Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[ATLHawksfan21]

Well the early exit is a matter of opinion. I think we finish with the 2/3 seed and end up in the ECFs again as long as we are healthy. Look for us to have about a 5 game lead in the SE division by the end of February.

I know the above statement sounds like I'm overly in love with this team but that is not the case. That's just my realistic prediction on how we will finish this year. Do we need more to be a real contender? Of course we do. 90% of other teams do as well. We are closer to being contenders now than we ever have been and it would be foolish to blow it up now.

You all seem to think that this team will take a minor step back if Millsap or Horford is traded. That is far from reality. This team will sink hard if one of those are traded without a near equal replacing them.

[og15]

Would the Hawks have any interest in a deal involving DeAndre Jordan and Al Horford? Not that the Clippers have expressed any interest in such a thing, but theoretically. I know Hawks fans have felt a need for more size inside, but we also all know what Jordan's limitations are.

[PandaKidd]

Well the early exit is a matter of opinion. I think we finish with the 2/3 seed and end up in the ECFs again as long as we are healthy. Look for us to have about a 5 game lead in the SE division by the end of February.

Im not sure we make the ECF again, thats just me.

I know the above statement sounds like I'm overly in love with this team but that is not the case. That's just my realistic prediction on how we will finish this year. Do we need more to be a real contender? Of course we do. 90% of other teams do as well. We are closer to being contenders now than we ever have been and it would be foolish to blow it up now.

Its called being a fan Some of us are pessimistic some of us more optimistic. I dont think we are contenders. I just dont see it theres too many deficiencies on this team.

You all seem to think that this team will take a minor step back if Millsap or Horford is traded. That is far from reality. This team will sink hard if one of those are traded without a near equal replacing them.

I dont think that is a bad thing LONG TERM if we draft well. So we suck for a year or two, maybe we hit on those draft picks (that would be placing a lot of faith in the front office of course which hasnt worked recently). Losing AH i dont think would cripple you IF you played it right.

[ATLHawksfan21]

Would the Hawks have any interest in a deal involving DeAndre Jordan and Al Horford? Not that the Clippers have expressed any interest in such a thing, but theoretically. I know Hawks fans have felt a need for more size inside, but we also all know what Jordan's limitations are.

I would have no interest while others probably would.

[Jamaaliver]

You all seem to think that this team will take a minor step back if Millsap or Horford is traded. That is far from reality. This team will sink hard if one of those are traded without a near equal replacing them.

I dont think that is a bad thing LONG TERM if we draft well. So we suck for a year or two, maybe we hit on those draft picks (that would be placing a lot of faith in the front office of course which hasnt worked recently). Losing AH i dont think would cripple you IF you played it right.

BINGO!!!

And that's the issue, a soft reboot can be helpful if embraced and utilized properly.

Indiana and Miami just missed the playoffs the season following two straight ECF appearances. They now have young talent, better roster flexibility, and a renewed focus on offense/defense. Injuries forced them to be bad for a year, and they came out stronger as a result.

MIA looked dead in the water Summer 2014. Now they have a couple of young defensive pups, are right with us in the standings and this Summer will be able to reload and improve their squad in Free Agency.

If we're not one of the top 4 teams with a legit shot at a title this year...why put ALL our marbles on this iteration which clearly is a tier down from those elite teams in SA, Golden State and Cleveland?

How much better would we be if Ferry had jettisoned Josh Smith immediately in 2012, accepted a single season of rebuilding then selected Giannis and Dennis in the 2013 draft?

That team has just as much financial flexibility as we do now...but also has elite young talent (and trade chips) to improve the team for years to come.

[Jamaaliver]

Would the Hawks have any interest in a deal involving DeAndre Jordan and Al Horford? Not that the Clippers have expressed any interest in such a thing, but theoretically. I know Hawks fans have felt a need for more size inside, but we also all know what Jordan's limitations are.

The amount of money owed DJ is disheartening. And from a system/culture fit....I'm not sure Jordan really works.

Wouldn't be a terrible move for us...but probably not ideal.

Any chance CP3 might be for sale?

[ATL Boy]

I'd call Milwaukee right now and offer Teague for Middleton. Jeff's value will absolutely decrease this summer seeing as how he'll become an expiring contract, and right now there is no longer any doubt in my mind hat I'd rather have Dennis going forward.

[Jamaaliver]

I'd call Milwaukee right now and offer Teague for Middleton. Jeff's value will absolutely decrease this summer seeing as how he'll become an expiring contract, and right now there is no longer any doubt in my mind hat I'd rather have Dennis going forward.

