Trade Deadline Countdown....January 2016

[bwgood77]

On other team boards, Parker is highly regarded.

Here, since Warren is already very good, dismissing Parker seems to be easily done.

I really like Warren as I think he will be a 20ppg with minutes.

But Parker's skill level is elite.
Its not even a comparison between the two, I'm not going to compare as both have different types of game, but respect and unbiased view of Parker's situation.

He was no doubt toe to toe with Wiggins before his ACL injury... as a 19 year old.


Not this season, but next season is when Parker will be fully healed from his ACL injury, and I'm assuming he will be fully healed.
Thats the only thing holding him back.

Yeah, if I wasn't paying close attention, I would regard him highly as well, but lucky for batsmasher, he took advantage of that and traded him along with Mirotic to me (though Mirotic finally had a good game on my bench tonight), but Parker hasn't even played well enough to start ONCE in a 14 team fantasy league. Now that I pay close attention to him, he doesn't do anything particularly well except occasionally score or get a rebound. But we are talking like 12 and 5 in 37 minutes or something in a good game. He may have had his best game of the season in his last one with 17 and 7 in 36 minutes.

Nothing like owning a fantasy player and learning a player's true value. BTW, I won my fantasy league $450.00

QB: Big Ben, Tanniehill, Stafford
RB: Peterson, Doug Martin Waviers, David Johnson waviers (living in Phoenix ), Lamar Thomas
WR: Beckham, D Hopkins, Mike Evans, Jordan Mathews (Eagles fan inside info)
TE: Gronkowski
Kicker: Crosby and Vinateri and they didn't do jack.
Def: Seattle and Philly, they didn't do jack.

Seven man league. It wasn't even close. If Big Ben would have been healthy all season......

Congrats. I got Doug Martin off of waivers one week and he had like the biggest week in all of fantasy the week I picked him up.

[bwgood77]

So I saw a rumor we are going after Rondo? Anyone hear or see this?

Link?

I don't know if they are credible or not, most likely just speculating, but here it is:
http://www.youthhealthmag.com/articles/31144/20160109/nba-trade-rumors-rajon-rondo-phoenix-suns-eric-bledsoe-out.htm

Definitely credible. youth health mag is my go to for the most breaking sports news.

That article links to VotS which suggest what one blogger thinks the Suns should do. I wouldn't even call that a rumor that we are going after Rondo.

[AtheJ415]

Rondo would be a disaster. I pray that's not true.

Normally I would agree, but he is averaging 11.7/6.4/11.6 shooting 33% from three. But I don't see why Sac would trade him now.

Me neither, and he's having a good year, but he's a huge mental case. Maybe worse than Markieff. The Mavs as a team (players voted on it) didn't give him a playoff share of salary and Carlisle sent him home in game 2 of a playoff series IIRC. The shooting also to me probably won't hold at 33%. Rondo will always be a guy who puts up numbers, but he's a bad teammate, a bad leader, kills spacing, and is no longer a good defender. I just don't see why we'd want him. I'd rather get Jennings if we're going to do that, or Rubio, who is much younger and a great defender. I'm no Rubio fan, but I"d rather have the good teammate who is young enough to help us long term. Who knows, maybe Hornacek can fix his awful jumper.

[RunDogGun]

Rondo would be a disaster. I pray that's not true.

Normally I would agree, but he is averaging 11.7/6.4/11.6 shooting 33% from three. But I don't see why Sac would trade him now.

Me neither, and he's having a good year, but he's a huge mental case. Maybe worse than Markieff. The Mavs as a team (players voted on it) didn't give him a playoff share of salary and Carlisle sent him home in game 2 of a playoff series IIRC. The shooting also to me probably won't hold at 33%. Rondo will always be a guy who puts up numbers, but he's a bad teammate, a bad leader, kills spacing, and is no longer a good defender. I just don't see why we'd want him. I'd rather get Jennings if we're going to do that, or Rubio, who is much younger and a great defender. I'm no Rubio fan, but I"d rather have the good teammate who is young enough to help us long term. Who knows, maybe Hornacek can fix his awful jumper.

I wouldn't mind Rubio, but I'd like to move Knight for him if that was a possibility. But any Knight move would have to wait until the 14th of this month. If we were to move Knight though, it would be a sign of acknowledging the mistake to go after him. We'd also have to throw in a pick, in essence making it two picks because of the one we lost with the LA pick, unless we move the Cavs pick, which we got in the trade. Then it would just be one pick. But I don't see why the Wolves would do that either.

[RunDogGun]

Link?

