Trade Deadline Countdown....January 2016

[TASTIC]

The Clippers trading Blake Griffin??
No way.

I know, I dream.

I think Cousins, or maybe Brook Lopez are the only big profile stars I could see being pried from their current team with the right package of players/picks and the right amount of turmoil from their current team. Howard potentially as well, but I don't want him at all.

Lesser guys like Faried (don't want) or Gallinari (for Kieff + Archie) I would trade for too.

Terrence Jones is the guy, both teams just waiting on the Brewer contract situation I reckon. Would love to get Harrell back somehow too...And my guy KJ McDaniels!

[bwgood77]

The Clippers trading Blake Griffin??
No way.

I know, I dream.

I think Cousins, or maybe Brook Lopez are the only big profile stars I could see being pried from their current team with the right package of players/picks and the right amount of turmoil from their current team. Howard potentially as well, but I don't want him at all.

Lesser guys like Faried (don't want) or Gallinari (for Kieff + Archie) I would trade for too.

Terrence Jones is the guy, both teams just waiting on the Brewer contract situation I reckon. Would love to get Harrell back somehow too...And my guy KJ McDaniels!

Is Brook Lopez a big profile star? How many times has he even been an all star?

[TASTIC]

The Clippers trading Blake Griffin??
No way.

I know, I dream.

I think Cousins, or maybe Brook Lopez are the only big profile stars I could see being pried from their current team with the right package of players/picks and the right amount of turmoil from their current team. Howard potentially as well, but I don't want him at all.

Lesser guys like Faried (don't want) or Gallinari (for Kieff + Archie) I would trade for too.

Terrence Jones is the guy, both teams just waiting on the Brewer contract situation I reckon. Would love to get Harrell back somehow too...And my guy KJ McDaniels!

Is Brook Lopez a big profile star? How many times has he even been an all star?

I think he's a star in that he can be your best big, or at the least he's an extremely effective 20-9-2 guy night in night out. He's not in Cousins' or Blake's league but he's definitely a tier above Faried and Gallo. Probably a notch behind guys like Favors maybe when you factor age and contract in.

If he came to the Suns he'd be our best player which would make him a star!

[Saberestar]

“Being in Phoenix, I never really knew what my role was, I don’t think nobody did,” he said. “Everybody was out there just playing. That’s one thing [Van Gundy] being a great coach, he makes it clear what your role is.”

While Marcus is flourishing, Markieff is waiting for a change of scenery.

“He’s in good spirits,” Marcus said of his brother. “Whatever team he ends up going to, he’s still going to be that same player. He’s just excited to see what’s next and where he’s going. Some things were said about him in the press and I know that’s totally wrong. People talk about adversity; coming from where we come from [Philadelphia] is adversity. This is small stuff. He’ll get over it fast.”

When asked about Sarver’s comments, Marcus said: “He don’t know what he’s talking about. He doesn’t even know basketball. He just owns the team. He don’t know nothing of what he talks about. We just let that type of stuff breeze [past], laugh at it because it’s funny.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2016/01/09/morris-twins-are-having-opposite-seasons/ol1FdS3PZsLuj7G37BKssN/story.html

The sad thing is that probably all that stuff is true.

[King4Day]

“Being in Phoenix, I never really knew what my role was, I don’t think nobody did,” he said. “Everybody was out there just playing. That’s one thing [Van Gundy] being a great coach, he makes it clear what your role is.”

While Marcus is flourishing, Markieff is waiting for a change of scenery.

“He’s in good spirits,” Marcus said of his brother. “Whatever team he ends up going to, he’s still going to be that same player. He’s just excited to see what’s next and where he’s going. Some things were said about him in the press and I know that’s totally wrong. People talk about adversity; coming from where we come from [Philadelphia] is adversity. This is small stuff. He’ll get over it fast.”

When asked about Sarver’s comments, Marcus said: “He don’t know what he’s talking about. He doesn’t even know basketball. He just owns the team. He don’t know nothing of what he talks about. We just let that type of stuff breeze [past], laugh at it because it’s funny.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2016/01/09/morris-twins-are-having-opposite-seasons/ol1FdS3PZsLuj7G37BKssN/story.html

The sad thing is that probably all that stuff is true.

That's why I've kinda kept quiet on the Morris' trash talk about our team. A lot of what they say, sadly, is likely true. It's not like Marcus and Markieff are the first to bad mouth the Suns. If Green and Dragic also have/had issues, then something is seriously wrong.

Thing is, is this due to Sarver or is it all on McDonough, Hornacek, and Babby. That's what the telltale will be with regards to what direction this franchise goes.
It's reasons like this that fans of teams like the Kings and Suns envy Dallas. An owner who loves basketball and his team and will do anything (within reason) to win.