YES!!!

But Jeff's stock is on the decline in the midst of a forgettable season. This kind of trade is what I was advocating last summer.

At this point, I doubt the Bucks move KM for JT0 straight up. And the longer we wait to move him, the less his value will be.

Note: I do have some lingering doubts regarding DS and his maturity long term. But, the difference at this point is negligible in the short term.




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[og15]

Would the Hawks have any interest in a deal involving DeAndre Jordan and Al Horford? Not that the Clippers have expressed any interest in such a thing, but theoretically. I know Hawks fans have felt a need for more size inside, but we also all know what Jordan's limitations are.

The amount of money owed DJ is disheartening. And from a system/culture fit....I'm not sure Jordan really works.

Wouldn't be a terrible move for us...but probably not ideal.

Any chance CP3 might be for sale?

Outside of guys like Simmons and such saying the Clippers should trade him for some reason, I don't think the Clippers have any interest in moving CP. Obviously like has been said a million times, ATL really should have drafted him, would have been very interesting to see how he could have helped them all this time if he was drafted there.

The sort of mixed response / yea it's not a bad deal is what I expected. Dealing Horford for DJ is an okay deal for ATL, but it isn't anything amazing. You aren't getting a superstar or anything. DJ's probably not a bad fit on Atlanta in terms of his skills and size, and he's not a bad fit on the Clippers obviously, it's just that I don't know if a guy like DJ next to Blake maximizes Blake, and maybe vice versa. DJ's skills are obviously known, finish inside very well, rebound, block shots, good (not "elite") defense, very good screen setter, and he has the gravity as a roll man. Thinking about it, the theoretical combo of Korver/DJ obviously would remind one of the Redick/DJ combo, which is why I also mentioned Blake not being his "ideal" fit, because a guy that spaces further out at the 4 makes the Redick/DJ pin down action extremely annoying for teams to guard.

There's just always a feeling like that it would be nice to get a guy next to Blake who is the one that plays the role of the spacer (especially a guy who is actually a better shooter than Blake), and therefore Blake can play inside more while still having the ability to shoot when needed.

[Tfence92]

I'd call Milwaukee right now and offer Teague for Middleton. Jeff's value will absolutely decrease this summer seeing as how he'll become an expiring contract, and right now there is no longer any doubt in my mind hat I'd rather have Dennis going forward.

YES!!!

But Jeff's stock is on the decline in the midst of a forgettable season. This kind of trade is what I was advocating last summer.

At this point, I doubt the Bucks move KM for JT0 straight up. And the longer we wait to move him, the less his value will be.

Note: I do have some lingering doubts regarding DS and his maturity long term. But, the difference at this point is negligible in the short term.


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Middleton is turning into a go to guy this year, and with his improved passing and ball handling, he's looking like a franchise player. He's probably not getting dealt at all, let alone for Teague (who I love but his value is down from the past few years).
Is there anyone else not named Jabari or Giannis that interests you?

Note: didn't mean to come in and interrupt you guys, was just perusing other forum's trade ideas and had no idea that Hawks fans wanted to move Teague, so I thought I'd peek my head in.

[Jamaaliver]

Note: didn't mean to come in and interrupt you guys, was just perusing other forum's trade ideas and had no idea that Hawks fans wanted to move Teague, so I thought I'd peek my head in.

Not a problem, man. That's the whole point of the message boards. The sharing of ideas and information.

Is there anyone else not named Jabari or Giannis that interests you?

Sadly, no. We need a productive young wing. We'd probably be open to adding draft picks and/or Tiago if it'd help. Some would even consider adding Horford in talks if it got the job done.

Just something to think on. At some point you guys will need a proven vet or two to bring that young talent together.

[Tfence92]

Note: didn't mean to come in and interrupt you guys, was just perusing other forum's trade ideas and had no idea that Hawks fans wanted to move Teague, so I thought I'd peek my head in.

Not a problem, man. That's the whole point of the message boards. The sharing of ideas and information.

Is there anyone else not named Jabari or Giannis that interests you?

Sadly, no. We need a productive young wing. We'd probably be open to adding draft picks and/or Tiago if it'd help. Some would even consider adding Horford in talks if it got the job done.

Just something to think on. At some point you guys will need a proven vet or two to bring that young talent together.

I don't disagree at all, we certainly can use some vets, I just don't see any scenario where they trade Giannis or Jabari without getting a perennial all star back (obviously I'm biased in my thinking, but there is no way in my mind that they can trade either imo. They are far from reaching any kind of potential and consistency and it would be brutal from a PR standpoint).

