Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

[RexBoyWonder]

We're not trading Winslow. And for Anderson? Get serious.

Justise is the bonafide Heat player, he's like the Anti-Hassan :

all about winning and the team's needs,
doesn't bring the eye poping stats (like..AT ALL )
doesn't play for glory,
mature beyond his years,
low key,
Smart,
high BB IQ
likeable guy.

Does he have the same raw talent? we don't know. We should hope. Because if does he's here for the next 15 years, guaranteed.

[orphicwhip]

I have a question, how many times does Whiteside block and keeps the ball in play for the Heat? I mean if he blocks it out of bounds or straight into the other teams hands it isn't as good, I feel like sometimes he just needs to contest rather than go for the flashy block..
Can his block tendencies be exploited?

It's far more than a question, it's a reality. Hassan constantly going for blocks more than often times leaves our defense exposed and any team with competent passers can take advantage of that. They'll just pass the ball after Whiteside goes soaring and it's going to result in a wide open jumper or a layup/dunk because Bosh or one of our Wings has to recover for Whiteside after he leaves position instead of just trying to alter the shot.

It's a big problem with his post defense too, instead of actually playing defense on his man he's just waiting for the shot attempt so he can try to block it instead of bodying up his matchup.
This allows his matchup to throw upa shot attempt of his choice and adjust to Whiteside's length. It's why you see players like Gortat, Vucevic, or even Robin Lopez or Cole Aldrich scoring on Hassan. Compare this to other defensive centers like Gobert or Marc Gasol, they're fighting for position, elbowing, trying to frustrate their matchup so it's harder for them to get a decent look.

[KingDavid]

We're not trading Winslow. And for Anderson? Get serious.

Justise is the bonafide Heat player, he's like the Anti-Hassan :

all about winning and the team's needs,
doesn't bring the eye poping stats (like..AT ALL )
doesn't play for glory,
mature beyond his years,
low key,
Smart,
high BB IQ
likeable guy.

Does he have the same raw talent? we don't know. We should hope. Because if does he's here for the next 15 years, guaranteed.

Right, we'd have to trade deng with Whiteside for salaries to match. Not winslow.

Then Anderson is a free agent and we're going to have to overpay for his services. Same with Batum.

Oh this is going to be fun.

[KingDavid]

I have a question, how many times does Whiteside block and keeps the ball in play for the Heat? I mean if he blocks it out of bounds or straight into the other teams hands it isn't as good, I feel like sometimes he just needs to contest rather than go for the flashy block..
Can his block tendencies be exploited?

It's far more than a question, it's a reality. Hassan constantly going for blocks more than often times leaves our defense exposed and any team with competent passers can take advantage of that. They'll just pass the ball after Whiteside goes soaring and it's going to result in a wide open jumper or a layup/dunk because Bosh or one of our Wings has to recover for Whiteside after he leaves position instead of just trying to alter the shot.

It's a big problem with his post defense too, instead of actually playing defense on his man he's just waiting for the shot attempt so he can try to block it instead of bodying up his matchup.
This allows his matchup to throw upa shot attempt of his choice and adjust to Whiteside's length. It's why you see players like Gortat, Vucevic, or even Robin Lopez or Cole Aldrich scoring on Hassan. Compare this to other defensive centers like Gobert or Marc Gasol, they're fighting for position, elbowing, trying to frustrate their matchup so it's harder for them to get a decent look.

Yup.

He wasn't doing this crap last season. He would fight big men out of the box but then get tired or overpowered. Then he bulked up way too much, learns how to throw the occasional jumphook instead of learning how to move the ball in our offense (thanks, oh GREAT Juwan howard) and allowed Riley to get in his head about demanding the ball. So now he pouts and sets the weakest screens I've ever seen when he doesn't get the ball and doesn't play team defense. It's infuriating to me because I swear to God he's doing these things on purpose.

[Heat_Fan_87]

I have a question, how many times does Whiteside block and keeps the ball in play for the Heat? I mean if he blocks it out of bounds or straight into the other teams hands it isn't as good, I feel like sometimes he just needs to contest rather than go for the flashy block..
Can his block tendencies be exploited?

It's far more than a question, it's a reality. Hassan constantly going for blocks more than often times leaves our defense exposed and any team with competent passers can take advantage of that. They'll just pass the ball after Whiteside goes soaring and it's going to result in a wide open jumper or a layup/dunk because Bosh or one of our Wings has to recover for Whiteside after he leaves position instead of just trying to alter the shot.

