Oklahoma City Thunder Regular Season 2015-2016 Part 2

[TheBeardedMan]

Boo Hoo guys! Stop tripping so much. That was just one game. Get it together. We'll bounce back.

Keep y'all heads up!

[getrichordie]

Also, posted on WTLC and reddit but the issue seems to be Kanter/the bench. But Kanter's fallen real hard on D. In November had a DRtg around 103. Last 10 games? 114.9.

He is certainly apart of the problem on the bench. There is no question. I think it would do us good to bench/trade Waiters and give Singler some run. Singler shows up on defense but not in the stat box. He makes hustle plays and sticks on his man. He would immediately improve the bench from a defensive standpoint. But it doesn't help that you have Payne, Morrow, and Collison as your other bench guys. Collison, while savvy and experienced, is old. Morrow, while improving, is still god awful on defense and Payne just gets beat regularly, albeit maybe not as bad as Augustin.

P.S. What is WTLC? Is that a radio station?

Welcome To Loud City, SB Nation's Thunder blog. I like it way better than Daily Thunder. Soonerule writes for them too, he's a wise man.

Cool. I'll have to check it out! Daily Thunder is a nice little blog to get a recap and snap shot of the game from a different perspective. I like the value it provides. I'll have to check out WTLC, though.

On to another topic. I have an idea that might shake things up in OKC enough to wake everyone up. Cut Waiters No seriously, I've talked about this before, and I think it is worth pondering. I know this move wouldn't be popular with fans, but I wonder if we can pull off trading Ibaka, getting comparable defense in return at a cheaper price while adding balanced defensive value to our bench rotation. So Ibaka + Collison for parts [not so much of a drop off on D] + [good defensive rotation player at the wing] + Perkins

Seriously, though! Take a look at it. A guy like Lavoy Allen is someone we can target. We would still have Durant, Westbrook, Kanter, Payne, Morrow as scoring options. Westbrook and Durant seem to be able to make guys like Roberson and Waiters and Adams seem like better versions of themselves. Of course, ideally, we would trade Kanter and get more balanced stronger bench in return, but I don't see anyone touching Kanter's contract right now. We are pretty much stuck with him.

[bondom34]

He is certainly apart of the problem on the bench. There is no question. I think it would do us good to bench/trade Waiters and give Singler some run. Singler shows up on defense but not in the stat box. He makes hustle plays and sticks on his man. He would immediately improve the bench from a defensive standpoint. But it doesn't help that you have Payne, Morrow, and Collison as your other bench guys. Collison, while savvy and experienced, is old. Morrow, while improving, is still god awful on defense and Payne just gets beat regularly, albeit maybe not as bad as Augustin.

P.S. What is WTLC? Is that a radio station?

Welcome To Loud City, SB Nation's Thunder blog. I like it way better than Daily Thunder. Soonerule writes for them too, he's a wise man.

Cool. I'll have to check it out! Daily Thunder is a nice little blog to get a recap and snap shot of the game from a different perspective. I like the value it provides. I'll have to check out WTLC, though.

On to another topic. I have an idea that might shake things up in OKC enough to wake everyone up. Cut Waiters No seriously, I've talked about this before, and I think it is worth pondering. I know this move wouldn't be popular with fans, but I wonder if we can pull off trading Ibaka, getting comparable defense in return at a cheaper price while adding balanced defensive value to our bench rotation. So Ibaka + Collison for parts [not so much of a drop off on D] + [good defensive rotation player at the wing] + Perkins

Seriously, though! Take a look at it. A guy like Lavoy Allen is someone we can target. We would still have Durant, Westbrook, Kanter, Payne, Morrow as scoring options. Westbrook and Durant seem to be able to make guys like Roberson and Waiters and Adams seem like better versions of themselves. Of course, ideally, we would trade Kanter and get more balanced stronger bench in return, but I don't see anyone touching Kanter's contract right now. We are pretty much stuck with him.

I thought of it, but they can't, he's too important to the defense. I'm fine w/ benching Dion, I'd be all for it. But if they trade Ibaka you need a guy who can defend as well as he can and stretch the floor. There's nobody in the league who does it, for all we complain about him, he's too unique to ever trade.

