Oklahoma City Thunder Regular Season 2015-2016 Part 2

[getrichordie]

getrichordie, just so I don't come off like a complete tool, the reason I'm laughing at this is because we've actually had a thread on Serge's trade value over on the T&T board. You may find the responses illuminating. Suffice it to say he's worth a little more than that.

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I think you guys misunderstood me. I wasn't saying that Lavoy Allen was the primary guy we are trading for. I'm talking about trading Serge for a starter + rotation guys. I'm not just saying make Allen the starter. I'm talking about making Allen a rotation guy along with another PF for Collison and Ibaka. In return we get some pieces for the bench. Maybe my wording was poor.

But I was thinking this:

Ibaka + parts

for

Starting PF + Allen + Stuckey

in a three team trade of course.

[Andre Roberstan]

getrichordie, just so I don't come off like a complete tool, the reason I'm laughing at this is because we've actually had a thread on Serge's trade value over on the T&T board. You may find the responses illuminating. Suffice it to say he's worth a little more than that.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1417189

I think you guys misunderstood me. I wasn't saying that Lavoy Allen was the primary guy we are trading for. I'm talking about trading Serge for a starter + rotation guys. I'm not just saying make Allen the starter. I'm talking about making Allen a rotation guy along with another PF for Collison and Ibaka. In return we get some pieces for the bench. Maybe my wording was poor.

But I was thinking this:

Ibaka + parts

for

Starting PF + Allen + Stuckey

in a three team trade of course.

I really think you can dream bigger.

[bondom34]

getrichordie, just so I don't come off like a complete tool, the reason I'm laughing at this is because we've actually had a thread on Serge's trade value over on the T&T board. You may find the responses illuminating. Suffice it to say he's worth a little more than that.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1417189

I think you guys misunderstood me. I wasn't saying that Lavoy Allen was the primary guy we are trading for. I'm talking about trading Serge for a starter + rotation guys. I'm not just saying make Allen the starter. I'm talking about making Allen a rotation guy along with another PF for Collison and Ibaka. In return we get some pieces for the bench. Maybe my wording was poor.

But I was thinking this:

Ibaka + parts

for

Starting PF + Allen + Stuckey

in a three team trade of course.

I really think you can dream bigger.

I'm also baffled as to why Allen and Stuckey. Its 2 really mediocre bench players.

[Pillendreher]

We could get Allen for Waiters+Filler.

[getrichordie]

I think you guys misunderstood me. I wasn't saying that Lavoy Allen was the primary guy we are trading for. I'm talking about trading Serge for a starter + rotation guys. I'm not just saying make Allen the starter. I'm talking about making Allen a rotation guy along with another PF for Collison and Ibaka. In return we get some pieces for the bench. Maybe my wording was poor.

But I was thinking this:

Ibaka + parts

for

Starting PF + Allen + Stuckey

in a three team trade of course.

I really think you can dream bigger.

I'm also baffled as to why Allen and Stuckey. Its 2 really mediocre bench players.

I'd like to here a trade scenario where we can get an upgrade over Collison and Waiters and not downgrade at PF that much.

[Andre Roberstan]

I'd like to here a trade scenario where we can get an upgrade over Collison and Waiters and not downgrade at PF that much.

You can read the thread that I linked. It's worth it, I promise.

[KD35Brah]

[bondom34]

I really think you can dream bigger.

I'm also baffled as to why Allen and Stuckey. Its 2 really mediocre bench players.

I'd like to here a trade scenario where we can get an upgrade over Collison and Waiters and not downgrade at PF that much.

Amir Johnson, Avery Bradley, and a first. Collison's fine. And you can upgrade Dion w/o moving Ibaka. I have zero idea what trading him does other than get rid of KD while its happening.

[spearsy23]

I didn't watch the game or bother looking at the box score, then I get in here and I'm seeing talk about trading Serge for crap... I can only assume he punched a ref in the face, told Donovan to **** off, and pulled a gun on KD in the locker room.

[spearsy23]

It's like fundamentals went out the window with this team.

The problem is they were never there to begin with. We always got by with talent alone but we never were a team that won because of fundamentaly sound basketball. Maybe Scott Brooks' 'Play hard and have fun' was a little bit too much, huh? This quote sums it up quice nicely (from DT):

I will say this again we win games with talent, gsw/spurs/cavs win games with schemes and plans . Until we have the coaching in place to do this we are up **** creek.

Everything will be Scott's fault from now until the end of time

It's amazing how we were much more consistent, played better defense, rebounded better and looked more aggressive under him but people still want to blame him for things going badly.

[Marcus50]

Presti played his cards last year and Portland called his bluff. I don't know that OKC has anything of value to trade for a decent two way SG. McFluffy perhaps, Dion is the kings new clothes of a player, Kanters defense is too flawed and his contract is too ugly. Morrow maybe, DJ Maybe. Novaks expiring contract. None of these options are going to get us anyone who would really add value

[spearsy23]

Presti played his cards last year and Portland called his bluff. I don't know that OKC has anything of value to trade for a decent two way SG. McFluffy perhaps, Dion is the kings new clothes of a player, Kanters defense is too flawed and his contract is too ugly. Morrow maybe, DJ Maybe. Novaks expiring contract. None of these options are going to get us anyone who would really add value

There is zero doubt in my mind that Kanter has value around the league. I'd be shocked if he isn't traded during this offseason or next.

[Pillendreher]

It's like fundamentals went out the window with this team.

