Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[jayu70]

My problem with Al has been his activity, focus, intensity and inconsistency, that has nothing to do with Millsap.

'Teague time' occurs in about a quarter of every 5 games - that's just not good enough.

That's a fair point.

AL seems like he might be working himself out of his early season malaise. He dropped 33 against the Bulls last night and his avg 21 and 9 Rebs in his last five games.

Just in time to make a serious case for his 4th All Star Selection.

I'd like to see us play more through AL and focus more on mid-range and interior play.


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Al was HUGE against the Bull (and Millsap still got his). Like I said before, it's on Al not Millsap.
We do play through Al but a lot of times he's not aggressive. He's too willing to pass up shots, that's the problem.

[Jamaaliver]

Like I said before, it's on Al not Millsap.We do play through Al but a lot of times he's not aggressive. He's too willing to pass up shots, that's the problem.

Yeah, that's for sure.

5 years ago, on a team with Iso-Joe and 'Midrange Shawty', it was one of his more endearing qualities. A top player willing to sacrifice his own shot/production for the good of the team and other players.

But now, it does often feel like a fatal flaw.

I love AL (he's my fave Hawk of all time at this point) but that type of play makes me wonder big time if he really is worth $25+ million per year.

If the FO re-signs him for that amount, it'll be clear they have again settled on maintaining the status quo and ultimately remaining at second tier status. (The cost of being a first time GM and having a new owner.)

[PandaKidd]

what about:

Derozan for Al Horford..........

22ppg (MEGUSTA) , shoots 45% from the field, 3pt isnt great.

Toronto may lose him , they could use a good PF/C in AH, good locker room guy. Prob could mix in some other pieces. Just wondering if he would be available.

Would solve our SG/SF going forward.

[MaceCase]

You'd enter the same situation with DeRozen as you have with Al where you're bringing on an impending free agent. Of course you have the lesser benefit of having a pre-existing rapport with said free agent and that move considerably weakens the frontcourt depth of the Hawks for a player that doesn't shoot well from distance or defends well on the wing. You're better off just taking your chances with re-signing Al and signing Evan Turner in the off-season as a cheaper version of DeRozen.

[PandaKidd]

was just thinking out loud is all. Honestly Im ok with losing Front Court Depth right now as unless we address the wing situation, this team is really going to be pedestrain.

turner is an option for sure.

[MaceCase]

You typically never trade a big for a small especially one of Al's caliber unless you are getting extra value in return. The Raptors would likely have to attach the Denver/Knick pick and given the contract situations I think they balk as should the Hawks.

[ATLHawksfan21]

was just thinking out loud is all. Honestly Im ok with losing Front Court Depth right now as unless we address the wing situation, this team is really going to be pedestrain.

turner is an option for sure.

I think our secondary wing depth is better than our front court depth. Just look at our record with Splitter vs without Splitter for evidence of this. The Hawks are 16-7 when Splitter plays at least 10 minutes and 7-8 when he does not. Splitter has looked like crap all year yet his presence still greatly increases our chances of winning. Lose Horford or Millsap and this team's record will plummet.

[PandaKidd]

I think its easier to find a serviceable big man than an elite scorer.

[PandaKidd]

I know what this team is currently constructed, they arent winning a championship. So, Im getting more and more willing to shake things up.

[ATL Boy]

Agree completely with Mace. I wouldn't trade big for small, unless we're getting more talent in return by getting the smaller player, which I don't see.

Also don't forget that DeRozen will reportedly get courted by Los Angeles, which is close to his hometown, and has the added glamour factor. I don't think he would re-sign with us, even if it's for more money total than he'd get with the Lakers.


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[PandaKidd]

I wasnt thinking that far ahead, i was mainly discussing the Big for Small aspect. of course, neither team would be thrilled without getting extensions in place.

[ATLHawksfan21]

I know what this team is currently constructed, they arent winning a championship. So, Im getting more and more willing to shake things up.