Kanter's gonna have to go sometime, because they have to keep Adams.

[TheBeardedMan]

??? Aright you've officially lost it lol

Basically you want us to take a step back.... Uhh no thanks

If anything we can at least trade Waiters for something. He does have value you know. What we need is some energy on this team.. You know who can bring that plus his defense. Joakim Noah

[bondom34]

??? Aright you've officially lost it lol

Basically you want us to take a step back.... Uhh no thanks

If anything we can at least trade Waiters for something. He does have value you know. What we need is some energy on this team.. You know who can bring that plus his defense. Joakim Noah

I don't think Waiters has value honestly. And they just don't have the assets for Noah.

[TheBeardedMan]

Then trade Waiters, Singler, McGary for a wing player.. Maybe Tyreak Evans, Tony Allen, KJ McDaniels, (ya'll favorite PJ Tucker).. Someone that can bring in that hard nose toughness. Someone who is willing to motivate his teammates to work extra hard on both sides

[bondom34]

Though I am much calmer than last night. Just whatever w/ that game lol.

[bondom34]

Then trade Waiters, Singler, McGary for a wing player.. Maybe Tyreak Evans, Tony Allen, KJ McDaniels, (ya'll favorite PJ Tucker).. Someone that can bring in that hard nose toughness. Someone who is willing to motivate his teammates to work extra hard on both sides

If you leave out Singler maybe Phoenix does Waiters/McGary for Tucker, or maybe you get Allen. Not getting outta Singler's contract that easy.

[getrichordie]

Welcome To Loud City, SB Nation's Thunder blog. I like it way better than Daily Thunder. Soonerule writes for them too, he's a wise man.

Cool. I'll have to check it out! Daily Thunder is a nice little blog to get a recap and snap shot of the game from a different perspective. I like the value it provides. I'll have to check out WTLC, though.

On to another topic. I have an idea that might shake things up in OKC enough to wake everyone up. Cut Waiters No seriously, I've talked about this before, and I think it is worth pondering. I know this move wouldn't be popular with fans, but I wonder if we can pull off trading Ibaka, getting comparable defense in return at a cheaper price while adding balanced defensive value to our bench rotation. So Ibaka + Collison for parts [not so much of a drop off on D] + [good defensive rotation player at the wing] + Perkins

Seriously, though! Take a look at it. A guy like Lavoy Allen is someone we can target. We would still have Durant, Westbrook, Kanter, Payne, Morrow as scoring options. Westbrook and Durant seem to be able to make guys like Roberson and Waiters and Adams seem like better versions of themselves. Of course, ideally, we would trade Kanter and get more balanced stronger bench in return, but I don't see anyone touching Kanter's contract right now. We are pretty much stuck with him.

I thought of it, but they can't, he's too important to the defense. I'm fine w/ benching Dion, I'd be all for it. But if they trade Ibaka you need a guy who can defend as well as he can and stretch the floor. There's nobody in the league who does it, for all we complain about him, he's too unique to ever trade.

Kanter's gonna have to go sometime, because they have to keep Adams.

Even if we can get a guy like Lavoy Allen? His defensive rating is at a 94 for the year and his offensive rating is sitting at 105. He can take you inside and shoot from outside as well. I don't think he would be much of a drop off on our starting 5 and we could bolster our bench with a guy like Stuckey.

[bondom34]

Cool. I'll have to check it out! Daily Thunder is a nice little blog to get a recap and snap shot of the game from a different perspective. I like the value it provides. I'll have to check out WTLC, though.

On to another topic. I have an idea that might shake things up in OKC enough to wake everyone up. Cut Waiters No seriously, I've talked about this before, and I think it is worth pondering. I know this move wouldn't be popular with fans, but I wonder if we can pull off trading Ibaka, getting comparable defense in return at a cheaper price while adding balanced defensive value to our bench rotation. So Ibaka + Collison for parts [not so much of a drop off on D] + [good defensive rotation player at the wing] + Perkins

Seriously, though! Take a look at it. A guy like Lavoy Allen is someone we can target. We would still have Durant, Westbrook, Kanter, Payne, Morrow as scoring options. Westbrook and Durant seem to be able to make guys like Roberson and Waiters and Adams seem like better versions of themselves. Of course, ideally, we would trade Kanter and get more balanced stronger bench in return, but I don't see anyone touching Kanter's contract right now. We are pretty much stuck with him.

