Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[thricethefun]

id actually be surprised if ernie doesn't try to trade our pick

it'd be an admission of failure or essentially "giving up" to him

If we trade our pick it better freaking be lottery protected

[deneem4]

Wiz
Beal, humpries, Neal
For
Holiday, Holmes, Covington

Sixers
Covington Holmes Noel
For
Beal, pels future 1st protected

Pelicans
Holiday, future 1st protected
For
Noel, humpries, neal, (Dudley?)

Holiday is the perfect pair for wall, Won't have to give him a big contract this season and can build the team more around Durant...gives us 2 capable guards and some young potential guys on small contracts

Sixers get they're lead guard and a pick

Pelicans get depth and Noel to pair with Davis while only really sacrificing jrue


Wall/session/holiday
Holiday/temple/Oubre
Porter/oubre/Covington
Dudley/Holmes/porter
Gortat/nene/Blair

[TGW]

Here's a simple one: Carl Landry for Humphries, 2nd rounder, cash.

The Sixers gain another draft pick. We get a semi-decent veteran power forward that can help this season.

[nate33]

Here's a simple one: Carl Landry for Humphries, 2nd rounder, cash.

The Sixers gain another draft pick. We get a semi-decent veteran power forward that can help this season.

What makes you think Carl Landry is better than Humphries? The guy has managed to play just 100 minutes on the worst team in the league. He's another burly PF who can't shoot and can't defend the center position. We already have a guy like that in Blair.

[gesa2]

Trade ideas for Beal. None of these make the Durant dream impossible:

1. Beal for Julius Randle and Jordan Clarkson
Lakers get a name player to help recruit free agents. We risk trading a dime for 2 nickels if Beal develops as some think he will, but but the chance of one of Randle or Clarkson developing into an all star may be as good or better than the chance Beal has alone.

2. Beal Nene and lottery protected 2016 1st round pick for Gallinari, Jokic
We'd hope to play Gallo as a small ball 4 mostly. Also add a young big who's already a solid back up. Denver gets younger, Beal can work with Mudiay and Barton as a good young backcourt with complimentary skills.

3. Beal for Noell.
Philadelphia will have more cap space than they can spend next year, minimizing the upcoming salary difference. Noell and Gortat aren't ideal together, but we can stagger their minutes, and the defensive potential during their 15 minutes or so together would be huge. Both teams balance their rosters.

[nate33]

Trade ideas for Beal. None of these make the Durant dream impossible:

1. Beal for Julius Randle and Jordan Clarkson
Lakers get a name player to help recruit free agents. We risk trading a dime for 2 nickels if Beal develops as some think he will, but but the chance of one of Randle or Clarkson developing into an all star may be as good or better than the chance Beal has alone.

2. Beal Nene and lottery protected 2016 1st round pick for Gallinari, Jokic
We'd hope to play Gallo as a small ball 4 mostly. Also add a young big who's already a solid back up. Denver gets younger, Beal can work with Mudiay and Barton as a good young backcourt with complimentary skills.

3. Beal for Noell.
Philadelphia will have more cap space than they can spend next year, minimizing the upcoming salary difference. Noell and Gortat aren't ideal together, but we can stagger their minutes, and the defensive potential during their 15 minutes or so together would be huge. Both teams balance their rosters.

The other team would turn down Trades 1 and 2. Trade 3 makes some sense for Philly, but I'm not sure if it makes sense for us unless we lined up a good Gortat trade. Noel at PF alongside Gortat is worse than Beal at SG.

I really like Trade 2 if we could make it happen though. It might work with Nurkic in place of Jokic. But still, Denver isn't really in need of Beal when they already have Barton.

[gesa2]

I'm surprised that you think the Lakers would turn that deal down. I felt like I was buying low on both of their players:

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14538047/is-julius-randle-future-star-los-angeles-lakers-nba

[nate33]

I'm surprised that you think the Lakers would turn that deal down. I felt like I was buying low on both of their players:

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14538047/is-julius-randle-future-star-los-angeles-lakers-nba

I was thinking that the Lakers value Clarkson just as much as Beal so they'd be unwilling to include Randle in the transaction. Clarkson is as productive as Beal, and is likely to cost a heck of a lot less on his next contract. And he's not injury prone.

I might like the deal better if it was Beal for Randall plus a future protected 1st. I don't really want to give up value for Clarkson since he's available in free agency anyhow.

[deneem4]

After trying to find trades for beal...I honestly wouldn't do keeps reminding me pf the garden trade from okc...I got a feeling beal would breakout if he got his own team...and we would be left in regret, we declined the garden trade when it was offered for him and they're numbers are pretty much the same with harden still being a better handler but beal being a better pure shooter, I say we keep beal no matter what now

[Benjammin]

Harden and Beal's numbers are pretty much the same? Other than they both use numbers, not so much. I don't like Harden's attitude or lack of defense but his efficiency even in a down year dwarfs anything Beal has ever done. Beal looks like a player, flashes like a player, but for actual production not so much so far. Plus his injuries are a concern.

