Archie Goodwin

[Revived]

Applogize for going off topic but does anyone else feel like the hardest shot in basketball is the pull up jumper from midrange when your going in full stride?

When I play at the local rec center or park, I can hit 3s and take it to the rim at a decent level but I cant a pull up J to save my life.

I watch Westbrook do it so easily over and over again, I get that he's an NBA superstar so no s**t but still, it's amazing how I practice on that exact shot and it's still never even close to going down.

Its hard if you dont practice it...

On my team, that off dribble shot under pressure is my speciality... years of practice. I would hit more shots off a dribble fading either left, right or backwards rather than a clean jump shot, mainly because I practiced those shots more than open shots.

I play kinda like Andre Miller but with a decent 3pt shot. I usually live in the post when I play but then when I'm playing against bigger people, I can hit the 3 enough to keep players honest.

My specialty shot is my hook shot in the paint though, unblockable without fouling (against the type of players I play).

Yea I've been practice on the off the dribble pull up jumper for nearly a year now. Its a hard shot, especially to maintain to hit while maintain balance.

[WTFsunsFTW]

Spoiler:

Gonna call it now: Archie will be a bust.

He was the 29th pick in the draft. He's already surpassed expectations

He's trolling.

Not trolling, just overwhelmingly confused with the infatuation for him. The cries for playing time and the assumption that he deserves to be on the floor is beyond me. There have been quite a few boneheaded moves by him in the little time he has had playing. He is also a self-proclaimed "high IQ player" (statement on media day earlier this season) that hasnt shown any IQ-based play.

[Mr Puddles]

Spoiler:

He was the 29th pick in the draft. He's already surpassed expectations

He's trolling.

Not trolling, just overwhelmingly confused with the infatuation for him. The cries for playing time and the assumption that he deserves to be on the floor is beyond me. There have been quite a few boneheaded moves by him in the little time he has had playing. He is also a self-proclaimed "high IQ player" (statement on media day earlier this season) that hasnt shown any IQ-based play.

The only way that Goodwin is a bust is if he is out of the league in the next couple of years. If you can get a bench/rotation player at the 29th pick in the first round, you've done a good job drafting. Close to half of the players drafted at pick 29 either never play in the NBA, or hardly do: http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm.

The sample size is still small, but based on what I've seen from Goodwin so far I would be very surprised if he doesn't become at least a solid bench player. So far, the positives already outweigh the negatives for him to play 10+ minutes a game. I agree with you that some posters have gone a bit overboard in their comparisons and expectations of him, but to call him a bust at this point directly contradicts what he's shown in terms of production and development so far - if anything I'd say he's ahead of schedule.

[Nebula1]

I'm thrilled to see Archie getting minutes now. You've got a nice young player there.

[bwgood77]

Goodwin finished, “I think we play well together. Everyone out here is wanting the other guy to do great and I think it’s just something that rolls off of everybody. As long as we continue to keep that attitude, which I’m sure we will, we’ll be fine.”

http://hoopshabit.com/2015/11/18/phoenix-suns-archie-goodwin-earning-coach-hornaceks-trust/

[Christine-In-AZ]

If his head and upper body could stay on the same page as his legs all the time, his career might take off.

Too often it looks like Archie's wearing skates or flippers on his feet when his legs lag behind Archie's head and intention...literally tips over.

[thamadkant]

To me, everytime I see Goodwin plays 15 minutes or more he seems to score close to 10 points or more. He tends to get to the rim a lot when he wants to.


The cringe moments are when he is at the top of the key hesitating to make the decision who to pass to... As if he is thinking too much.


Example during the Lakers game... Goodwin had the ball at top of the key and Knight pointed to Len after Goodwin looked at him. Bass saw this and as Goodwin then passed the ball to Len...Bass simply knew the ball was coming and stole it.

Goodwin thinks too much sometimes. This is a sign of lack of confidence and hesitation.


Some fans also simply judge him like how they judge star players.... Which is a bit too much I think.


Also he tends to look out of control when dribbling but lots of dynamic players early in their career look like that. They look jittery and lacking smoothness.... But that comes with experience.
Heck... Westbrook still looks out of control a lot of times too.


In anycase my favourite bit is that Goodwin is first off the bench to high 5 his team mates almost every time... Everyone who sees him practice says he has high work ethic. He tries hard on the court almost every time. He is young, some fans should be focusing on the positive things rather than trash him for his mistakes.

[MrMiyagi]

To me, everytime I see Goodwin plays 15 minutes or more he seems to score close to 10 points or more. He tends to get to the rim a lot when he wants to.


The cringe moments are when he is at the top of the key hesitating to make the decision who to pass to... As if he is thinking too much.


Example during the Lakers game... Goodwin had the ball at top of the key and Knight pointed to Len after Goodwin looked at him. Bass saw this and as Goodwin then passed the ball to Len...Bass simply knew the ball was coming and stole it.