I thought of it, but they can't, he's too important to the defense. I'm fine w/ benching Dion, I'd be all for it. But if they trade Ibaka you need a guy who can defend as well as he can and stretch the floor. There's nobody in the league who does it, for all we complain about him, he's too unique to ever trade.

Kanter's gonna have to go sometime, because they have to keep Adams.

Even if we can get a guy like Lavoy Allen? His defensive rating is at a 94 for the year and his offensive rating is sitting at 105. He can take you inside and shoot from outside as well. I don't think he would be much of a drop off on our starting 5 and we could bolster our bench with a guy like Stuckey.

I honestly can't tell if you're serious. Lavoy Allen? To be blunt, maybe they can add in Budinger for KD while they're at it.

Allen is a 20 mpg backup who's made 2 career 3 pointers, and is older than Serge. He protects the rim about half as well as Serge in about 10-15 less mpg. He'd be the starting 4. The starter.

[TheBeardedMan]

??? Aright you've officially lost it lol

Basically you want us to take a step back.... Uhh no thanks

If anything we can at least trade Waiters for something. He does have value you know. What we need is some energy on this team.. You know who can bring that plus his defense. Joakim Noah

I don't think Waiters has value honestly. And they just don't have the assets for Noah.

Honestly they might be selling low on him because Portis is emerging as their new big guy, and they wouldn't want to stunt his growth by reducing his minutes to Noah.
Plus Chicago is playing good and could use guys like McGary and Waiters (Singler for his salary) Maybe even Augustin if their gonna move D-Rose

[getrichordie]

I thought of it, but they can't, he's too important to the defense. I'm fine w/ benching Dion, I'd be all for it. But if they trade Ibaka you need a guy who can defend as well as he can and stretch the floor. There's nobody in the league who does it, for all we complain about him, he's too unique to ever trade.

Kanter's gonna have to go sometime, because they have to keep Adams.

Even if we can get a guy like Lavoy Allen? His defensive rating is at a 94 for the year and his offensive rating is sitting at 105. He can take you inside and shoot from outside as well. I don't think he would be much of a drop off on our starting 5 and we could bolster our bench with a guy like Stuckey.

I honestly can't tell if you're serious. Lavoy Allen? To be blunt, maybe they can add in Budinger for KD while they're at it.

Allen is a 20 mpg backup who's made 2 career 3 pointers, and is older than Serge. He protects the rim about half as well as Serge in about 10-15 less mpg. He'd be the starting 4. The starter.

Well, the consensus is that we aren't going to be able to keep up with GSW and SAS, right? So why not shake things up? I'm not saying just Stuckey + Allen for Ibaka, but I'm saying those are some nice rotation players we can get. We could probably balance this team out a whole lot more by trading Ibaka. Allen is 26 years old as well. He's not that much older than Serge. You don't come across 3-point shooting PFs often, you are right. But Allen still spaces the floor well and you could probably throw in another nice rotation big like Gibson or something.

I'm saying, if we want to win now, something has to change.

[bondom34]

Even if we can get a guy like Lavoy Allen? His defensive rating is at a 94 for the year and his offensive rating is sitting at 105. He can take you inside and shoot from outside as well. I don't think he would be much of a drop off on our starting 5 and we could bolster our bench with a guy like Stuckey.

I honestly can't tell if you're serious. Lavoy Allen? To be blunt, maybe they can add in Budinger for KD while they're at it.

Allen is a 20 mpg backup who's made 2 career 3 pointers, and is older than Serge. He protects the rim about half as well as Serge in about 10-15 less mpg. He'd be the starting 4. The starter.

Well, the consensus is that we aren't going to be able to keep up with GSW and SAS, right? So why not shake things up? I'm not saying just Stuckey + Allen for Ibaka, but I'm saying those are some nice rotation players we can get. We could probably balance this team out a whole lot more by trading Ibaka. Allen is 26 years old as well. He's not that much older than Serge. You don't come across 3-point shooting PFs often, you are right. But Allen still spaces the floor well and you could probably throw in another nice rotation big like Gibson or something.

