Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

[BoomBap]

i hope we get simmons or ingram. I don' even care anymore. Just give us some great talent.

[JordanianSixers]

Simmons is highly overrated.. he is good but he is not great, he is not Lebron nor Magic

Why do not you say that Simmons is another Igoudala?

While Ingram can shoot which is what the league is all about now ..

[Unbreakable99]

Simmons is highly overrated.. he is good but he is not great, he is not Lebron nor Magic

Why do not you say that Simmons is another Igoudala?

While Ingram can shoot which is what the league is all about now ..

I wish people would stop saying Simmons isn't LeBron or Magic or something like that. He isn't but not being them doesn't mean he's not a generational talent or a great prospect. He has all the tools to be a superstar. Who is LeBron? There is only one LeBron. Simmons comes very close though. Simmons can pretty much run point. How many 6'10 guys can do that? No he can't shoot but that doesn't mean he can't be a generational talent or one of the best prospects in the last decade. Magic couldn't shoot coming into the NBA. LeBron couldn't shoot. That didn't hold them back from greatness.

[Renegade_H]

I'm on the Ingram train. I get the lovefest for Simmons but I would love to have a KD on this team with Embiid and Saric running transition.

If we do get #1, we can always trade with #2 if they covet Simmons. What kind of price do you put on "Generational" talent? I bet it'd be pretty high.

[Imdatboul11]

Defense – Ingram
Length – Ingram
Reach – Ingram
Vert – Ingram
Shot – Ingram
Age – Ingram is a year and 2 months younger
Height – Simmons
Strength – Simmons
Rebounding – Simmons
Passing – Simmons
Overall Handle – Simmons
Breakdown Handle – Ingram
Unstoppable Scorer Potential – Ingram by far

Simmons might not be full blown overrated but he is def overrated some. What I do know is that Ingram is majorly underrated. Who is the last wing at Ingram’s age, who had that combination of length, hops, agility, precise jumper, handles, AND could be a lockdown defender. Not to mention the guy isn’t even done growing and will get stronger. ESPN has really conditioned some peoples mind on Ben Simmons.

You don’t know Lebron if you think Simmons is anywhere near as athletic as him. Not to mention LBJ had a better shot at this time and was dropping 20 a night in the NBA while Simmons is in college. What go-to or unstoppable moves does Simmons have? Just try to bully people and throw up a wild shot? Sorry but that’s not gonna cut it in the NBA. Any smart defender knows to sag off Simons. It will look terrible when he bricks jumpers then tries to run into a crammed paint and have to throw up a shot against guys like Davis, Gobert, Jordan, Noel, Ibaka, and so many other great rim protectors. If Jah can’t rely on bullying people every play in the NBA, Simmons sure as hell can’t. The difference is Jah has so many moves and counter moves and handles for a big man that it isn’t even funny.Not to mention his soft touch. Jah is the most offensively talented big for his age I have ever seen. Jah > Simmons all day.

Ingram has plenty unstoppable moves thanks to his footwork, length, and great jumper. I am telling you Ingram is the way to go. Simmons is basically a taller, stronger, worse shooting MCW with less hops. I am telling you Simmons is not the answer. He can be one of the best "Robins" or whatever but he is not the answer. A better passing mike beasley is not the answer. You don’t build teams around Draymond Green and I don’t know if he’ll even be as good as Green. The future is safe with Ingram, Murray, Embiid, Okafor, Saric, Noel, Grant, and Ish.

[PhilasFinest]

I'm on the Ingram train. I get the lovefest for Simmons but I would love to have a KD on this team with Embiid and Saric running transition.

If we do get #1, we can always trade with #2 if they covet Simmons. What kind of price do you put on "Generational" talent? I bet it'd be pretty high.

Why the hell would you trade a "Generational Talent" away???

[Ericb5]

I'm on the Ingram train. I get the lovefest for Simmons but I would love to have a KD on this team with Embiid and Saric running transition.

If we do get #1, we can always trade with #2 if they covet Simmons. What kind of price do you put on "Generational" talent? I bet it'd be pretty high.

Why the hell would you trade a "Generational Talent" away???

I get so confused by people wanting to make trades by sending away the better talent for a combination of lesser talent. The same thing happens in all of these Okafor ideas. You can do that by trading non stars for a chance at obtaining stars, but trading pieces with star level talent for a combination of lesser assets is what teams do when they have their hands forced by the players involved. You never do it willingly.

