Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

[Rich2Hassan]

You have all heard that one of the reasons that the Heat don't need Hassan is that the team actually is better when he's off the court. It's simple to prove this by statistics. A couple of clicks and you get there:



All the other regular Heat players are positive except one:

Spoiler:

Now tell me this, do you *really* think we are a better team when WADE is off the court? I do not. Isn't it possible that simple on/off statistics misses an important aspect of the game? Specifically, the players you play against when you are a starter are also better.

For your consideration.

Excellent post Gom, backed up with data. Sadly, weare in a era where many rely on "stats" and advanced analytics to decide whether not a player is a good fit or is talented. Real basketball minds, not some nerds and video coordinators crunching numbers knows that you win with your best players. Talent trumps all, no doubt about it. That's why i laugh at posters here and writers (skolnick) when they post all these stupid stats saying that we are a better team without Hassan.

[Bishop45]

You have all heard that one of the reasons that the Heat don't need Hassan is that the team actually is better when he's off the court. It's simple to prove this by statistics. A couple of clicks and you get there:

Spoiler:

All the other regular Heat players are positive except one:

Spoiler:

Now tell me this, do you *really* think we are a better team when WADE is off the court? I do not. Isn't it possible that simple on/off statistics misses an important aspect of the game? Specifically, the players you play against when you are a starter are also better.

For your consideration.

They're just not in a good position to be successful. If we get embarrassed this season, bad things are gonna happen (likely)

I wanted to believe in a future where Whiteside/Winslow would develop here the next few years, but we're maxed for a deep playoff run and now have to deal with maybe maxing a 26 year old rookie... luck and low risk moves are all we have in-pocket

[Rocky M5]

My point was, it's easy to post anything and make ish up. He has no sources.

One day you might find a sauce, but for now you will have to stick to whitesides snapchat

Oh ok. Who's your next scapegoat once Hassan is traded? I'm taking bets.

David Fizdale

[gom]

I don't think anyone has argued that we're a better team with Wade off the floor, I'd like to think every Heat fan knows that. We've seen his contributions with his scoring and playmaking and know it's vital to our success.

My ONLY issue with Wade is his super high USG% and his play down the stretch. he shouldn't be trying to shoulder so much responsibility at this stage of his career.

Hassan on the other hand....

My point is what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You can live or die by letting numbers make your decisions. That's what The Signal & the Noise is about. This is NOISE and we're letting it change our opinion.

Yesterday we played a buttock-plunderingly bad game, but we lost because of concentration. Maybe Green & Whiteside have to tighten their focus. Maybe they need to practice instead of going to the movies. Maybe they're not the only ones that have lost focus though. Bosh & Wade seem complacent in these losses. Fix them first.

[KingDavid]

On/off stats when it supports the agenda, I suppose.

[gom]

On/off stats when it supports the agenda, I suppose.

We have a winner. That's exactly what is done.

[Rocky M5]

On/off stats when it supports the agenda, I suppose.

Sklonick and that dumbass on his show are the KINGS of using this stupid f*cking stat then ignoring it.

[Bourne85]

Hassan isn't going anywhere. Relax.

[RexBoyWonder]

"I was setting hard picks and they’re calling me for a foul when I do."

'nother troubling quote, but at least it's being addressed somehow

I actually think that's apart of his problem.

He's avoiding fouls, or trying to avoid, Like he's prime Duncan - like the team will collapse if he gets into foul trouble.

No young fella, play hard at all times and if it results in you limited to 22 minutes due to foul trouble - it's helping them team much more then 34 minutes of you playing soft and carful.

And again, we're back to the hunger for stats and glory.

[orphicwhip]

edit: oops

[Bishop45]

I can't tell if this "Hassan isn't a Heat player" stuff is a display of how soft we've become or were/are w/o Lebron or if there's seriously something going on with Hassan. What the hell does "not a Heat player" mean anyway? That they don't play defense or something?

I've questioned our complacency and toughness since last year when everyone was just disappointed in themselves for all the blown leads and dropped games due to effort. Feels like we can't deal with adversity anymore

[orphicwhip]

I'm not a fan of using one stat to make conclusions, to properly take advantage and draw conclusions from advanced stats or numbers in general they have to be used conjunction with other metrics, be placed in context and sometimes support the eye test.

When I criticize Hassan it goes beyond on/off numbers, it's everything.

[Mos_Heat]

I can't tell if this "Hassan isn't a Heat player" stuff is a display of how soft we've become or were/are w/o Lebron or if there's seriously something going on with Hassan. What the hell does "not a Heat player" mean anyway? That they don't play defense or something?

I've questioned our complacency and toughness since last year when everyone was just disappointed in themselves for all the blown leads and dropped games due to effort. Feels like we can't deal with adversity anymore

Team-first guy, i guess.

