JJ Redick 50/40/90 Season?

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Re: JJ Redick 50/40/90 Season? 

Post#41 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:50 pm

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tone wone wrote:How much better are the Clips if Redick and Paul could handle more minutes without breaking down?

27mpg for Redick
33mpg for Paul.

Thats shockingly low for a team so many questions in their 2nd unit.


Both players have pretty insane motors when they're on the court, it would be hard to play any more minutes. Redick is nonstop movement while Paul is guarding the other team's best guard.


Nobody has opposing players cause them around and fighting through screens more than Redick. Obviously it would be tiring to do this night in and night out, thus he has to maintain his rest.


Yup its Ray Allen and Rip Hamilton-esque. He may only give you only good 27 good minutes a game, but he drains the other 2 guard as well
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Re: JJ Redick 50/40/90 Season? 

Post#42 » by SMTBSI » Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:29 pm

I beg to differ wrote:Side note, why are we still using FG% rather than 2P% or eFG%? That stat should not exist. And PPP or TS% need to be at the front of box scores. Especially as players take more and more threes these days, it's silly how FG% usually punishes them for that. For instance, too many people used to mistakenly think that Gilbert Arenas was an inefficient scorer.


In lieu of fg%, I've been using this simple construction:

2fga|3fga|fta
2pt%|3pt%|ft%

It's just fg% and ppg broken down into their constituent parts. I find it very easy to look at this way - nice and modestly informative at a glance.

Example (Jae Crowder this year):

5.84|4.81|3.43
.519|.348|.819


Sometimes I tack on something else like pp36 or ts%

5.84|4.81|3.43 :: 15.51
.519|.348|.819 :: .571

Obvious downside being this doesn't fit very well into a boxscore.
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Re: JJ Redick 50/40/90 Season? 

Post#43 » by ken6199 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:25 am

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tredigs wrote:A lot of 50/40/90's or extra close this year. Off the top of my head J.J., Curry, Durant and Kawhi could all finish the year there.


I don't see Curry finishing over 50% fg. He can easily do it but he just takes too many tough shots.


Redick is the only guy who has a real shot at it IMO. Kawhi is a career 80% FT shooter I don't his 88% is sustainable, let alone improving it. Durant will take those isolations down the stretch which will also hurt him. Redick has more room to carefully massage his stats.
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Re: JJ Redick 50/40/90 Season? 

Post#44 » by og15 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:41 am

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Quotatious wrote:He's so much better than Crawford, I wonder why he only plays slightly more minutes (Redick is averaging 27.4 minutes per game, Crawford 25.2), I guess maybe Redick doesn't have the stamina to play 30+ minutes on a regular basis, there's no other explanation, really...Really, I mean - their only value comes from their scoring, and Redick is shooting 48.5% FG and 48.1% 3P, for 64.3% TS, while Crawford is shooting only 38.4% FG, 31.3% 3P, for 51.2% TS.

JJ is definitely better than Jamal but not in all aspects of the game. If JJ is not on the court with CP3, his productivity drops considerably. He is the kind of player that works well in the rhythm of the offense. Jamal on the other hand is a player that can create on his own and is somewhat unstoppable in a iso situation. His value is that Jamal is often required to create something when the offense falters and a difficult shot is necessary.

It is interesting that ever since JJ came to the Clippers, Jamal's usage has been enormous for a backup player. Its not just Doc. Vinny did the exact same thing. Personally, I believe that Jamal is highly undervalued on RGM. When he is hot, he immediately becomes the focal point of the opposing defense and that speaks volumes on his true value.

13-14, CP injured, Redick played 13 games:
15.5 ppg / 45.7% FG / 44.8% 3PT, and he started feeling the effects of his injury his last two games of that stretch and had to go out again, but the first 11 games, 17.2 ppg / 47.8% FG / 46.8% 3PT, not that his overall production including those last two wasn't still good. Give him some guys to set screens and a PG that knows what they are doing, and he will produce.

The problem with Jamal is that he ends up isolating and taking a lot of difficult shots when the offense is not faltering and it isn't necessary. This is like the cop out for guys like him, people expand the few shots they take late into clock into being the majority of the shots they take. Jamal has just gotten less effective in isolation than previous seasons, and he's consistently struggled in the playoffs. If you look at his numbers, late clock is not what is causing him to be inefficient. We can even use the recent Charlotte game. Started the game well, and overall game was fine, but in the second half he would take these unnecessarily difficult shots out of isolation in middle clock, and while the offense was not struggling. Why? Well just because that's his game.

The problem is that when Jamal is "not", he continues to shoot and provides no other benefit most of the time, so that actually also shows his true value which is between the "hot" and "not", and when it comes to the playoffs, the hot is very rare, so you have a guy who is not generally giving positive value in the post-season.