I'm saying, if we want to win now, something has to change.

Allen doesn't space the floor, Gibson's injured constantly, and most of Allen's career starts are on a terrible Sixers team. You'd basically be trading Serge for nothing and telling everyone to get outta Dodge. They don't need to shake anything up with the starters, they need a bench wing who can defend to save his life.

??? Aright you've officially lost it lol

Basically you want us to take a step back.... Uhh no thanks

If anything we can at least trade Waiters for something. He does have value you know. What we need is some energy on this team.. You know who can bring that plus his defense. Joakim Noah

I don't think Waiters has value honestly. And they just don't have the assets for Noah.

Honestly they might be selling low on him because Portis is emerging as their new big guy, and they wouldn't want to stunt his growth by reducing his minutes to Noah.
Plus Chicago is playing good and could use guys like McGary and Waiters (Singler for his salary) Maybe even Augustin if their gonna move D-Rose

I'd love him, but Gibson to me is the guy they're trading, he's always injured and Noah's the heart of the team. Honestly my only hope is Asik in the offseason for Kanter.

[getrichordie]

I honestly can't tell if you're serious. Lavoy Allen? To be blunt, maybe they can add in Budinger for KD while they're at it.

Allen is a 20 mpg backup who's made 2 career 3 pointers, and is older than Serge. He protects the rim about half as well as Serge in about 10-15 less mpg. He'd be the starting 4. The starter.

Well, the consensus is that we aren't going to be able to keep up with GSW and SAS, right? So why not shake things up? I'm not saying just Stuckey + Allen for Ibaka, but I'm saying those are some nice rotation players we can get. We could probably balance this team out a whole lot more by trading Ibaka. Allen is 26 years old as well. He's not that much older than Serge. You don't come across 3-point shooting PFs often, you are right. But Allen still spaces the floor well and you could probably throw in another nice rotation big like Gibson or something.

I'm saying, if we want to win now, something has to change.

Allen doesn't space the floor, Gibson's injured constantly, and most of Allen's career starts are on a terrible Sixers team. You'd basically be trading Serge for nothing and telling everyone to get outta Dodge. They don't need to shake anything up with the starters, they need a bench wing who can defend to save his life.

I don't think Waiters has value honestly. And they just don't have the assets for Noah.

Honestly they might be selling low on him because Portis is emerging as their new big guy, and they wouldn't want to stunt his growth by reducing his minutes to Noah.
Plus Chicago is playing good and could use guys like McGary and Waiters (Singler for his salary) Maybe even Augustin if their gonna move D-Rose

I'd love him, but Gibson to me is the guy they're trading, he's always injured and Noah's the heart of the team. Honestly my only hope is Asik in the offseason for Kanter.

Why do you say that Allen doesn't space the floor? The guy can knock down mid-range shots and also go inside. He also does a good job of contesting at the rim. I'd rather have him than McGary or Collison, that's for sure.

[Marcus50]

I honestly can't tell if you're serious. Lavoy Allen? To be blunt, maybe they can add in Budinger for KD while they're at it.

Allen is a 20 mpg backup who's made 2 career 3 pointers, and is older than Serge. He protects the rim about half as well as Serge in about 10-15 less mpg. He'd be the starting 4. The starter.

Well, the consensus is that we aren't going to be able to keep up with GSW and SAS, right? So why not shake things up? I'm not saying just Stuckey + Allen for Ibaka, but I'm saying those are some nice rotation players we can get. We could probably balance this team out a whole lot more by trading Ibaka. Allen is 26 years old as well. He's not that much older than Serge. You don't come across 3-point shooting PFs often, you are right. But Allen still spaces the floor well and you could probably throw in another nice rotation big like Gibson or something.

I'm saying, if we want to win now, something has to change.

Allen doesn't space the floor, Gibson's injured constantly, and most of Allen's career starts are on a terrible Sixers team. You'd basically be trading Serge for nothing and telling everyone to get outta Dodge. They don't need to shake anything up with the starters, they need a bench wing who can defend to save his life.

I don't think Waiters has value honestly. And they just don't have the assets for Noah.