The problem is they were never there to begin with. We always got by with talent alone but we never were a team that won because of fundamentaly sound basketball. Maybe Scott Brooks' 'Play hard and have fun' was a little bit too much, huh? This quote sums it up quice nicely (from DT):

I will say this again we win games with talent, gsw/spurs/cavs win games with schemes and plans . Until we have the coaching in place to do this we are up **** creek.

Everything will be Scott's fault from now until the end of time

It's amazing how we were much more consistent, played better defense, rebounded better and looked more aggressive under him but people still want to blame him for things going badly.

Scotty has his flaws. You can't deny that.

[spearsy23]

The problem is they were never there to begin with. We always got by with talent alone but we never were a team that won because of fundamentaly sound basketball. Maybe Scott Brooks' 'Play hard and have fun' was a little bit too much, huh? This quote sums it up quice nicely (from DT):

Everything will be Scott's fault from now until the end of time

It's amazing how we were much more consistent, played better defense, rebounded better and looked more aggressive under him but people still want to blame him for things going badly.

Scotty has his flaws. You can't deny that.

Did he? Sure. I mean he isn't Pop, he was rigid with his rotations, he had an unimaginative offense, he was over reliant on KD and Russ. But it's awfully strange that Donovan comes in and the rotations suck, the offense is even more reliant on KD and Russ, the team is incredibly inconsistent both in terms of play and effort, and every player except Westbrook looks worse than they have previously in their careers. I thought maybe we were done making up things to criticize Brooks about now that we moved on, but here we are. I'm sick and tired of a very good NBA coach being the fan's whipping boy and the front office's scape-goat. Scott Brooks was a top 5 NBA coach and 'we' ran him out of town because of some minor flaws that were exaggerated by an impatient fan base and a media with an agenda.

Was Scott Brooks ever going to be Pops or Phil? No. He isn't an all time great coach that will LEAD the team to a championship. But most championship coaches aren't that. Most are Spoe or Doc or Larry Brown, guys that excel at certain aspects and can guide a great roster. Hell, Donovan may even be that one day and I hope he gets there soon, but for right now let's quit with this stupid bull**** where we continue piling crap on a great coach and person so that we can excuse his failures.

[Pillendreher]

Scott Brooks was not a 'very good' or 'great' NBA coach, come on now. I was never a Brooks fan, but I think he was the right choice for the first few years: He got the young guys to buy in, created a nice environment. But afterwards, despite his incredible bad luck, I was always waiting for the next stept, you know, become a smart, savy team.

The things that aren't working now were mostly there before Donovan; it's not like we were blowing every other team out of the water with Brooks. But you have to ask yourself: What stayed with Donovan gone? The players and the GM. And I think that's what you have to look at. You have to hold both the team and the management accountable. Why isn't Durant playing with more agressiveness? Why aren't we rebounding on the defensive end? How on earth is Dion Waiters still getting minutes?

[bondom34]

Scott Brooks was not a 'very good' or 'great' NBA coach, come on now. I was never a Brooks fan, but I think he was the right choice for the first few years: He got the young guys to buy in, created a nice environment. But afterwards, despite his incredible bad luck, I was always waiting for the next stept, you know, become a smart, savy team.

The things that aren't working now were mostly there before Donovan; it's not like we were blowing every other team out of the water with Brooks. But you have to ask yourself: What stayed with Donovan gone? The players and the GM. And I think that's what you have to look at. You have to hold both the team and the management accountable. Why isn't Durant playing with more agressiveness? Why aren't we rebounding on the defensive end? How on earth is Dion Waiters still getting minutes?

The defense worked with Brooks. The offense was the same. The rotations made sense w/ Brooks. Brooks at some point when Lillard was hitting everything and scoring 17 in 3 minutes woulda thought "Maybe I should call a timeout.". He was a very good coach to me as well, and better than what they've got now to me at least in game.

[Pillendreher]

But are the rotations really that different? I mean besides Donovan throwing in guys for 2 min, what is he doing different than Brooks rotation wise? Maybe less staggering concerning Durant and Westbrook, but other than that?

[bondom34]

But are the rotations really that different? I mean besides Donovan throwing in guys for 2 min, what is he doing different than Brooks rotation wise? Maybe less staggering concerning Durant and Westbrook, but other than that?

There have been multiple times where he's thrown out lineups that feature no players who are capable defensively and the opponent goes on a quick run. A Kanter/Collison/Waiters/Morrow/backup PG lineup for 5 minutes to start a quarter. A Kanter/McGary frontcourt was poor Mitch's reintroduction to the lineup. Kanter and Adams never really play with each other.

[KD35Brah]

Brooks also had the luxury of playing Durant 39mpg and a useful collison(which was a huge part of our team).

[Pillendreher]

I just picked this up on DT: KD, Adams and Russ are the only guys on our team with a positive RPM. That's just insane.

Westbrook (10.48) | Payne (-2.03) | Augustin (-2.67)
Roberson (-1.17) | Waiters (-4.70) | Morrow (-0.85)
Durant (6.32) | Singler (-2.49)
Ibaka (-1.23) | Collison (-1.11
Adams (1.19) | Kanter (-1.08)

The Warriors have 7 players in the top 65 on RPM. Spurs have 8 in the top 70.

This makes me sad.

EDIT: Same goes for BPM:

The Thunder have 5 players that are positive in BPM (Westbrook, Durant, Payne, Roberson, Adams). The Spurs have 13 guys, the Warriors 7, the Cavs have 7 and the Clippers have 7 as well.