I don't know if they are credible or not, most likely just speculating, but here it is:
http://www.youthhealthmag.com/articles/31144/20160109/nba-trade-rumors-rajon-rondo-phoenix-suns-eric-bledsoe-out.htm

Definitely credible. youth health mag is my go to for the most breaking sports news.

That article links to VotS which suggest what one blogger thinks the Suns should do. I wouldn't even call that a rumor that we are going after Rondo.

I agree, but the title said "trade rumors", that's why I called it such.

[8on]

here's a weird one for all the pessimists:

PHX sends Brandon Knight, Tyson Chandler and Markieff Morris to Chicago
CHI sends Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson and Kirk Hinrich to Phoenix

[AtheJ415]

here's a weird one for all the pessimists:

PHX sends Brandon Knight, Tyson Chandler and Markieff Morris to Chicago
CHI sends Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson and Kirk Hinrich to Phoenix

Vomit inducing imo.

Derrick Rose is done. He is hoping to one day dunk again. Chicago is considering waiving him. Why take him on for any price? Gibson is the only player worthwhile in that entire group, and Knight is 24 and talented. I'd much rather gamble on Knight than any player in that trade.

[bwgood77]

here's a weird one for all the pessimists:

PHX sends Brandon Knight, Tyson Chandler and Markieff Morris to Chicago
CHI sends Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson and Kirk Hinrich to Phoenix

That looks like that would make Chicago quite a bit better, yet I'm sure there are many Suns fans here who would do that.

[Damkac]

Maybe the "Knight is Hitler" squad would do that but nobody sane should even consider this.

[Barkley_34]

So I saw a rumor we are going after Rondo? Anyone hear or see this?

Link?

I don't know if they are credible or not, most likely just speculating, but here it is:
http://www.youthhealthmag.com/articles/31144/20160109/nba-trade-rumors-rajon-rondo-phoenix-suns-eric-bledsoe-out.htm

Jesus no! rondo is done man.

[carey]

here's a weird one for all the pessimists:

PHX sends Brandon Knight, Tyson Chandler and Markieff Morris to Chicago
CHI sends Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson and Kirk Hinrich to Phoenix

That looks like that would make Chicago quite a bit better, yet I'm sure there are many Suns fans here who would do that.

I would need Bobby Portis to take on Rose for $21M next year. This deal would leave us in a really good place after next season too. Enough money to go after two tier 1 FAs if we don't sign anyone next Summer. Blake and Russ? Ibaka and DeRozan? Iggy? along with Warren, Bledsoe, Booker, Portis, Len and 2 drafts of really high picks. Say an Ingram/Labissiere plus another top 5 pick. You'd have to be o.k. with dumping next year as well as the remainder of this year. It's the same idea behind me wanting to trade Knight, Kieff, and Chandler for JJ & Lopez only you delay the rebuild a year and draft high in 2 drafts. Which ultimately may be smarter because everyone has cap space this summer and thus the value of having money available is decreased.

[RunDogGun]

But getting Rose is like picking first in the draft many years ago....right?

[bwgood77]

here's a weird one for all the pessimists:

PHX sends Brandon Knight, Tyson Chandler and Markieff Morris to Chicago
CHI sends Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson and Kirk Hinrich to Phoenix

That looks like that would make Chicago quite a bit better, yet I'm sure there are many Suns fans here who would do that.

I would need Bobby Portis to take on Rose for $21M next year. This deal would leave us in a really good place after next season too. Enough money to go after two tier 1 FAs if we don't sign anyone next Summer. Blake and Russ? Ibaka and DeRozan? Iggy? along with Warren, Bledsoe, Booker, Portis, Len and 2 drafts of really high picks. Say an Ingram/Labissiere plus another top 5 pick. You'd have to be o.k. with dumping next year as well as the remainder of this year. It's the same idea behind me wanting to trade Knight, Kieff, and Chandler for JJ & Lopez only you delay the rebuild a year and draft high in 2 drafts. Which ultimately may be smarter because everyone has cap space this summer and thus the value of having money available is decreased.

It sounds like you think Chandler is worth dumping, and maybe Knight, so even with just Chandler you would be dumping $39 million for the next three years and only have to pay Rose $21 for 1. So not sure why you think we would be owed something like Portis for that. If you think Knight isn't worth his contract, add on them taking on another $56 million for the next for years. So even excluding getting out of the Markieff deal (many seem to think he has negative value too), that would be a strange way to demand Portis...the fact we have to take on a lot of money for one year (when we are really the ones dumping salaries in the long run) for those two.