Not to mention that I truly believe they are in it for the long haul and know that it's going to take a little longer than just one year or one "big" FA signing.

Obviously with their talent, they shouldn't be below .500 let alone like 8 games under. However, they also know that they way over achieved last year. No reason they should miss the playoffs this year, but when LED took over they knew they weren't going to be competing for the finals in just two years.

That all said, I don't think they could ever get Teague (especially since we couldn't find PT for the likes of a Horford).

How are you on Bazemore? Idk how willing the Hawks really are to move core players, but most of you on the board here seem to want to blow it up? I assume ATL will want to pay Bazemore, but if you didn't think you would/could what would it take to get him?
Bazemore is a guy that I absolutely loved coming out of college and even when he was riding the pine for GS. One of the few guys I was hoping we could pick up on the cheap and he'd fill in for a good 3 and D role. Obviously now he's turning into more than just a role player, but I'm curious as to how much it would take to get him, surely you wouldn't need Giannis or Jabari back?

[Jamaaliver]

I don't disagree at all, we certainly can use some vets, I just don't see any scenario where they trade Giannis or Jabari without getting a perennial all star back (obviously I'm biased in my thinking, but there is no way in my mind that they can trade either imo. They are far from reaching any kind of potential and consistency and it would be brutal from a PR standpoint).

Not to mention that I truly believe they are in it for the long haul and know that it's going to take a little longer than just one year or one "big" FA signing.

Obviously with their talent, they shouldn't be below .500 let alone like 8 games under. However, they also know that they way over achieved last year. No reason they should miss the playoffs this year, but when LED took over they knew they weren't going to be competing for the finals in just two years.

That all said, I don't think they could ever get Teague (especially since we couldn't find PT for the likes of a Horford).

How are you on Bazemore? Idk how willing the Hawks really are to move core players, but most of you on the board here seem to want to blow it up? I assume ATL will want to pay Bazemore, but if you didn't think you would/could what would it take to get him?
Bazemore is a guy that I absolutely loved coming out of college and even when he was riding the pine for GS. One of the few guys I was hoping we could pick up on the cheap and he'd fill in for a good 3 and D role. Obviously now he's turning into more than just a role player, but I'm curious as to how much it would take to get him, surely you wouldn't need Giannis or Jabari back?

Bazemore has certainly turned heads with is play this year. He is undersized and a little green, but he plays hard, smart Hawks basketball and is a genuine diamond in the rough.

MIL does indeed have a bright future. But I predict you'll have to choose at some point between Giannis, Jabari, Khris and whoever you guys draft this year in the first round. At some point, it's not just about talent acquisition...it's about fit. But you're likely years away from having to make that decision.

Blowing it up might be overstating, but we are rapidly approaching a Crossroads as most of our top players become Free Agents in the next 18 months. We have to decide whether to double down with this veteran core or transition to a younger team. Beyond that, there is no consensus among fans which road to follow.

Can't potentially find PT for Horford in MIL? Would you seriously play Greg Monroe ahead of a 3 time All Star center?

[Tfence92]

I don't disagree at all, we certainly can use some vets, I just don't see any scenario where they trade Giannis or Jabari without getting a perennial all star back (obviously I'm biased in my thinking, but there is no way in my mind that they can trade either imo. They are far from reaching any kind of potential and consistency and it would be brutal from a PR standpoint).

Not to mention that I truly believe they are in it for the long haul and know that it's going to take a little longer than just one year or one "big" FA signing.

Obviously with their talent, they shouldn't be below .500 let alone like 8 games under. However, they also know that they way over achieved last year. No reason they should miss the playoffs this year, but when LED took over they knew they weren't going to be competing for the finals in just two years.

That all said, I don't think they could ever get Teague (especially since we couldn't find PT for the likes of a Horford).

How are you on Bazemore? Idk how willing the Hawks really are to move core players, but most of you on the board here seem to want to blow it up? I assume ATL will want to pay Bazemore, but if you didn't think you would/could what would it take to get him?
Bazemore is a guy that I absolutely loved coming out of college and even when he was riding the pine for GS. One of the few guys I was hoping we could pick up on the cheap and he'd fill in for a good 3 and D role. Obviously now he's turning into more than just a role player, but I'm curious as to how much it would take to get him, surely you wouldn't need Giannis or Jabari back?

Bazemore has certainly turned heads with is play this year. He is undersized and a little green, but he plays hard, smart Hawks basketball and is a genuine diamond in the rough.

