Trade Deadline Countdown....January 2016

[thamadkant]

Derrick Williams didn't tear an ACL, Parker showed enough of who he is last year before the injury.. Would be a mistake for Milwaukee to trade him..

His numbers aren't all that different from last year though. I feel like people are overrating what he did last season prior to injury. He shot better, but only 49% EFG (compare that to Warren's 54%), but his overall WS/48 is not that much worse after injury (0.88 v. 0.60), his offensive box plus minus is identical, and his VORP is -0.3 compared to 0.1 last year. I mean, he was better last year don't get me wrong, but 1. you can't throw out an ACL injury. That matters. It can't be ignored as if he's 100% going to be who he was before, and 2. who he was before was barely above replacement level. TJ's vorp is similar (0.0 last year and 0.2 this year), but his WS/48 is much higher (0.116 this year), and he's just a much better offensive player across the board.

Sorry, but I'm taking TJ any and every day. It would be different if Parker wasn't a tweener and had more of a proven all around game, but that just isn't the case. The injury isn't an excuse, it's a reason to favor the guy with healthy ACL's.

Without context thought.
Warren came off the bench to sneak in a few points here and there last year then sits down.

Prior to injury Jabari was creating his offense and was facing starters.

Durant shot 40 percent in his rookie year too.. Then adjusted and became a superstar.


Jabari's ACL injury will affect him for the rest of the year. Its a 2 year injury... The year post op is a struggle and its still healing. Pre injury Jabari was a stud. Saw several games of him and Wiggins and Jabari looked like a bigger Paul Pierce.


Jabari is more talented than Warren and I really really like Warren. Jabari is the guy who will post guys when needed, take them face on etc. His shot will come... At 6'9 and with that solid body and mobility... He just needs a year to recuperate and get his confidence back.

[KLEON]

Would kill to somehow get Dennis Schroeder as our starting pg along with booker at the 2

I would want Elevator Ernie as our starting PG than Knight.

[rsavaj]

I'd trade Warren for Parker but that pick swap totally kills the deal

[bwgood77]

No way I would trade Warren for Parker right now. Warren was better in college and has been better in the pros, and what he needed to add to his offensive arsenal, the 3 pt shot, he did. Parker is still living on hype. I hope he gets better since I have him in fantasy, but he seems like a guy that might have been pretty good in the old nba, but he really doesn't add much value to his team this year.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Warren > Parker.

Parker could be a version of Rudy Gay, I think I'd rather Warren's x-factor.

[asudevil]

No way I would trade Warren for Parker right now. Warren was better in college and has been better in the pros, and what he needed to add to his offensive arsenal, the 3 pt shot, he did. Parker is still living on hype. I hope he gets better since I have him in fantasy, but he seems like a guy that might have been pretty good in the old nba, but he really doesn't add much value to his team this year.

Agreed. I like Parker a ton, and he'd do well on this team. But trading Warren for him feels like a lateral move. If we were talking about a 6'10/6'11 Parker, then we'd have a different story. But right now IMO we are looking at a more talented Derrick Williams. A tweener that may or may not find their role in this league. Warren will be a LEGIT SF by the end of the year. NO sense in trading him for a maybe PF/SF who may or may not be a star.

I feel like those who would trade for him would be complaining about his lack of rebounding as a PF in the near future.

Yeah the kid can excel on the offensive end, but IMO he needs to be partnered with an oversized SF who can match up well on D against PF's. He fits well with the Bucks. They have Ante who can mask the flaws of Parker on D.

[Blackification]

I'd trade Warren for Parker but that pick swap totally kills the deal

Warren would probably go top 4 or 5 in a redraft for that year. He has shown more than parker with less opportunity

just this year alone warren has played good games against the cavs, warriors, and thunder. Showing up against the big teams where it matters not feasting in garbage time either (Bknight)

[thamadkant]

On other team boards, Parker is highly regarded.

Here, since Warren is already very good, dismissing Parker seems to be easily done.

I really like Warren as I think he will be a 20ppg with minutes.

But Parker's skill level is elite.
Its not even a comparison between the two, I'm not going to compare as both have different types of game, but respect and unbiased view of Parker's situation.

