in their conference, that's a totally different story, they might try and work a trade or quite possibly let him walk. Depends on how big a deal he's offered by somebody.

I have that feeling of drafting Looney was the preparation of May having yo leg him go as he's the replacement. Maybe though if they get rid of Iggy, Bogut, and Livingston they may be able to bring him back and maybe Ezeli unless a team throws max at him but I'm not sure.

I don't think that they'd let all 3 of those guys go just to keep Barnes, especially with the way that Rush is playing of late. Plus it looks like McAdoo is turning into a player as well. I think that even if he were to walk, they'll be a host of other players who are FAs that would be willing to go over to the Dubs. At least I hope that they don't get rid of all those players in order to keep (who like). I just think that they'd lose too much depth if they were to do that, one of Golden State's greatest strengths imo. I especially wouldn't want to lose Bogut, whose value to this team is almost immeasurable, even with all his injury problems.

[yellowknifer]

I think he can do more than he's being asked to in GS - but I don't think he can be the kind of offensive player Harden is. Not really even close. Although he can a very efficient scorer and the kind of player that many many many teams need who already have decent facilitators. And he can be a very good defender.

[turk3d]

I think he'd be a 20 ppg scorer on basically any other team. Not sure how that is such a hard thought to have -- he is super efficient, was a high scorer in college, is long and athletic. If they just ran 5 more plays a game for him (~15 shots), he'd be there.

This is a little confusing; the narrative on him from the NCAA, up to and especially his 2nd year in the NBA was that he wasn't productive, couldn't create his own shots at a high rate. (He was quite a disappointing creator at UNC, averaged 16-17ppg despite having every chance, and he flopped in bigger minutes/chances his second season).

His efficiency was flat-out bad for the first couple years, too. Last year he averaged all of 12.8pts per 36 in having his first efficient season. This year he's been a little better, but statistically we're still talking about a guy who's never shown he can create for himself consistently.

His first two years he was under Jackson, who didn't really use him properly (had him go iso most of the time) and as a rookie, he had hos ups and downs (although still shot close to almst 44% fg, 36% 3 pt). He regressed somewhat his 2nd year (also under Jackson) but I believe that most of it was due to injury during training camp (missed pre-season I believe) and at the beginning of the season in which he never got untracked although he did play well in the playoffs against the Clippers (had some big games for us, one of the reason I think he's a big time player).

Once Kerr got in, made him a starter, and gave him much better direction, his numbers getting way better last year and so far this year prior to getting injured once more. He's improved quite a bit on his scoring, assists and his steals. Last year his rebounding and defense took a step up. One of his problems initially was that he was asked to fill a role that he wasn't really equipped for but now he's been asked to do the things that he's capable of. i suspect that they same thing held true when he was in college, expecting him to do things he just wasn't capable of at the time.

[Blame Rasho]

You know the more that I see him, the similarities of Sean Elliot become apparent.

He was a very solid player for the Spurs for many years, but it was clear that he was never good enough to be a solid number 2 guy. You want him as a number 3 or 4 like the Warriors have made him at times and it is a role that he is very comfortable with and excels in.

I think if you are putting him in a position to impose his will, he will fail. He had opportunity to do that when he was a bench player and you could see it just isn't in him to be the lead guy. I see alot of Boris Diaw/Nic Batum in him, you know the type of guys who have it all, but you never see it night in and night out.

I think people get too fixated on what someone on some draft board projected them to be and use that as their respective baseline for success. In reality it might be that the person projecting was completely wrong their their assessment of the player and we keep using that to judge players. I think this applies to Barnes.

[boomershadow]

I want him on my Pacers as a small ball 4.

[moocow007]

I think he has the potential be a 25 ppg with great defense type player on another team. He will never be great with the Warriors with Curry and Thompson.

Based on what? In other words...no.

[moocow007]

To be an MVP level player? God no. He's a corner 3pt shooter who can take an off-balance or slower defender off the dribble from time to time. Not a great playmaker (but good at making the smart pass), and really not elite at anything other than the corner three. Terrific role player, but no, he's not a breakout waiting to happen. Harden had skills on skills on skills. Barnes is rigid.

Harden is not an mvp level player either.

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Wasn't he 2nd in MVP voting last season?

[DreDay]

He's a Robert Horry type player. A 3/4 that can defend both positions adequately, stretch the floor, rebound well and step up in big time situations. Don't see him being a star outside the Warriors, its not his type of game.

[moocow007]

I think he'd be a 20 ppg scorer on basically any other team. Not sure how that is such a hard thought to have -- he is super efficient, was a high scorer in college, is long and athletic. If they just ran 5 more plays a game for him (~15 shots), he'd be there.

This is a little confusing; the narrative on him from the NCAA, up to and especially his 2nd year in the NBA was that he wasn't productive, couldn't create his own shots at a high rate. (He was quite a disappointing creator at UNC, averaged 16-17ppg despite having every chance, and he flopped in bigger minutes/chances his second season).

His efficiency was flat-out bad for the first couple years, too. Last year he averaged all of 12.8pts per 36 in having his first efficient season. This year he's been a little better, but statistically we're still talking about a guy who's never shown he can create for himself consistently.

His first two years he was under Jackson, who didn't really use him properly (had him go iso most of the time) and as a rookie, he had hos ups and downs (although still shot close to almst 44% fg, 36% 3 pt). He regressed somewhat his 2nd year (also under Jackson) but I believe that most of it was due to injury during training camp (missed pre-season I believe) and at the beginning of the season in which he never got untracked although he did play well in the playoffs against the Clippers (had some big games for us, one of the reason I think he's a big time player).