If everyone is healthy, there are only 2 teams that can win a championship right now, maybe 4 if you want to be charitable. There are far more teams who are just not fun to watch. I don't mind being one piece away while also being fun to watch. I prefer that over hoping we strike it lucky in the draft while being stuck with a snooze fest on the court.

[PandaKidd]

Last yaer we found out we couldnt be a WOUNDED Cleveland. Right? Never say never, but I dont think we beat them this year either especially with love/kyrie and everyone else.

We pretty much stayed the same, with the addition of SPlitter who i warned was ALWAYS HURT.

I dont see a "we are only 1 piece away" scenario. ESPECIALLY if we max out AH.

[jayu70]

So if the choice is to max Al or max DeRozan, I'll keep Al.

[Jamaaliver]

So if the choice is to max Al or max DeRozan, I'll keep Al.

Dear God, let there be a third option.

I love AL...but paying him twice as much money to do the same job isn't getting us closer to a title.

We have to be at least willing to keep our options open.

Ferry's entire plan was to keep salary cap flexibility to pursue a top player. We tie up $40+ million in two aging front court players...we'll be cementing ourselves as second tier for the foreseeable future.


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[ATLHawksfan21]

Last yaer we found out we couldnt be a WOUNDED Cleveland. Right? Never say never, but I dont think we beat them this year either especially with love/kyrie and everyone else.

We pretty much stayed the same, with the addition of SPlitter who i warned was ALWAYS HURT.

I dont see a "we are only 1 piece away" scenario. ESPECIALLY if we max out AH.

It's not like we were healthy in that series. Our top 3 wings all went down or played on one leg and Millsap's shoulder was clearly limiting him on offense. The absence of our wings was huge since it forced Millsap to guard Lebron. This left an undersized or weak player on Mozgov/Thompson and they dominated the boards because of it. Are we better than Cleveland right now? No. Can we pass them if we get lucky and find a way to land one very good player? I think so. Lebron has a ton of mileage on them legs and he has to start slowing down at some point. He's the one that drives that train and history shows that Irving and Love can't be depended on as the lead guy on a contender.

[PandaKidd]

Last yaer we found out we couldnt be a WOUNDED Cleveland. Right? Never say never, but I dont think we beat them this year either especially with love/kyrie and everyone else.

We pretty much stayed the same, with the addition of SPlitter who i warned was ALWAYS HURT.

I dont see a "we are only 1 piece away" scenario. ESPECIALLY if we max out AH.

It's not like we were healthy in that series. Our top 3 wings all went down or played on one leg and Millsap's shoulder was clearly limiting him on offense. The absence of our wings was huge since it forced Millsap to guard Lebron. This left an undersized or weak player on Mozgov/Thompson and they dominated the boards because of it. Are we better than Cleveland right now? No. Can we pass them if we get lucky and find a way to land one very good player? I think so. Lebron has a ton of mileage on them legs and he has to start slowing down at some point. He's the one that drives that train and history shows that Irving and Love can't be depended on as the lead guy on a contender.

you must hav emissed the Nets and Wizards series too

At this point, unless they drastically play MUCH different ive come to 2 conclusions:

1) Move Horford for something even draft picks (CALL BOSTON)
2) Trade teague even if its just Draft Picks.

We have no young talent in the pipeline, we have squandered draft choices outside of DS. You will prob lose bazemore in FA (if we wouldnt pay DMC what makes you think they pay Bazemore?)

a front court of PM/AH with only hinging on DS being lightyears better than Teague, sorry, that isnt getting it done. Thabo is old and aging, Korver is not going to shoot like he did last year and is aging.

I think im gaining perspective on last year, and current ownership , IMO is scared to do a reboot or soft retool because of what happened last year. They are scared if we suck or are mediocre for 1-2 years they will lose all the credit they built up last year.