Honestly they might be selling low on him because Portis is emerging as their new big guy, and they wouldn't want to stunt his growth by reducing his minutes to Noah.
Plus Chicago is playing good and could use guys like McGary and Waiters (Singler for his salary) Maybe even Augustin if their gonna move D-Rose

I'd love him, but Gibson to me is the guy they're trading, he's always injured and Noah's the heart of the team. Honestly my only hope is Asik in the offseason for Kanter.

Why would the Pels take on Kanters contract. The guys defense is tragic and he gets 17m a year plus the trade kicker and the player option in year 4. As galling as it is OKC is stuck with Kanter for 2 years at least. Portland did a number on Presti and it's going to hurt okc as they try to keep KD RW SI and SA over the next 2 years. I think the Kanter contract could cost okc either of Serge or Steve if KD and Russ stay.

[bondom34]

Why do you say that Allen doesn't space the floor? The guy can knock down mid-range shots and also go inside. He also does a good job of contesting at the rim. I'd rather have him than McGary or Collison, that's for sure.

OK?

I mean I'd rather Serge. He's a starting caliber PF. Allen isn't.

And Allen hits about 35 percent from midrange and no 3s. Serge about 45 percent and hits 3s. I mean its not even a comparison, this is insane. Ask this on the trade board, I'm dumbfounded right now.

Well, the consensus is that we aren't going to be able to keep up with GSW and SAS, right? So why not shake things up? I'm not saying just Stuckey + Allen for Ibaka, but I'm saying those are some nice rotation players we can get. We could probably balance this team out a whole lot more by trading Ibaka. Allen is 26 years old as well. He's not that much older than Serge. You don't come across 3-point shooting PFs often, you are right. But Allen still spaces the floor well and you could probably throw in another nice rotation big like Gibson or something.

I'm saying, if we want to win now, something has to change.

Allen doesn't space the floor, Gibson's injured constantly, and most of Allen's career starts are on a terrible Sixers team. You'd basically be trading Serge for nothing and telling everyone to get outta Dodge. They don't need to shake anything up with the starters, they need a bench wing who can defend to save his life.

Honestly they might be selling low on him because Portis is emerging as their new big guy, and they wouldn't want to stunt his growth by reducing his minutes to Noah.
Plus Chicago is playing good and could use guys like McGary and Waiters (Singler for his salary) Maybe even Augustin if their gonna move D-Rose

I'd love him, but Gibson to me is the guy they're trading, he's always injured and Noah's the heart of the team. Honestly my only hope is Asik in the offseason for Kanter.

Why would the Pels take on Kanters contract. The guys defense is tragic and he gets 17m a year plus the trade kicker and the player option in year 4. As galling as it is OKC is stuck with Kanter for 2 years at least. Portland did a number on Presti and it's going to hurt okc as they try to keep KD RW SI and SA over the next 2 years. I think the Kanter contract could cost okc either of Serge or Steve if KD and Russ stay.

There's a ton of cap space this offseason, and about 5 guys who are worth it. I'm betting a team who strikes out trades for him,and if OKC takes back Asik's deal they may bite. The org has made it clear they value Adams way too highly to risk it and I don't see him leaving.

[Andre Roberstan]

lavoy allen

Lavoy Allen

LAVOY ALLEN

LAVOY ***** ALLEN



SERGE FOR RODNEY STUCKEY AND LAVOY ALLEN.

I'm sorry. I just can't.

[bondom34]

lavoy allen

Lavoy Allen

LAVOY ALLEN

LAVOY ***** ALLEN



SERGE FOR RODNEY STUCKEY AND LAVOY ALLEN.

I'm sorry. I just can't.

I'm leaving work right now. And I need a break from being distracted at work. Lavoy Allen. I can't even.

[Pillendreher]

I'd like to get Bargnani. Dude can handle the ball, is a great athlete and defender. A Waiters-Bargnani combo would be deadly:

[Andre Roberstan]

getrichordie, just so I don't come off like a complete tool, the reason I'm laughing at this is because we've actually had a thread on Serge's trade value over on the T&T board. You may find the responses illuminating. Suffice it to say he's worth a little more than that.

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