Goodwin thinks too much sometimes. This is a sign of lack of confidence and hesitation.


Some fans also simply judge him like how they judge star players.... Which is a bit too much I think.


Also he tends to look out of control when dribbling but lots of dynamic players early in their career look like that. They look jittery and lacking smoothness.... But that comes with experience.
Heck... Westbrook still looks out of control a lot of times too.


In anycase my favourite bit is that Goodwin is first off the bench to high 5 his team mates almost every time... Everyone who sees him practice says he has high work ethic. He tries hard on the court almost every time. He is young, some fans should be focusing on the positive things rather than trash him for his mistakes.

Yeah, I love seeing him getting minutes. Last two games he played 28 and 24 minutes respectively. If he can start to get 20 minutes a night, that jittery look he has on the court will start to smooth out.

[TeamTragic]

This is why I didn't want to trade Goodwin

[bwgood77]

“It’s slowing down,” Goodwin said of how he sees the game now. “My first year and some of my second year, I was moving really fast. This year, when I played summer league and pickup games with these guys, I worked on playing with patience. Sometimes, I don’t realize how long I am and how quick I cover ground. I was moving slow on those layups (Friday) but I still covered so much ground in a short amount of time. I try to manipulate the defense and take what they give me.”

Without Bledsoe, the Suns' tempo has slowed down and they visit the free-throw line less. Speed and drawing fouls are Goodwin strengths. His perimeter shot has not improved, going 7 for 30 on jump shots this season, including 2 of 12 on 3-point attempts, but defenses still are unable to deny his driving ability in half-court sets or fast breaks.

Goodwin continued to penetrate on the dribble but he did so with more measure and control. He drove slowly off a high pick-and-roll, reading Chris Bosh's positioning and movement until he finished a layup against him. The next time off another high screen, Goodwin turned on the accelerator and blew by Tyler Johnson.

Goodwin drove and drew defenders several times. He put the Suns ahead 83-80 in the fourth quarter with a fast-break reverse layup and positioned the Suns to pull away with three potential assists on the ensuing plays but T.J. Warren missed a layup, Mirza Teletovic missed a 3-point try and P.J. Tucker lost his dribble in the paint.

“That great late pass to T.J. was something he wouldn’t have done last year,” Suns coach Jeff Hornacek said. “He would’ve tried to throw it up and get it to the basket. I think the game has slowed down for him. When he drives to the basket, he sees things that are happening. He can’t get down on himself because he’s only 21 years old even though it’s his third year.”

Just as he is turning the ball over less, Goodwin is fouling at a lesser rate, too, this season. He was defensively solid in Friday’s game, opening up with a stop against Dwyane Wade that started a fast break.

Goodwin was the only player with a positive plus-minus besides Jon Leuer on Friday. At times, he formed a three-guard lineup with Devin Booker and Brandon Knight.

“The team we have now without Bled here is moreso jump shooters who shoot well and not enough guys who get in the paint to draw fouls from the perimeter,” Goodwin said. “I feel like I could be one of those guys to get in the paint and to the rim to make plays for myself and others. If you’re a jump shooter, the defense pretty much stays where they’re at. Not saying the other guys don’t make good plays because they do. But it’s easier for me to make plays because I get to the rim so much that they know they have to stay there on the finish so it’s easier for me to make kick-out passes or dump-off plays.”

Goodwin said he has focused on staying positive even with only 19 appearances of 11.3 minutes per game.

“You make a good impression and now, as coaches, we’re all going, ‘Hey, we can go with Archie,’" Hornacek said.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/01/11/phoenix-suns-archie-goodwin-grabs-chance-shows-poise/78642940/

[Mulhollanddrive]

I'd love to see the Goodwin, Booker, Warren, Len young core kept and given opportunity (maybe with a PF draft pick to fill the lineup).

In time you'd think they will be at least as good as the Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Morris, Chandler lineup with age on their side.

I still like Goodwin's potential, the problem may be he's going to have the same negatives as Bledsoe.

[bwgood77]

I'd love to see the Goodwin, Booker, Warren, Len young core kept and given opportunity (maybe with a PF draft pick to fill the lineup).

In time you'd think they will be at least as good as the Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Morris, Chandler lineup with age on their side.

I still like Goodwin's potential, the problem may be he's going to have the same negatives as Bledsoe.

If Goodwin can continue to improve his passing, I won't mind him as a backup PG. Then his shot won't be quite as necessary if he can drive and either score or dish.

I'd rather have him driving and scoring or dishing, than having Knight dribble for awhile and jack up a long 2. He still has a ways to go, but with Bledsoe out, if we continue to think of Knight as more of a 2, now is his time to shine.

Eventually even a second lineup of Goodwin, Knight as the backcourt might make sense, but only if Goodwin is primary ball handler unless he learns to shoot, because otherwise no one will guard him.

