Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

[Heat_Fan_87]

I just heard from a reliable source within the org, (believe me if you want) that the team has no intentions of trading Whiteside. So take if for what it's worth.

Must be the same source that introduced you to Napier.

There's a fallout brewing either way. He may be packaged with deng for a player that fits better down here.

Won't solve anything though and it would torch our entire frontcourt. Maybe we can send them to NO? Get Ryan Anderson in return?

Dragic
Wade
Winslow/Green
Anderson
Bosh

I wouldn't trust us on defense, and our bench would still be dead, but it's something.

My point was, it's easy to post anything and make ish up. He has no sources.

One day you might find a sauce, but for now you will have to stick to whitesides snapchat

[Rich2Hassan]

So since wAtChout has spoken, i expect Hassan to be traded. Question is, who becomes the new scapegoat when we continue down the path we are on? Dragic? Wade? Bosh? Spo? Winslow? Riley? Stay tuned.

[Heat_Fan_87]

So since wAtChout has spoken, i expect Hassan to be traded. Question is, who becomes the new scapegoat when we continue down the path we are on? Dragic? Wade? Bosh? Spo? Winslow? Riley? Stay tuned.

Keith smart obviously

[Rich2Hassan]

Must be the same source that introduced you to Napier.

There's a fallout brewing either way. He may be packaged with deng for a player that fits better down here.

Won't solve anything though and it would torch our entire frontcourt. Maybe we can send them to NO? Get Ryan Anderson in return?

Dragic
Wade
Winslow/Green
Anderson
Bosh

I wouldn't trust us on defense, and our bench would still be dead, but it's something.

My point was, it's easy to post anything and make ish up. He has no sources.

One day you might find a sauce, but for now you will have to stick to whitesides snapchat

Oh ok. Who's your next scapegoat once Hassan is traded? I'm taking bets.

[RexBoyWonder]

The Heat FO and coaching staff is completely fed up with Hassan. The guy has a terrible selfish attitude and if he isn't getting his stats he could care less if the team wins or looses. It's all about him and his #'s. He is not Miami Heat culture and I don't think anyone but a LeBron type player would force Riley and the Heat to "bend their rules"

Think of it this way -- if Hassan played for another team and was a free agent this summer would you think he would be a real Heat target this summer to use max cap space on? I personally don't think it would even be a conversation.

Keep in mind this is him making $950k playing his ass off to get the $Max. Do you really want to find out who this guy is / how hard he works for $100m in guaranteed money? I know I don't.

Yup, that's my fear here. That he's right.

No other reason to trade him. "fit" is not a legit reason, even money isn't. Smallball isn't. If he's traded they must feel he's a real cancer that is not going to improve/work hard/ecome a team player. And if they feel that, trading him is the right call. You don't bend for non-winning players. He's not Lebron.

Ryan Anderson does make a lot of sense IMO. So does Batum.

If we're not keeping Whiteside, our entire offseason plans change. Ww could end up with

Dragon
Wade
Batum
Anderson
Bosh

Green, Mcbob, Winslow, J-Rich, Stokes bench.

Much better shooting, less defensive.

[KingDavid]

Riley is going to go all-in at trade deadline. Like it or not he's not wasting his last few years / Wade's last few years being middle of the fodder. If you don't get Durant in Free Agency there is nothing that turns this team into a title contender.

From what I hear and know I would not be surprised to see Whiteside/McRoberts package traded for Ryan Anderson. Deng/Winslow package traded for Carmelo. Gives you a really strong starting 5 with proper spacing, but you are missing a defensive stopper, and really have no depth -- but that's what you can fix this summer and really go championship or bust in 2017.

Winslow/Deng for max contract melo don't match. We have no draft picks and no other players worth trading for, so getting multiple teams involved is highly unlikely.

You're right about trades thinning us out even more. Melo and Ryan Anderson can make us better if we had a better bench once the smoke is cleared. Tj and Gerald Green are solid back ups, but we'd have literally nothing after that at 2/3, 4, and 5. We would need a defensive wing at the 2/3, but they're not cheap. And solid big men are rare these days and expensive.

We're in a rut.

[Rich2Hassan]

I'm glad this is going to be over soon. We are in for a rude awakening during the rest of this season and FA. Reality will set in very soon. I can't wait to bump this thread in july.

[MettaWorldPanda]

It's not like we need to trade Hassan, we won't get much in return and he's a good player and he's making small money.

if we're looking to trade him there can only be justification - he's a cancer with his ego and personality, and not a team/Heat type player and they can't stand him around and don't see him staying past this season.

Those are things we as fans can't judge. but it's possible, we're seeing the signs popping up.

If he's not a locker room cancer and indeed coachable, I would get rid of Spo and give another coach a chance to make our players click before I let go of a potentially very good defensive anchor.

Very strange situation. You can tell we need a change but I really don't know what kind.

I'm starting to lean on that he may be turning into a locker room cancer. Maybe they want to get him away from Winslow.

Are you serious??!! WOW i've heard it all. Winslow can't be influenced by anyone, he is an adult. Green is a knucklehead but, yet we never hear anyone call him out. It's obvious you guys are letting the media control your minds and make you believe that Hassan is really the issue here. WOW, i just can't believe what i'm reading lately.

I'll call out Green. He's a stat fluffing knuckle head on a losing team.