[King4Day]

And we know how this'll play out. A team will acquire Kieff, he'll be given a role and new vote of confidence, and he'll be the motivated Morris of 2 years ago again. Then we'll be kicking ourselves for not getting more for him.

I don't think we are players anymore in free agency. Not with this regime. 2 years ago I thought we'd at least be in the running for Durant (no more). We need to blow this thing up and build it from ground up while letting Booker, Warren, Len, and even Goodwin develop.

[bwgood77]

“Being in Phoenix, I never really knew what my role was, I don’t think nobody did,” he said. “Everybody was out there just playing. That’s one thing [Van Gundy] being a great coach, he makes it clear what your role is.”

While Marcus is flourishing, Markieff is waiting for a change of scenery.

“He’s in good spirits,” Marcus said of his brother. “Whatever team he ends up going to, he’s still going to be that same player. He’s just excited to see what’s next and where he’s going. Some things were said about him in the press and I know that’s totally wrong. People talk about adversity; coming from where we come from [Philadelphia] is adversity. This is small stuff. He’ll get over it fast.”

When asked about Sarver’s comments, Marcus said: “He don’t know what he’s talking about. He doesn’t even know basketball. He just owns the team. He don’t know nothing of what he talks about. We just let that type of stuff breeze [past], laugh at it because it’s funny.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2016/01/09/morris-twins-are-having-opposite-seasons/ol1FdS3PZsLuj7G37BKssN/story.html

The sad thing is that probably all that stuff is true.

That's why I've kinda kept quiet on the Morris' trash talk about our team. A lot of what they say, sadly, is likely true. It's not like Marcus and Markieff are the first to bad mouth the Suns. If Green and Dragic also have/had issues, then something is seriously wrong.

Thing is, is this due to Sarver or is it all on McDonough, Hornacek, and Babby. That's what the telltale will be with regards to what direction this franchise goes.
It's reasons like this that fans of teams like the Kings and Suns envy Dallas. An owner who loves basketball and his team and will do anything (within reason) to win.

Everyone plays a part, but as Sarver even said himself, it all starts at the top. I think McD is pretty savvy with his deals, and holding out for the right ones in trades to maximize value, but I think the part he misses is how, despite maybe getting a lesser deal than you could get later, it might be better to cut your losses and dump a player or players before their playing time/lack of playing time, creates dissension in the locker room.

Now if McD and Hornacek had a longer timetable to work with, having short term disgruntled players disrupting current chemistry would be inconsequential and holding out for the right trade would make sense regardless, because it is all about a long term plan.

But Sarver is never about long term, but about quick fixes and short cuts. It's tough for anyone to have established roles with interchanging pieces, young players, rebuilding, wait, no, lets play vets instead, etc..or try signing a third starting caliber pg or whatever.

[bwgood77]

So would you do Markieff and Goodwin for Jones, Brewer and Dekker?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

So would you do Markieff and Goodwin for Jones, Brewer and Dekker?

I think that's a fair deal for both teams. I don't love the return, but it is a return. I only do it if our scouts and coaching staff are higher on Dekker than they are on Archie, obviously. I like Dekker's potential as a 3-and-D type, but we'd have to take a good, long look at the back issue.

[Saberestar]

So would you do Markieff and Goodwin for Jones, Brewer and Dekker?

No. I wouldn't trade Goodwin. He is under contract for the next year too, so I want to play him in this second part of the season to really see if he can be a keeper.

If we are out of the playoffs race before trade deadline we are going to trade (probably) Teletovic, Markieff, Weems and Tucker. Probably even Chandler or Price too. IDK...but we are going to have enough minutes for him after the All Star break, and his value is low...I want to see him a little more.

[bwgood77]

So would you do Markieff and Goodwin for Jones, Brewer and Dekker?

No. I wouldn't trade Goodwin. He is under contract for the next year too, so I want to play him in this second part of the season to really see if he can be a keeper.

If we are out of the playoffs race before trade deadline, we are going to trade (probably) Teletovic, Markieff, Weems and Tucker. Probably even Chandler or Price too. IDK...but we are going to have enough minutes for him after the All Star break, and his value is low...I want to see him a little more.

So you think Goodwin has more upside and is a bigger positional need on this team than a guy like Dekker?

[Saberestar]

So would you do Markieff and Goodwin for Jones, Brewer and Dekker?

No. I wouldn't trade Goodwin. He is under contract for the next year too, so I want to play him in this second part of the season to really see if he can be a keeper.