He was no doubt toe to toe with Wiggins before his ACL injury... as a 19 year old.


Not this season, but next season is when Parker will be fully healed from his ACL injury, and I'm assuming he will be fully healed.
Thats the only thing holding him back.

[bwgood77]

On other team boards, Parker is highly regarded.

Here, since Warren is already very good, dismissing Parker seems to be easily done.

I really like Warren as I think he will be a 20ppg with minutes.

But Parker's skill level is elite.
Its not even a comparison between the two, I'm not going to compare as both have different types of game, but respect and unbiased view of Parker's situation.

He was no doubt toe to toe with Wiggins before his ACL injury... as a 19 year old.


Not this season, but next season is when Parker will be fully healed from his ACL injury, and I'm assuming he will be fully healed.
Thats the only thing holding him back.

Yeah, if I wasn't paying close attention, I would regard him highly as well, but lucky for batsmasher, he took advantage of that and traded him along with Mirotic to me (though Mirotic finally had a good game on my bench tonight), but Parker hasn't even played well enough to start ONCE in a 14 team fantasy league. Now that I pay close attention to him, he doesn't do anything particularly well except occasionally score or get a rebound. But we are talking like 12 and 5 in 37 minutes or something in a good game. He may have had his best game of the season in his last one with 17 and 7 in 36 minutes.

[nevetsov]

The emergence of Booker makes Knight expendable IMO. The Bledsoe injury will keep Knight around for a bit longer, probably until the offseason, but hopefully we can use Knight to upgrade another position of need. And hopefully, we can do it while his value is high, and not try to trot out any hydra rubbish with him coming off the bench next season. He's too expensive and not the ideal fit as either a backup PG or SG.

Much prefer to use Keef now to get a more appropriate backup PG like Jennings, who can play like a PG, has handles, and can spot start in case of a Bledsoe injury.

[JMac1]

On other team boards, Parker is highly regarded.

Here, since Warren is already very good, dismissing Parker seems to be easily done.

I really like Warren as I think he will be a 20ppg with minutes.

But Parker's skill level is elite.
Its not even a comparison between the two, I'm not going to compare as both have different types of game, but respect and unbiased view of Parker's situation.

He was no doubt toe to toe with Wiggins before his ACL injury... as a 19 year old.


Not this season, but next season is when Parker will be fully healed from his ACL injury, and I'm assuming he will be fully healed.
Thats the only thing holding him back.

That is because most people don't watch the games, they believe what they hear and don't bother seeing it for themselves. Sometimes it is hard to let go of a player who was considered great, for example, Beasley, Thabeet, Wesley Johnson, Derrick Willimas and the lot; those guys have to flame out really bad when untouted players such as Warren and Booker has to go apechit to get a place at the table.

If these guys were high picks and played with high profile teams, the love they would be getting right now would be incredible. People love swimming in denial river to avoid being wrong about something.

[JMac1]

On other team boards, Parker is highly regarded.

Here, since Warren is already very good, dismissing Parker seems to be easily done.

I really like Warren as I think he will be a 20ppg with minutes.

But Parker's skill level is elite.
Its not even a comparison between the two, I'm not going to compare as both have different types of game, but respect and unbiased view of Parker's situation.

He was no doubt toe to toe with Wiggins before his ACL injury... as a 19 year old.


Not this season, but next season is when Parker will be fully healed from his ACL injury, and I'm assuming he will be fully healed.
Thats the only thing holding him back.

Yeah, if I wasn't paying close attention, I would regard him highly as well, but lucky for batsmasher, he took advantage of that and traded him along with Mirotic to me (though Mirotic finally had a good game on my bench tonight), but Parker hasn't even played well enough to start ONCE in a 14 team fantasy league. Now that I pay close attention to him, he doesn't do anything particularly well except occasionally score or get a rebound. But we are talking like 12 and 5 in 37 minutes or something in a good game. He may have had his best game of the season in his last one with 17 and 7 in 36 minutes.

Nothing like owning a fantasy player and learning a player's true value. BTW, I won my fantasy league $450.00

QB: Big Ben, Tanniehill, Stafford
RB: Peterson, Doug Martin Waviers, David Johnson waviers (living in Phoenix ), Lamar Thomas
WR: Beckham, D Hopkins, Mike Evans, Jordan Mathews (Eagles fan inside info)
TE: Gronkowski
Kicker: Crosby and Vinateri and they didn't do jack.
Def: Seattle and Philly, they didn't do jack.