ALL HAIL wrote:Is Redick, individually, better than Aflalo right now? Obviously ...

Do they have even remotely similar trade value? Of course not.

But this is a team game, and if I were Doc, I'd cash in Redick for two wings who provide grit (and can also shoot).

His trade value is through the roof right now, as high as it will ever be. The Clippers have no other real assets and they have definite holes up and down the lineup.

I'd trade Redick, not because the guys they'd be able to bring in would be better, or, in this case, possess more trade value, but because, hopefully, if executed properly, they'd give the Clips the intangibles they lack.

I don't think any team is trading two wings with grit and who can also shoot for Redick, so that isn't a real option, unless you have the realistic trade idea that makes this happen, it doesn't really mean anything.
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Re: JJ Redick 50/40/90 Season? 

Post#45 » by AJ37 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:38 pm

Remember when he airballed that layup and everyone thought he was trash? He's certainly come a long way since then. I've got a lot of time for players who work hard off the ball to create their chances.
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Re: JJ Redick 50/40/90 Season? 

Post#46 » by Kabookalu » Tue Jan 12, 2016 2:33 pm

apj37 wrote:Remember when he airballed that layup and everyone thought he was trash? He's certainly come a long way since then. I've got a lot of time for players who work hard off the ball to create their chances.


I had to youtube it just to know what you were talking about, and it was a play that happened like eight year agos.
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Re: JJ Redick 50/40/90 Season? 

Post#47 » by ken6199 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 3:06 pm

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apj37 wrote:Remember when he airballed that layup and everyone thought he was trash? He's certainly come a long way since then. I've got a lot of time for players who work hard off the ball to create their chances.


I had to youtube it just to know what you were talking about, and it was a play that happened like eight year agos.


Likewise.
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Interestingly I also stumbled across this. Lol @ Roy Williams the hate is strong.
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Re: JJ Redick 50/40/90 Season? 

Post#48 » by AJ37 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 3:09 pm

ken6199 wrote:
Choker wrote:
apj37 wrote:Remember when he airballed that layup and everyone thought he was trash? He's certainly come a long way since then. I've got a lot of time for players who work hard off the ball to create their chances.


I had to youtube it just to know what you were talking about, and it was a play that happened like eight year agos.


Likewise.
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Interestingly I also stumbled across this. Lol @ Roy Williams the hate is strong.
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRhXOGKPamw[/youtube]


Just me then I guess.. :lol:
But my point still stands. He's a solid role player who works off the ball very well.
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Re: JJ Redick 50/40/90 Season? 

Post#49 » by sixerswillrule » Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:17 pm

Apparently Meyers Leonard had 50/40/90 last year!
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Re: JJ Redick 50/40/90 Season? 

Post#50 » by GuyverX » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:19 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:Apparently Meyers Leonard had 50/40/90 last year!


Interesting but he didn't make enough FG's, FT's or 3-pointers to qualify. Like, not even close. He was short 175 FG's, 95 FT's, and 35 threes. I think a lot of players can shoot a low amount and fit in this category. But few shoot enough to qualify while maintaining high percentages. That's the hard part. Korver didn't get to the line enough last season even though he had the %.
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Re: JJ Redick 50/40/90 Season? 

Post#51 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:31 pm

50/40/90 is a stupid stat. No, FG% is a stupid stat. It shouldn't even exist.

60/40/90 is what I want to see (2p%/3p%/ft%)
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Re: JJ Redick 50/40/90 Season? 

Post#52 » by islanders11040 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:44 pm

Lance Thomas is pretty close: 47.7fg% 41.6 3pt% 90.3 ft%
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Re: JJ Redick 50/40/90 Season? 

Post#53 » by sixerswillrule » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:17 pm

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sixerswillrule wrote:Apparently Meyers Leonard had 50/40/90 last year!


Interesting but he didn't make enough FG's, FT's or 3-pointers to qualify. Like, not even close. He was short 175 FG's, 95 FT's, and 35 threes. I think a lot of players can shoot a low amount and fit in this category. But few shoot enough to qualify while maintaining high percentages. That's the hard part. Korver didn't get to the line enough last season even though he had the %.


Yeah, I knew that his volume was very small. Just thought it was worth mentioning.

Curry's 2P% and eFG% are higher than any 50/40/90 season player ever, yet his FG% is barely above 50% because he shoots so many threes. Like others have said, FG% is an obsolete stat.
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Re: JJ Redick 50/40/90 Season? 

Post#54 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:59 pm

I agree FG% is a extinct stat. But even when you look EFG% and TS%. JJ is 3rd in EFG% behind only Curry and KD and 2nd in TS% for guards behind only Curry (according to basketball reference). Either way you look at it, JJ is one of the most efficient scorers in the league

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