If we are out of the playoffs race before trade deadline, we are going to trade (probably) Teletovic, Markieff, Weems and Tucker. Probably even Chandler or Price too. IDK...but we are going to have enough minutes for him after the All Star break, and his value is low...I want to see him a little more.

So you think Goodwin has more upside and is a bigger positional need on this team than a guy like Dekker?

Ummm...It is a good question (with McDonough's voice).

Dekker has back problems and he is an unknown player. He is not younger than Goodwin, and I don't know if he can play PF, who is our biggest need. So I am 50/50 about trading Goodwin for Dekker.

I don't like trading Markieff for Brewer/Jones, so putting everything together I wouldn't do that trade.

[bwgood77]

No. I wouldn't trade Goodwin. He is under contract for the next year too, so I want to play him in this second part of the season to really see if he can be a keeper.

If we are out of the playoffs race before trade deadline, we are going to trade (probably) Teletovic, Markieff, Weems and Tucker. Probably even Chandler or Price too. IDK...but we are going to have enough minutes for him after the All Star break, and his value is low...I want to see him a little more.

So you think Goodwin has more upside and is a bigger positional need on this team than a guy like Dekker?

Ummm...It is a good question (with McDonough's voice).

Dekker has back problems and he is an unknown player. He is not younger than Goodwin, and I don't know if he can play PF, who is our biggest need. So I am 50/50 about trading Goodwin for Dekker.

I don't like trading Markieff for Brewer/Jones, so putting everything together I wouldn't do that trade.

Yeah, depending on the back problems, it would depend on him passing our physical. I don't think he can play traditional 4, but think he could be a good small ball four and backup for Warren at the 3.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

The three questions remaining for Archie are (1) whether he'll ever be able to cut down on the turnovers; (2) whether his 3 point shot will ever be serviceable; and (3) whether he will ever be a solid team defender. He doesn't need to be above-average in any of these respects - his ability to get to the hole is elite, so if he's average in other areas, he'll be a good player in this league. I trust our scouts and staff to know better than I whether Dekker or Archie is more likely to be an NBA player by the end of their respective rookie contracts (keeping in mind that Dekker's is two years longer).

[Jdiddy701]

So either my friend lied to me about seeing Eric Bledsoe last week without crutches or Bledsoe is faking.

Coro just tweeted a picture of Bled on crutches. LOL


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[saintEscaton]

I'd do Archie+Keef for TJones+ KJ McDaniels if they're willing to part with both. Doubt they deal Dekker so early

[Saberestar]

A little bit off topic, but Bogdan Bogdanovic is playing great basketball the last few games. I was concerned because he wasn't playing well early in the season.

Bogdan Bogdanovic @LeaderOfHorde last 5 games: average:
18 pts 4.6 rebs 1.8 ass with 50% 3PT shooting

https://mobile.twitter.com/alexraskovic/status/686632700686536706

[NavLDO]

A little bit off topic, but Bogdan Bogdanovic is playing great basketball the last few games. I was concerned because he wasn't playing well early in the season.

Bogdan Bogdanovic @LeaderOfHorde last 5 games: average:
18 pts 4.6 rebs 1.8 ass with 50% 3PT shooting

https://mobile.twitter.com/alexraskovic/status/686632700686536706

Might not be too far off topic. Bogdanovic is more than likely one of our biggest trade chips; easily one of the top 5, I would think.

But if not, glad to hear he's playing well. Is he playing primarily the 2,or is he getting any minutes at the 3 as well? Anyone know?

We really do have a solid young corps, and would love to spend the remainder of the season giving these guys 30 minutes a game. Let's save Chandler and Telly for next season, keep him down to 10 min/gm or something, and only play Weems and Price only when necessary. Trade Kieff and Tucker for a pick and a "young 4/5":

Knight / Goodwin
Booker / Brown
Warren / Weems
Leuer / Warren / "Young 4/5"
Len / "Young 4/5"

DNP: Chandler, Price, Tele

What's that, a 9 man rotation? Go full blown YOUNG!! Eat your heart out, Sixers and Wolves!!!

2016/2017

Knight / Goodwin / (Draft Pick [Cavs])
Booker / Bogdan / Brown
Warren / Weems / (Draft Pick [trade from Tucker/Kieff])
Leuer / Teletovic / "Young 4/5" / (Draft Pick [Top 5])
Len / Chandler / "Young 4/5"

Bring out the Tank!!! (And can we please not screw it up this time by playing too well!!)

What's wrong with me--did I just join the dark side? I don't feel so well....

[Damkac]

You want to trade Bledsoe or just forgot about him?

[NavLDO]

You want to trade Bledsoe or just forgot about him?

HaHa...out of sight, out of mind, I guess. No, he can stay, I guess! Thanks for catching that!