It's a big problem with his post defense too, instead of actually playing defense on his man he's just waiting for the shot attempt so he can try to block it instead of bodying up his matchup.
This allows his matchup to throw upa shot attempt of his choice and adjust to Whiteside's length. It's why you see players like Gortat, Vucevic, or even Robin Lopez or Cole Aldrich scoring on Hassan. Compare this to other defensive centers like Gobert or Marc Gasol, they're fighting for position, elbowing, trying to frustrate their matchup so it's harder for them to get a decent look.

Yup.

He wasn't doing this crap last season. He would fight big men out of the box but then get tired or overpowered. Then he bulked up way too much, learns how to throw the occasional jumphook instead of learning how to move the ball in our offense (thanks, oh GREAT Juwan howard) and allowed Riley to get in his head about demanding the ball. So now he pouts and sets the weakest screens I've ever seen when he doesn't get the ball and doesn't play team defense. It's infuriating to me because I swear to God he's doing these things on purpose.

For every week screen he sets, should be 10k fine from heat org. its **** pathetic the guy cant seal his man on a screen.

Since the past summer it has pretty much been a forgone conclusion hassan will be making max. maybe he is just playing soft to not get injured, whatever it is, not worth giving him max to see him play this way for the next 4 years.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I have a question, how many times does Whiteside block and keeps the ball in play for the Heat? I mean if he blocks it out of bounds or straight into the other teams hands it isn't as good, I feel like sometimes he just needs to contest rather than go for the flashy block..
Can his block tendencies be exploited?

It's far more than a question, it's a reality. Hassan constantly going for blocks more than often times leaves our defense exposed and any team with competent passers can take advantage of that. They'll just pass the ball after Whiteside goes soaring and it's going to result in a wide open jumper or a layup/dunk because Bosh or one of our Wings has to recover for Whiteside after he leaves position instead of just trying to alter the shot.

It's a big problem with his post defense too, instead of actually playing defense on his man he's just waiting for the shot attempt so he can try to block it instead of bodying up his matchup.
This allows his matchup to throw upa shot attempt of his choice and adjust to Whiteside's length. It's why you see players like Gortat, Vucevic, or even Robin Lopez or Cole Aldrich scoring on Hassan. Compare this to other defensive centers like Gobert or Marc Gasol, they're fighting for position, elbowing, trying to frustrate their matchup so it's harder for them to get a decent look.

Yup.

He wasn't doing this crap last season. He would fight big men out of the box but then get tired or overpowered. Then he bulked up way too much, learns how to throw the occasional jumphook instead of learning how to move the ball in our offense (thanks, oh GREAT Juwan howard) and allowed Riley to get in his head about demanding the ball. So now he pouts and sets the weakest screens I've ever seen when he doesn't get the ball and doesn't play team defense. It's infuriating to me because I swear to God he's doing these things on purpose.

That's ridiculous Just fishing for a N8 and1

[KingDavid]

That will forever irritate me. His weaknesses from last season were strength, conditioning, and ball movement. He even had the makings of a decent jumpshot. "Hey, let's teach him post moves to eat up spacing in the middle -even though we play an offense predicated on spacing, with guards that heavily rely on spacing!"

[Rich2Hassan]

Dragic, come on down. You are back to being public enemy #1 once Hassan is moved.

[KingKyrie1]

I have a question, how many times does Whiteside block and keeps the ball in play for the Heat? I mean if he blocks it out of bounds or straight into the other teams hands it isn't as good, I feel like sometimes he just needs to contest rather than go for the flashy block..
Can his block tendencies be exploited?

You've come back?

I'm sincerely intirgued by it, I mean I don't watch Heat games often but when I do it seems like alot of blocks he gets is either swatted out of bounds or is still in play for the other team.
I see tons of potential but it must be scary to pay that much for a guy that can turn on you in an instant, I don't like his body language and It must also frustrate the fans and his teammates.
So the question is, can he improve his BBall IQ? can he improve his demeanor? How hard will teams go at him in the playoffs? mentally and physically.. it's interesting.

[Cmon_Son-_-]

If we ain't getting Cousins. I don't want to hear anything about a Whiteside Trade.

[Bishop45]

I have a question, how many times does Whiteside block and keeps the ball in play for the Heat? I mean if he blocks it out of bounds or straight into the other teams hands it isn't as good, I feel like sometimes he just needs to contest rather than go for the flashy block..
Can his block tendencies be exploited?

You've come back?