[NavLDO]

I'd love to see the Goodwin, Booker, Warren, Len young core kept and given opportunity (maybe with a PF draft pick to fill the lineup).

In time you'd think they will be at least as good as the Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Morris, Chandler lineup with age on their side.

I still like Goodwin's potential, the problem may be he's going to have the same negatives as Bledsoe.

If Goodwin can continue to improve his passing, I won't mind him as a backup PG. Then his shot won't be quite as necessary if he can drive and either score or dish.

I'd rather have him driving and scoring or dishing, than having Knight dribble for awhile and jack up a long 2. He still has a ways to go, but with Bledsoe out, if we continue to think of Knight as more of a 2, now is his time to shine.

Eventually even a second lineup of Goodwin, Knight as the backcourt might make sense, but only if Goodwin is primary ball handler unless he learns to shoot, because otherwise no one will guard him.

I would love for Jeff to develop him has a backup PG, with an occasional start when Bledsoe can't go. This would, just as you stated, allow Knight to act more in that 2 Guard role, because I think you are right about Knight's dribbling/jacking a along 2.

If Goodwin pans out, and Bogdan comes over next season and gets useful minutes, then Len getting back to form, we would have had one heck of a 2013/2014 draft class. As it sits now, those two classes are 'good' with Goodwin and Bogdan, they could be 'great'.

[TeamTragic]

I'd love to see the Goodwin, Booker, Warren, Len young core kept and given opportunity (maybe with a PF draft pick to fill the lineup).

In time you'd think they will be at least as good as the Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Morris, Chandler lineup with age on their side.

I still like Goodwin's potential, the problem may be he's going to have the same negatives as Bledsoe.

If Goodwin can continue to improve his passing, I won't mind him as a backup PG. Then his shot won't be quite as necessary if he can drive and either score or dish.

I'd rather have him driving and scoring or dishing, than having Knight dribble for awhile and jack up a long 2. He still has a ways to go, but with Bledsoe out, if we continue to think of Knight as more of a 2, now is his time to shine.

Eventually even a second lineup of Goodwin, Knight as the backcourt might make sense, but only if Goodwin is primary ball handler unless he learns to shoot, because otherwise no one will guard him.

Don't want to trade him anymore bwgood77?

[bwgood77]

I'd love to see the Goodwin, Booker, Warren, Len young core kept and given opportunity (maybe with a PF draft pick to fill the lineup).

In time you'd think they will be at least as good as the Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Morris, Chandler lineup with age on their side.

I still like Goodwin's potential, the problem may be he's going to have the same negatives as Bledsoe.

If Goodwin can continue to improve his passing, I won't mind him as a backup PG. Then his shot won't be quite as necessary if he can drive and either score or dish.

I'd rather have him driving and scoring or dishing, than having Knight dribble for awhile and jack up a long 2. He still has a ways to go, but with Bledsoe out, if we continue to think of Knight as more of a 2, now is his time to shine.

Eventually even a second lineup of Goodwin, Knight as the backcourt might make sense, but only if Goodwin is primary ball handler unless he learns to shoot, because otherwise no one will guard him.

Don't want to trade him anymore bwgood77?

Well I'd consider a deal for Serge Ibaka. I'm hoping he does well, and we are so overloaded at the wing position, that if he does improve his passing and defense, that will serve him well to become that backup PG. Shooting would be nice too, but if we can surround him with shooters on the second unit, his skills, once he continues to develop court vision can hopefully be utilized with efficiency.

[Damkac]

Feel sorry for him. We are sinking and he still don't get minutes. I wish he was traded just to give him more opportunities.

[RaisingArizona]

He's going to be a sweetener in a Kieff, Tuck, or Chandler deal. Just my thought.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

He's going to be a sweetener in a Kieff, Tuck, or Chandler deal. Just my thought.

That's what I thought before tonight's game against Indiana. Archie played controlled, solid basketball on both ends - and that's doubly impressive because he was playing point. For Archie and Devin's performances, for the performance by the new guy (Brown), for PJ's grit, and for the overall play of the team, that was one of the most encouraging games of the season, imo, despite the fact that it was a double-digit loss.

Knight just sorta fell onto my personal trading block.

[StarMaker]

He's going to be a sweetener in a Kieff, Tuck, or Chandler deal. Just my thought.

That's what I thought before tonight's game against Indiana. Archie played controlled, solid basketball on both ends - and that's doubly impressive because he was playing point. For Archie and Devin's performances, for the performance by the new guy (Brown), for PJ's grit, and for the overall play of the team, that was one of the most encouraging games of the season, imo, despite the fact that it was a double-digit loss.

Knight just sorta fell onto my personal trading block.

Knight is just good.

[Mulhollanddrive]

If Reggie Jackson can turn into the current Reggie Jackson, you never know with young potential like Goodwin.