All that being said, I wouldn't do the original deal, and would probably do it with Portis in it, so in the end, I guess I kind of agree with you.

[RunDogGun]

Yep, Portis or nothing (that they would ever give up) from Chi.

[kennydorglas]

I watched Rose against Boston and he's starting to get his atleticism and swagger back.
But I wouldnt touch him at all... he's creating some tension with Butler as well (still thinks he's a top player in the league)... complain against calls all the time (just imagine him playing here)

oh boy... just dont

[8on]

Chicago would add Portis. This puts them into title contention. If they did this trade, their front court would be Pau Gasol, Markieff Morris, Tyson Chandler, Nikola Mirotic and Joakim Noah. Talk about stacked. They'd be glad to deal Portis.

I would.......probably do this deal, but I like Knight. Can I do both? In my head, yes.

What I have said, and what I have always said, is that as far as 3 pt shooters go, you have your Khris Middletons, your JJ Redicks, your Danny Greens. Then there's the top echelon, which is Korver, Curry, Thompson. Somewhere on that second tier is Brandon Knight, who is the youngest. If all four conference finalists from last year were among the top 10 in threes attempted, then Knight is a guy to keep. So is Devin Booker, but it's clear to me that Booket isn't a full time starter yet. Not this week, anyway.

I think that going after a guy like Brandon Ingram is....nice, but ultimately fool's gold. Ben Simmons is THE guy. LeBron was the guy, Wiggins was the guy, Towns is the guy at center for the near future, and Simmons is that guy. You see Melo's playoff record? Either you get the guy, probably by luck, or you don't. If TJ Warren becomes as consistent and as good as I think he can be, playing Ingram next to him isn't the solution. We'll get out rebounded, teed up in the paint, and we'll never make it to the first round for the next decade.

That's why Philly's strategy was always attractive to me. They don't want Eric Bledsoe; they want the next James Harden. They know that only that tier of guys will get them that kind of a player.

I think we are, with this roster, on the way to something really good. Bledsoe's injury presents us with an opportunity to pseudo-tank, as the Pacers and Thunder did last year. If we trade a worn down Tyson, I don't have a problem with that. In truth, I think he just has the first hamstring injury of his career. Actually, he hasn't been terrible the last five games. Couple of double doubles in there.

I think that some combination of Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, Devin Booker, T.J. Warren and Jon Leuer could be really, really good. I'm liking Ivan Rabb, for the record. He looks like a young Tyson. There a number of ways to make this roster work. We're not there yet, but I don't think 7-5 was a fluke. It coincided almost exactly with Tyson's injury. Look for a similar start at the beginning of next year, perhaps with an interesting young rook in tow....

[RaisingArizona]

here's a weird one for all the pessimists:

PHX sends Brandon Knight, Tyson Chandler and Markieff Morris to Chicago
CHI sends Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson and Kirk Hinrich to Phoenix

Vomit inducing imo.

Derrick Rose is done. He is hoping to one day dunk again. Chicago is considering waiving him. Why take him on for any price? Gibson is the only player worthwhile in that entire group, and Knight is 24 and talented. I'd much rather gamble on Knight than any player in that trade.

I agree AJ. My reaction to that proposal is yikes.

[JohnWall2]

Rondo is not done but I still don't see why we would make that move. Makes no sense at all considering where we're at presently.

Portis on the other hand would be a great addition. Problem is the Bulls are stacked in the front court at the moment so offering up Kieff may not be that appealing to them, although in saying that he brings a different skill set to the 4 spot. Where they can use help is on the wing, maybe offering Tucker as a 3 and D along with Kieff would be enough to land Portis plus a salary filler in order for the Bulls to make perhaps a run with their very much aging core.......

[TASTIC]

Clippers have won 9 straight...8 of those without Blake.

My question -- which I assume is 1% CHANCE -- would be, do the Clippers even look at something like this?

Chandler+Markieff+Goodwin+CLE 1st
for
Blake+Crawford

?

No reasoning necessary for the Suns side of things obviously.

Clippers bolster their team with vets up front and a young guard and obviously a 1st. Kieff at worst is Blake-lite in terms of his skill-set of scoring, average rebounding for a PF and above-average passing ability. Chandler gives CP3 his old school lob partner and then they off-load Crawford and his expiring too. I'd throw Weems in too and take back Josh Smith if they need more wing help.

Are there any amount of picks that would get us Blake? Obviously they'd ask for more, like include Tucker + Len rather than Chandler probably...

[Saberestar]

The Clippers trading Blake Griffin??
No way.