Spoiler:

I'm sincerely intirgued by it, I mean I don't watch Heat games often but when I do it seems like alot of blocks he gets is either swatted out of bounds or is still in play for the other team.
I see tons of potential but it must be scary to pay that much for a guy that can turn on you in an instant, I don't like his body language and It must also frustrate the fans and his teammates.
So the question is, can he improve his BBall IQ? can he improve his demeanor? How hard will teams go at him in the playoffs? mentally and physically.. it's interesting.

I see, I can be a conditional troll too... weigh a minute? what if you're trolling now? idk.

[KingKyrie1]

You've come back?

Spoiler:

I'm sincerely intirgued by it, I mean I don't watch Heat games often but when I do it seems like alot of blocks he gets is either swatted out of bounds or is still in play for the other team.
I see tons of potential but it must be scary to pay that much for a guy that can turn on you in an instant, I don't like his body language and It must also frustrate the fans and his teammates.
So the question is, can he improve his BBall IQ? can he improve his demeanor? How hard will teams go at him in the playoffs? mentally and physically.. it's interesting.

I see, I can be a conditional troll too... weigh a minute? what if you're trolling now? idk.

Lol,i'm not trolling now..

[Prince Ali]

Riley is going to go all-in at trade deadline. Like it or not he's not wasting his last few years / Wade's last few years being middle of the fodder. If you don't get Durant in Free Agency there is nothing that turns this team into a title contender.

From what I hear and know I would not be surprised to see Whiteside/McRoberts package traded for Ryan Anderson. Deng/Winslow package traded for Carmelo. Gives you a really strong starting 5 with proper spacing, but you are missing a defensive stopper, and really have no depth -- but that's what you can fix this summer and really go championship or bust in 2017.

You guys still falling for this crap from Watchout? Forget Wade's last few years, think about the future. Sign Whiteside, let the "other" UFA walk this summer.

And for the record I would trade TJ before Winslow, and I like TJ. But those young perimeter defenders dont grow on trees.

[gom]

I have a question, how many times does Whiteside block and keeps the ball in play for the Heat? I mean if he blocks it out of bounds or straight into the other teams hands it isn't as good, I feel like sometimes he just needs to contest rather than go for the flashy block..
Can his block tendencies be exploited?

You've come back?

I'm sincerely intirgued by it, I mean I don't watch Heat games often but when I do it seems like alot of blocks he gets is either swatted out of bounds or is still in play for the other team.
I see tons of potential but it must be scary to pay that much for a guy that can turn on you in an instant, I don't like his body language and It must also frustrate the fans and his teammates.
So the question is, can he improve his BBall IQ? can he improve his demeanor? How hard will teams go at him in the playoffs? mentally and physically.. it's interesting.

You haven't watched many games then. Hassan keeps the ball inbounds most of the time on his blocks and the vast majority end up with Heat teammates.

[Bishop45]

Cousins is crazy and might be unintentionally on par or below Whiteside defensively but at least we'd get some offense back and someone to scare the daylight out of Spo occasionally... just not the direction I was hoping we'd go after the Wade era. Hell, we might already be a dysfunctional team

[Rich2Hassan]

For all praying for a Whiteside trade ask yourself this. If you are a GM of another team, why in the world would you give up any real assets for him, when he can be had in the offseason. It's almost certain he's not re-signing here. Riley can't always work his "magic". He already lost that Grizzlies trade.

[RexBoyWonder]

. Israel Gutierrez joins the show to discuss the Heat’s struggles. He says the relationship between Wade and Hassan isn’t great. There were rumors in the summer that they got into a disagreement

Wade is like the only guy that seemed to have any connection with Hassan.

[gom]

You have all heard that one of the reasons that the Heat don't need Hassan is that the team actually is better when he's off the court. It's simple to prove this by statistics. A couple of clicks and you get there:



All the other regular Heat players are positive except one:

Spoiler:

Now tell me this, do you *really* think we are a better team when WADE is off the court? I do not. Isn't it possible that simple on/off statistics misses an important aspect of the game? Specifically, the players you play against when you are a starter are also better.

For your consideration.

[orphicwhip]

I don't think anyone has argued that we're a better team with Wade off the floor, I'd like to think every Heat fan knows that. We've seen his contributions with his scoring and playmaking and know it's vital to our success.

My ONLY issue with Wade is his super high USG% and his play down the stretch. he shouldn't be trying to shoulder so much responsibility at this stage of his career.

Hassan on the other hand....

[Bishop45]

"I was setting hard picks and they’re calling me for a foul when I do."

'nother troubling quote, but at least it's being addressed somehow