Seven man league. It wasn't even close. If Big Ben would have been healthy all season......

[RunDogGun]

So I saw a rumor we are going after Rondo? Anyone hear or see this?

[Fo-Real]

Why?

[SSOL]

So I saw a rumor we are going after Rondo? Anyone hear or see this?

Link?

[RunDogGun]

So I saw a rumor we are going after Rondo? Anyone hear or see this?

Link?

I don't know if they are credible or not, most likely just speculating, but here it is:
http://www.youthhealthmag.com/articles/31144/20160109/nba-trade-rumors-rajon-rondo-phoenix-suns-eric-bledsoe-out.htm

[AtheJ415]

Derrick Williams didn't tear an ACL, Parker showed enough of who he is last year before the injury.. Would be a mistake for Milwaukee to trade him..

His numbers aren't all that different from last year though. I feel like people are overrating what he did last season prior to injury. He shot better, but only 49% EFG (compare that to Warren's 54%), but his overall WS/48 is not that much worse after injury (0.88 v. 0.60), his offensive box plus minus is identical, and his VORP is -0.3 compared to 0.1 last year. I mean, he was better last year don't get me wrong, but 1. you can't throw out an ACL injury. That matters. It can't be ignored as if he's 100% going to be who he was before, and 2. who he was before was barely above replacement level. TJ's vorp is similar (0.0 last year and 0.2 this year), but his WS/48 is much higher (0.116 this year), and he's just a much better offensive player across the board.

Sorry, but I'm taking TJ any and every day. It would be different if Parker wasn't a tweener and had more of a proven all around game, but that just isn't the case. The injury isn't an excuse, it's a reason to favor the guy with healthy ACL's.

Without context thought.
Warren came off the bench to sneak in a few points here and there last year then sits down.

Prior to injury Jabari was creating his offense and was facing starters.

Durant shot 40 percent in his rookie year too.. Then adjusted and became a superstar.


Jabari's ACL injury will affect him for the rest of the year. Its a 2 year injury... The year post op is a struggle and its still healing. Pre injury Jabari was a stud. Saw several games of him and Wiggins and Jabari looked like a bigger Paul Pierce.


Jabari is more talented than Warren and I really really like Warren. Jabari is the guy who will post guys when needed, take them face on etc. His shot will come... At 6'9 and with that solid body and mobility... He just needs a year to recuperate and get his confidence back.

That would be valid if TJ didn't come in this year, start, and in his starts put up his best numbers. Jabari is a PF masquerading as a SF who can't shoot 3s, defend, or rebound, all of which at a below average level, and he has been that guy for 2 years. He's been a myth thus far, similar to Mirotic's myth as a great, or even good, shooter.

[AtheJ415]

Rondo would be a disaster. I pray that's not true.

[AtheJ415]

Ok.. since I'm here.. That's an awful trade for Sacramento, insanely good value for Milwaukee on Parker, and apart from the pick swap, Warren/Morris/Tucker for Jabari is a huge steal. Don't overrate Warren and underrate Parker.

People were saying the same thing about a potential "Derrick Williams for Keef+Gortat" trade a couple years ago.

Warren was better than Parker in college and is better in the NBA so far. TJ also doesn't have health and conditioning issues and has a better contract. Pick swap could make a huge difference too.

As an outside observer who doesn't have any fan based attachment to any of the players, I'd have to say Parker is worth way more than Warren/Morris/Tucker. Due to the injury last year Parker still gets valued mainly on upside. He may never become a great player, but the chance still exists for him to be on a whole other level from any of Warren/Morris/Tucker.

Nobody here is suggesting Morris or Tucker at all. But Warren, there are simply 0 numbers in college or the NBA that suggests that Jabari is better. His numbers are worse across the board, even before injury, and despite getting more consistent PT.

[RunDogGun]

Rondo would be a disaster. I pray that's not true.

Normally I would agree, but he is averaging 11.7/6.4/11.6 shooting 33% from three. But I don't see why Sac would trade him now.