[PandaKidd]

So when you do what the Hawks did (which is sign SF/SG to short term deals) you get guys like DMC/Bazemore. The pro and con is
1) You get them CHEAP. Their production is vastly over their salary.
2) You have to PAY them once they fully learn your system and you never establish consistency or chemistry long term.

I could really argue that you would rather pay Bazemore this summer and let AH walk and hope you can grab Noah or something for cheaper.

I could even argue that they were probably better off LONG TERM letting PM walk, signing AH THIS offseason and actually drafting someone at 15. The reason you draft people is YOU OWN THEM. No rookie is walking from an extension (revisit the KI convos we had on this board). Right now, we OWN dennis schroeder. and hes cheap relative to his production (and even cheaper if hes a starter).

I just keep looking at this team, and its becoming really really apparent to me there is NOT that much difference between this team and the JJ/Josh Smith teams. The only difference is this team is more fun to watch. Once they sign that AH max deal (which i think they will) it will be right back to tier 2 mediocrity.

If youre telling me the future is
21 million PM
25 Million Al Horford
8 MIllion Tiago SPlitter
8 MIllion Jeff Teague
9 Million Korver/Thabo

THATS 71 MILLION DOLLARS RIGHT THERE.........

Max salaries for 2015-16 based on years of service:
0-6 yrs: $16.407 mil
7-10 yrs: $19.689 mil
10+ yrs: $22.970 mil

[MaceCase]

You will prob lose bazemore in FA (if we wouldnt pay DMC what makes you think they pay Bazemore?)

They lost DeMarre because they couldn't pay him not because they wouldn't. Due to cap restrictions and not having full Bird rights they didn't have the option of retaining both Millsap and DeMarre at their prices so they made the decision of going with the All Star big man. Bazemore's free agency is different because the Hawks can use cap space to retain him and then go over the cap to retain Al because they have his full Bird rights.

[ATLHawksfan21]

Last yaer we found out we couldnt be a WOUNDED Cleveland. Right? Never say never, but I dont think we beat them this year either especially with love/kyrie and everyone else.

We pretty much stayed the same, with the addition of SPlitter who i warned was ALWAYS HURT.

I dont see a "we are only 1 piece away" scenario. ESPECIALLY if we max out AH.

It's not like we were healthy in that series. Our top 3 wings all went down or played on one leg and Millsap's shoulder was clearly limiting him on offense. The absence of our wings was huge since it forced Millsap to guard Lebron. This left an undersized or weak player on Mozgov/Thompson and they dominated the boards because of it. Are we better than Cleveland right now? No. Can we pass them if we get lucky and find a way to land one very good player? I think so. Lebron has a ton of mileage on them legs and he has to start slowing down at some point. He's the one that drives that train and history shows that Irving and Love can't be depended on as the lead guy on a contender.

you must hav emissed the Nets and Wizards series too

I was at every home game of the playoff run and we weren't healthy in those series either. Besides, the playoffs aren't meant to be easy. The Mavs took the Spurs to a game 7 in the first round 2 years ago when they set the record for largest average win margin in the Finals. Hell, we took the Celtics to 7 in 2008 and the Pacers to 7 when we were the 8th seed.

Thabo was out the entire time.

Scott was clearly still hurting from that big fall he took late in the season. He shot 35% from 3 before the fall and 21.5% after it.

Paul's shoulder hampered his offense big time. (regular season he shot 47.6% FG and 35.6% 3. playoffs 40.7% FG% and 30.6% 3)

Horford dislocated his pinky at the very beginning of game 1 vs the Nets and his shot suffered badly in the first 3 games. Once his finger recovered and he started making shots, we made easy work of the Nets outside of game 4, where they shot 45% from 3 as a team and Deron Williams couldn't miss a shot if he tried.

Teague sprained his ankle badly in game 6 vs the Nets and at the beginning of game 1 vs Washington. He struggled through the first 3 games of the Washington series before taking over once his ankle got healthy.