[Chalm Down]

I can't tell if this "Hassan isn't a Heat player" stuff is a display of how soft we've become or were/are w/o Lebron or if there's seriously something going on with Hassan. What the hell does "not a Heat player" mean anyway? That they don't play defense or something?

I've questioned our complacency and toughness since last year when everyone was just disappointed in themselves for all the blown leads and dropped games due to effort. Feels like we can't deal with adversity anymore

I get the feeling that when people are saying he's not a Heat player, they mean that he's playing more for himself than for the team.

Agree with your second paragraph.

[RexBoyWonder]

I can't tell if this "Hassan isn't a Heat player" stuff is a display of how soft we've become or were/are w/o Lebron or if there's seriously something going on with Hassan. What the hell does "not a Heat player" mean anyway? That they don't play defense or something?

I've questioned our complacency and toughness since last year when everyone was just disappointed in themselves for all the blown leads and dropped games due to effort. Feels like we can't deal with adversity anymore

I agree we can use more toughness and hunger all around. Mainly Wade and Bosh.

TJ, Dragon, Green, Winslow seem fine in that aspect.

But regarding Whiteside I believe they mean -

Help the team look good, don't make yourself look good at the expanse of the team.
Don't focus on your minutes, points, NBA2K rating
Be coachable, listen, learn
don't pout, don't get uninterested when you're benched
Don't clown so much
Don't get lazy if you don't get the ball on offense
Don't force the issue when triple teamed
Don't give up position to the opposing Center because you want to go for the block
Focus on the "dirty" work - set good screens, fight for lose balls, you're not a finesse player

[Bishop45]

"I was setting hard picks and they’re calling me for a foul when I do."

'nother troubling quote, but at least it's being addressed somehow

I actually think that's apart of his problem.

He's avoiding fouls, or trying to avoid, Like he's prime Duncan - like the team will collapse if he gets into foul trouble.

No young fella, play hard at all times and if it results in you limited to 22 minutes due to foul trouble - it's helping them team much more then 34 minutes of you playing soft and carful.

And again, we're back to the hunger for stats and glory.

I can't tell if it's being selfish or just trying to stay in the game. Foul trouble is never good, doesn't seem like something we can point to and say something about

The blocks and not playing defense is another, I'm interested in hearing where the disconnection is... effort/refusing to listen or adjust

[Bishop45]

Agreed on all the responses above, I fear that some of the selfish play are old habits from overseas/dleague that's hard to shake, even worse if he's doing it for his contract.

[3ballbomber]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JasonLieser/status/687529181064724480[/tweet]<br abp="1769"><br abp="1770">Yet again more criticism for Hassan. First it was Wade now Bosh.

I thought Bosh's defense was a bigger problem against the Clips that Hassan's was. I mean, most of the buckets that Aldrich had when Hassan was on, you would at least see #21 in the frame trying to make a play. But I swear, every time Aldrich was around the basket when Hassan was off, you could not even find CB on screen .. I guess dude was getting picked off like crazy .. what was his excuse?

This is why our leaders are failing their team right now. They are without sin but are trashing players to the media. I understand Hassan has attitude issues but it doesn't bode well when everybody is making mistakes but it's ok to criticize other players publicly because you're name is Bosh & Wade.

[Rich2Hassan]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JasonLieser/status/687529181064724480[/tweet]<br abp="1769"><br abp="1770">Yet again more criticism for Hassan. First it was Wade now Bosh.

I thought Bosh's defense was a bigger problem against the Clips that Hassan's was. I mean, most of the buckets that Aldrich had when Hassan was on, you would at least see #21 in the frame trying to make a play. But I swear, every time Aldrich was around the basket when Hassan was off, you could not even find CB on screen .. I guess dude was getting picked off like crazy .. what was his excuse?

This is why our leaders are failing their team right now. They are without sin but are trashing players to the media. I understand Hassan has attitude issues but it doesn't bode well when everybody is making mistakes but it's ok to criticize other players publicly because you're name is Bosh & Wade.

+1 3b..."People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones", i've said that plenty of times. Wade & Bosh act as if their play has been stellar. Bosh we will never forget last season before the clots.

[3ballbomber]

I don't think anyone has argued that we're a better team with Wade off the floor, I'd like to think every Heat fan knows that. We've seen his contributions with his scoring and playmaking and know it's vital to our success.

My ONLY issue with Wade is his super high USG% and his play down the stretch. he shouldn't be trying to shoulder so much responsibility at this stage of his career.

Hassan on the other hand....

My point is what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You can live or die by letting numbers make your decisions. That's what The Signal & the Noise is about. This is NOISE and we're letting it change our opinion.

Yesterday we played a buttock-plunderingly bad game, but we lost because of concentration. Maybe Green & Whiteside have to tighten their focus. Maybe they need to practice instead of going to the movies. Maybe they're not the only ones that have lost focus though. Bosh & Wade seem complacent in these losses.Fix them first.

I believe the answer lies here. Insert Spo also.