MIL does indeed have a bright future. But I predict you'll have to choose at some point between Giannis, Jabari, Khris and whoever you guys draft this year in the first round. At some point, it's not just about talent acquisition...it's about fit. But you're likely years away from having to make that decision.

All of them start now, and I don't think it's any issue, and won't be going into the future. Now if you included Bazemore there wouldn't be room for all 4 to start :p

Really tho, I doubt it would ever happen, but I'd love to get him.

Can't potentially find PT for Horford in MIL? Would you seriously play Greg Monroe ahead of a 3 time All Star center?

I hope that's sarcasm? Lol

[Jamaaliver]

All of them start now, and I don't think it's any issue, and won't be going into the future.

How's that working out for you guys this season?


I think you guys might benefit from embracing two of those guys as franchise cornerstones and moving the rest for proven vets to help carry the load.

You guys remind me of the young MIA team back when D Wade, Caron Butler and Lamar Odom were together with the Heat. They had a solid playoff showing in 2004 and looked like a nice core of young talented players.

But the Heat recognized Wade as the best of the bunch, a franchise cornerstone above the others. And Pat Riley took a risk and traded Caron, Lamar and a first round pick to LAL for a 32 year old Shaq at the end of his prime years. They became instant contenders and won a championship in year 2.

I think you guys would better off choosing two young pieces, then combine the rest for a great vet.

Combining Jabari, Monroe and a lottery pick for Chris Paul. That's the kind of deal that could catapult you guys from good young team to contender.

But few GMs are as savvy, bold or insightful as the great Pat Riley...

[Tfence92]

All of them start now, and I don't think it's any issue, and won't be going into the future.

How's that working out for you guys this season?.

Lmao

Stopped reading after this...

[Jamaaliver]

All of them start now, and I don't think it's any issue, and won't be going into the future.

How's that working out for you guys this season?.

Lmao

Stopped reading after this...

Just a prediction. We've seen this movie before...

Best of luck to you guys though. As a small(er) market team, I do root for you guys.

[Tfence92]

How's that working out for you guys this season?.

Lmao

Stopped reading after this...

Just a prediction. We've seen this movie before...

Best of luck to you guys though. As a small market team, I do root for you guys.

Speaking of predictions, that's the only thing that you must be going off of, because even with Monroe us Bucks fans knew we weren't going to win the east this year. Again we should not be anywhere near as bad, but we've also been banged up and start 5 guys under 25. I'd much rather let a core build up ala OKC than trade for an aging star. For every Shaq trade there is a Joe Johnson trade to counter it.

[Jamaaliver]

Speaking of predictions, that's the only thing that you must be going off of, because even with Monroe us Bucks fans knew we weren't going to win the east this year. Again we should not be anywhere near as bad, but we've also been banged up and start 5 guys under 25. I'd much rather let a core build up ala OKC than trade for an aging star. For every Shaq trade there is a Joe Johnson trade to counter it.

Beware of that OKC comparison. They're a small market team that had to gift away a top 20 player for peanuts. And there's a really good chance they lose another in Free Agency in the coming years.


Joe Johnson traded for top young talent? Not sure I follow...The Boston-PHX Trade? The PHX-Atl trade? Or the ATL - BRK trade?

I did not intend to offend....but beware having a ton of young guys in a losing situation, in a small market playing overlapping positions.

Without a true hierarchy, guys either become complacent with losing(Greg Monroe/Brandon Knight/Andre Drummon in Detroit)...or start bumping heads as all the young guys want to be the top dog (Garnett/Marbury in Minnesota or J Kidd/Jamal Mashburn in Dallas).

[Tfence92]

My bad not Joe Johnson, had a brain fart.

Meant the Pierce and KG trade to Boston. JJ trade wasn't nearly as bad lol

Not quite as bad as trading someone with potential, but they are going to be screwed for a couple years cause they mortgaged the future for the next few years. I don't think that with a core of as many sub 25 year Olds there should be any pressure to trade any of them.

KD has put nearly a decade into OKC, he's far from old but I'll happily take Jabari and Giannis for another 6 years!

Also the Harden deal wasn't THAT bad. It looks bad because Harden turned into an elite mvp caliber playmaker. They got Kevin martin who was still a 20 ppg guy at that point (not so much anymore haha), as well as Lamb who was just taken as the 12th pick AND they got another #12 pick (Adams) who is looking to be a starting caliber center in this league.

I also think that the new bucks owners have some willingness to pay some tax, unlike Kohl. Say in three years they are paying Middleton, Giannis and Jabari a combined $55M... is it really going to be that hard to fill in key pieces around them with a cap of almost double that?