[spastic]

I remember before the season started so many people on this board had us winning 50 games. Some even thought we could win 60. Hell i thought we were a playoff team last season even after bosh went down. Instead we lost our playoff spot to teams like the nets and celtics lol.
Everyone likes to blame players, but they are only doing what they're being told. Maybe what they're being told is a losing strategy.

[Heat_Fan_87]

I remember before the season started so many people on this board had us winning 50 games. Some even thought we could win 60. Hell i thought we were a playoff team last season even after bosh went down. Instead we lost our playoff spot to teams like the nets and celtics lol.
Everyone likes to blame players, but they are only doing what they're being told. Maybe what they're being told is a losing strategy.

[RexBoyWonder]

Trade deadline is 34 days away. So we have time to plan our moves. Might not hear nothing for the next month.

New Orlines and Hornets are teams to keep an eye for, if they fail they could be up for a big change.

Will also keep an eye on how Spo uses Whiteside, if starts getting benched quickly/every 4th - the end is near.

[Bishop45]

solid big men are rare these days and expensive.

We're in a rut.

All that I can take out of the situation right now. If he's as bad in the lockerrom as some of these reports are saying(I Never believe in them wholesomely) then we don't have a choice. My only problem is how sudden all this is coming, there's always only been positive reports from teammates and coaching staff his entire upcoming... can't imagine what happened or if they've been downplaying things the whole time. idk, doesn't seem right

[orphicwhip]

I doubt Whiteside is being told to leave position and go for the block every time, never pass no matter how many times he's triple teamed and someone is wide open, turn the ball over half the time,never make contact on a screen or whine like a baby when he isn't treated like a 1st option.

[Heat_Fan_87]

I doubt Whiteside is being told to leave position and go for the block every time, never pass no matter how many times he's triple teamed and someone is wide open, turn the ball over half the time,never make contact on a screen or whine like a baby when he isn't treated like a 1st option.

N8 would disagree lol

[KingKyrie1]

I have a question, how many times does Whiteside block and keeps the ball in play for the Heat? I mean if he blocks it out of bounds or straight into the other teams hands it isn't as good, I feel like sometimes he just needs to contest rather than go for the flashy block..
Can his block tendencies be exploited?

[Heat_Fan_87]

solid big men are rare these days and expensive.

We're in a rut.

All that I can take out of the situation right now. If he's as bad in the lockerrom as some of these reports are saying(I Never believe in them wholesomely) then we don't have a choice. My only problem is how sudden all this is coming, there's always only been positive reports from teammates and coaching staff his entire upcoming... can't imagine what happened or if they've been downplaying things the whole time. idk, doesn't seem right

It's much more than just the locker room. It's his inability to see the big picture, understand the team concept and play within the system. the front office fears the whiteside is more interested in his 2k rating then the little things needed to win. Like setting a **** screen, or hustle back on d every possession, even if he didn't touch the ball, or sacrificing team d to get a block.

[KingDavid]

The Heat FO and coaching staff is completely fed up with Hassan. The guy has a terrible selfish attitude and if he isn't getting his stats he could care less if the team wins or looses. It's all about him and his #'s. He is not Miami Heat culture and I don't think anyone but a LeBron type player would force Riley and the Heat to "bend their rules"

Think of it this way -- if Hassan played for another team and was a free agent this summer would you think he would be a real Heat target this summer to use max cap space on? I personally don't think it would even be a conversation.

Keep in mind this is him making $950k playing his ass off to get the $Max. Do you really want to find out who this guy is / how hard he works for $100m in guaranteed money? I know I don't.

If we didn't have Bosh? Yeah, we'd go after him.

But having potentially $40 million in a frontcourt that doesn't fit anyway, it makes sense to trade Hassan while we can.

But we're going to lose that trade. It'll take a bit more for us to get Ryan Anderson and I'm worried it'll cost us Winslow. Because then we'd lose Deng in the summer. And have nothing at small forward.

[Bishop45]

solid big men are rare these days and expensive.

We're in a rut.

All that I can take out of the situation right now. If he's as bad in the lockerrom as some of these reports are saying(I Never believe in them wholesomely) then we don't have a choice. My only problem is how sudden all this is coming, there's always only been positive reports from teammates and coaching staff his entire upcoming... can't imagine what happened or if they've been downplaying things the whole time. idk, doesn't seem right

It's much more than just the locker room. It's his inability to see the big picture, understand the team concept and play within the system. the front office fears the whiteside is more interested in his 2k rating then the little things needed to win. Like setting a **** screen, or hustle back on d every possession, even if he didn't touch the ball, or sacrificing team d to get a block.

Kind of a lockerroom problem if he's not being cordial in all this

[Bishop45]

I have a question, how many times does Whiteside block and keeps the ball in play for the Heat? I mean if he blocks it out of bounds or straight into the other teams hands it isn't as good, I feel like sometimes he just needs to contest rather than go for the flashy block..
Can his block tendencies be exploited?

You've come back?

[KingDavid]

I have a question, how many times does Whiteside block and keeps the ball in play for the Heat? I mean if he blocks it out of bounds or straight into the other teams hands it isn't as good, I feel like sometimes he just needs to contest rather than go for the flashy block..
Can his block tendencies be exploited?

They have been exploited.

He aggressively goes for the block every single time. All you have to do is pass it to his man. Or when he's stuck on the low block, the big can just hook it over his reach. He doesn't use his footwork and strength to keep bigs out the paint. It's as if he let's them get good position for easy hooks and post play. He's been yelled at about that a few times this season.