[Dark Faze]

there's a trade that was opined about on wizofawes

basically nene and a protected pick for ryan anderson

you could either sneer or smile at the idea of such a trade depending on perspective--on one hand this draft is reminding me of 14 where I think the rental of Gortat was completely worth it in hindsight even if we hadn't of kept him because wasting time developing and having the salary of a first rounder from a bad draft isn't really worth it. and if ryan could seriously turn our season around it could help in recruiting KD.

obvious negative is potentially losing ryan for nothing and the draft class apparently improving after the deadline...or a future stud comes from the draft.

[thricethefun]

there's a trade that was opined about on wizofawes

basically nene and a protected pick for ryan anderson

you could either sneer or smile at the idea of such a trade depending on perspective--on one hand this draft is reminding me of 14 where I think the rental of Gortat was completely worth it in hindsight even if we hadn't of kept him because wasting time developing and having the salary of a first rounder from a bad draft isn't really worth it. and if ryan could seriously turn our season around it could help in recruiting KD.

obvious negative is potentially losing ryan for nothing and the draft class apparently improving after the deadline...or a future stud comes from the draft.

You don't want to trade your only capable backup center for a big who can't play center. I'd be fine with trading for Anderson for a lottery protected 1st but I would want to trade Humphries and Blair instead of Nene

[Dark Faze]

That's fair.

[nate33]

there's a trade that was opined about on wizofawes

basically nene and a protected pick for ryan anderson

you could either sneer or smile at the idea of such a trade depending on perspective--on one hand this draft is reminding me of 14 where I think the rental of Gortat was completely worth it in hindsight even if we hadn't of kept him because wasting time developing and having the salary of a first rounder from a bad draft isn't really worth it. and if ryan could seriously turn our season around it could help in recruiting KD.

obvious negative is potentially losing ryan for nothing and the draft class apparently improving after the deadline...or a future stud comes from the draft.

Anderson is an unrestricted free agent this summer. You don't trade a 1st round pick for an unrestricted free agent. End of discussion.

[queridiculo]

Harden and Beal's numbers are pretty much the same? Other than they both use numbers, not so much. I don't like Harden's attitude or lack of defense but his efficiency even in a down year dwarfs anything Beal has ever done. Beal looks like a player, flashes like a player, but for actual production not so much so far. Plus his injuries are a concern.

I always wonder what happened to the defender that Harden was when he was still with the Thunder.

[Dark Faze]

Anderson is an unrestricted free agent this summer. You don't trade a 1st round pick for an unrestricted free agent. End of discussion.

[deneem4]

Harden and Beal's numbers are pretty much the same? Other than they both use numbers, not so much. I don't like Harden's attitude or lack of defense but his efficiency even in a down year dwarfs anything Beal has ever done. Beal looks like a player, flashes like a player, but for actual production not so much so far. Plus his injuries are a concern.

I was meaning back when harden was on the thunder.
Other than free throws and being a better ball handler( and also playing with kd n Westbrook) they're 3rd season compared isn't much different...(harden also wasn't stuck in randy system)

[deneem4]

Harden and Beal's numbers are pretty much the same? Other than they both use numbers, not so much. I don't like Harden's attitude or lack of defense but his efficiency even in a down year dwarfs anything Beal has ever done. Beal looks like a player, flashes like a player, but for actual production not so much so far. Plus his injuries are a concern.

I was meaning back when harden was on the thunder.
Other than free throws and being a better ball handler( and also playing with kd n Westbrook) they're 3rd season compared isn't much different...(harden also wasn't stuck in randy system)

[WallToWall]

You don't want to trade your only capable backup center for a big who can't play center. I'd be fine with trading for Anderson for a lottery protected 1st but I would want to trade Humphries and Blair instead of Nene

Anderson wouldnt play center. He is a PF. And As a PF, he would be better than anything we currently have. Still I wouldnt trade a 1st rnd pick for him given that he is an unrestricted FA after this season. I would trade a 2nd and Blair...if the numbers, etc, work.

[J-Ves]

Harden and Beal's numbers are pretty much the same? Other than they both use numbers, not so much. I don't like Harden's attitude or lack of defense but his efficiency even in a down year dwarfs anything Beal has ever done. Beal looks like a player, flashes like a player, but for actual production not so much so far. Plus his injuries are a concern.

I was meaning back when harden was on the thunder.
Other than free throws and being a better ball handler( and also playing with kd n Westbrook) they're 3rd season compared isn't much different...(harden also wasn't stuck in randy system)

In Hardens 3rd year he posted a .66 TS% and had a ws/48 of .230. Meanwhile, in Beal's 3rd year he had a .52 TS% and a ws/48 of .085. Those numbers aren't even close