Once Kerr got in, made him a starter, and gave him much better direction, his numbers getting way better last year and so far this year prior to getting injured once more. He's improved quite a bit on his scoring, assists and his steals. Last year his rebounding and defense took a step up. One of his problems initially was that he was asked to fill a role that he wasn't really equipped for but now he's been asked to do the things that he's capable of. i suspect that they same thing held true when he was in college, expecting him to do things he just wasn't capable of at the time.

So he's basically a talented role player that finally has been given a clearly defined role? Let's be honest, being able to put up points on a team like the Warriors may be as much about the system as it is about the player. When we talk about even being anywhere near Harden you have to believe that he can be the man when the system is him and defenses are centered around stopping him.

As for those folks saying 20/8? That's a lot harder than I think folks are thinking it is. Do you guys know how many players are currently at 20/8 in the NBA? 3. Demarcus Cousins, Anthony Davis and Blake Griffen. That's it. That's not just a star, that's superstars. Among the best players in the NBA!!!

[Fico92]

I'm really hoping the Lakers throw max money at him this offseason.

Me too!

[BrooklynBulls]

He's not enough of a distributor or ball handler to be an offensive hub. He's solid, but he'll disappoint any team expecting that.

[wolves_89]

Harden is a top 10 player in the league. In my opinion Barnes might be able to sneak into the top 30 as a best case scenario (if he found the right team and continued to improved his game).

[turk3d]

This is a little confusing; the narrative on him from the NCAA, up to and especially his 2nd year in the NBA was that he wasn't productive, couldn't create his own shots at a high rate. (He was quite a disappointing creator at UNC, averaged 16-17ppg despite having every chance, and he flopped in bigger minutes/chances his second season).

His efficiency was flat-out bad for the first couple years, too. Last year he averaged all of 12.8pts per 36 in having his first efficient season. This year he's been a little better, but statistically we're still talking about a guy who's never shown he can create for himself consistently.

His first two years he was under Jackson, who didn't really use him properly (had him go iso most of the time) and as a rookie, he had hos ups and downs (although still shot close to almst 44% fg, 36% 3 pt). He regressed somewhat his 2nd year (also under Jackson) but I believe that most of it was due to injury during training camp (missed pre-season I believe) and at the beginning of the season in which he never got untracked although he did play well in the playoffs against the Clippers (had some big games for us, one of the reason I think he's a big time player).

Once Kerr got in, made him a starter, and gave him much better direction, his numbers getting way better last year and so far this year prior to getting injured once more. He's improved quite a bit on his scoring, assists and his steals. Last year his rebounding and defense took a step up. One of his problems initially was that he was asked to fill a role that he wasn't really equipped for but now he's been asked to do the things that he's capable of. i suspect that they same thing held true when he was in college, expecting him to do things he just wasn't capable of at the time.

So he's basically a talented role player that finally has been given a clearly defined role? Let's be honest, being able to put up points on a team like the Warriors may be as much about the system as it is about the player. When we talk about even being anywhere near Harden you have to believe that he can be the man when the system is him and defenses are centered around stopping him.

As for those folks saying 20/8? That's a lot harder than I think folks are thinking it is. Do you guys know how many players are currently at 20/8 in the NBA? 3. Demarcus Cousins, Anthony Davis and Blake Griffen. That's it. That's not just a star, that's superstars. Among the best players in the NBA!!!

Not suggesting he be a superstar but potentially a star. His max will not be a superstar max and with guys have been paid and will be getting paid, I think it's safe to say he'd fall into that category. Maybe 18/8 then. Depends on a teams needs. He's a role player (if you want to call him that) and a starter on a team which just won a ring and is currently on the road to another one.

That team also has one guy who's currently the best player in the league and last years and possibly this years MVP in addition to a guy who scored 37 in a quarter. What do you expect? For him to take over, lol. This certainly won't be the case if he winds up elsewhere. I hope that no one gives him an offer he likes and we can keep him which if he had accepted 4/$64 we probably wouldn't even had this discussion. And those guys you just mentioned, what are they making or what are going to be making?

[jamesnamida]

alot of you guys are short changing barnes.

His midrange game this year has been pretty decent. The warriors have been running ISO midrange plays for him ever since last year.
His midrange jumpshot, is better than hardens.

I don't think he will ever be as good as harden, but that's a weird comparison.
He looks more like a poor mans Kawhi.

Good catch and shoot 3,

slasher, and can take a guy off the dribble half the time-- this will improve.
and he has a good midrange game + athleticism above the rim.

he could break out on another team, but he won't be as offensively similar to harden, or will he be a superstar.
his peak "could" be a PG13 or little worse version of KL.

[giberish]

Kwahi and Paul George are about the same age as Barnes. Barnes isn't developing into either one. Kawhi's been the 2nd or 3rd best player in the league this year, PG top-10, perhaps top-5. If Barnes was Kawhi or even close he'd have a bigger offensive role and be far, far better on defense right now.

Expecting a top-10 player out of Barnes is going to lead to major disappointment. Expecting a top-50 player is reasonable. 25-30 range is a best-case scenario. Is that worth a 25% max deal? The best-case scenario probably is, but it's pushing it (Kawhi's a massive, massive bargain on his deal).

[DrCoach]

Hello No

Holy Overrating

He isn't that good

His upside is Jeff Green, maybe Luol Deng

No way he scores Prime Granger type of points