Aren't we all watching the same sport? Only 5 players are on the floor for your team at any given time, and the teams with the best players tend to win the most games.

There is absolutely ZERO reason to trade Simmons for anything. Further, it shows a complete lack of understanding of Hinkie's thinking. He talks all the time about how teams have to acquire the best talent. If, by some miracle, we get the first pick in the draft we aren't trading Simmons for anything in the league unless one of the teams with the top 5 players suddenly have a major brain fart.

The only reason to trade someone like Simmons or Okafor is if they are at the end of their contracts and have told you that they aren't going to resign with you(Kevin Love situation), or they conflict on your roster with a better player. Other than those two unfortunate events, you don't even think of doing that ever.

The last two number 1 picks to be traded before their rookie seasons were Chris Webber and Andrew Wiggins.

Webber conflicted with a better player in Shaq, and they still got Penny Hardaway and 3 unprotected first round picks for him. Andrew Wiggins was traded for another star player in his prime to accommodate the best player in the world in HIS prime that was coming back to their team.

As far as I am concerned, if we win the lottery, Hinkie should say that day that Simmons is coming to Philly and then just shut his phone off.

[snoopdogg88]

my best comparison would be the #1 pick is potentially Magic Johnson. The #2 pick is potentially George Gervin.

now I love The Iceman and he's an incredible player, but are you seriously going to pass on/trade Magic Johnson for anyone?!

I know thats an extreme example, but do you understand what I'm trying to get at? Simmons the only pick at 1. the only pick.

[Imdatboul11]

my best comparison would be the #1 pick is potentially Magic Johnson. The #2 pick is potentially George Gervin.

now I love The Iceman and he's an incredible player, but are you seriously going to pass on/trade Magic Johnson for anyone?!

I know thats an extreme example, but do you understand what I'm trying to get at? Simmons the only pick at 1. the only pick.

You really think Simmons is anywhere near the passer of Magic? Wow. The hype is real

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I'll just be happy with some more talent. I do think it comes down to either Simmons, or Ingram. However I don't think this is a two horse race in this draft. I think Kris Dunn may possibly be the third player off the board on draft night.

[cksdayoff]

is a 6'10 Iguodala a generational talent?

[Mik317]

so are people just ignoring the fact that Ingram went MIA in the second half last night?

no?

ok.

[Ericb5]

my best comparison would be the #1 pick is potentially Magic Johnson. The #2 pick is potentially George Gervin.

now I love The Iceman and he's an incredible player, but are you seriously going to pass on/trade Magic Johnson for anyone?!

I know thats an extreme example, but do you understand what I'm trying to get at? Simmons the only pick at 1. the only pick.

You really think Simmons is anywhere near the passer of Magic? Wow. The hype is real

He is at least "near" the passer that Magic was in the sense that they are both rated at just degrees of elite 10 out of 10 passers.

However, they play different positions. He is at least 2 or 3 inches taller than Magic. History lists Magic as a 6'9 PG, but he was really 6'7 in shoes. He is a different kind of player.

The real point is that those of us that believe in Simmons, which lets not forget is most of the basketball world, believe him to be a generational talent. Where he caps out could be anywhere from an all star on the low end to a HOF on the high end.

Prospects like him do not come around very often, whereas prospects like Ingram are fairly typical top 3 pick level talents. I love Ingram, but you can get guys like him in the top 2 or 3 of most drafts, whereas Simmons' you can't.

It is very easy for anyone to laugh at comparisons of college freshmen to all time greats, but all time greats DO keep coming into the league every 5-10 years. So sometimes it is a fair thing to bring up the names.

Embiid certainly COULD be a Hakeem. That isn't he same thing as saying that he will be. Simmons certainly COULD be someone like a young Grant Hill, or Lebron. I don't see why that isn't possible.

Some years there is a legitimate debate as to who the best prospect is. Even last year it only became settled on Towns late in the year. This year is one of those years, like 2003, or 2007, where everyone knows who the team that wins the lottery is going to take.

In 2003 it paid off with Lebron. In 2007 it didn't with Oden. Who knows how it will play out with Simmons, by he will be the pick.





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[Ericb5]

is a 6'10 Iguodala a generational talent?

Obviously not, but that isn't even close to what Simmons is. His two biggest strengths, which are at truly elite levels, are his feel for the game, and his passing.

Iggy is very average in both of those areas. Iggy doesn't make ANYONE better, let alone EVERYONE.








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[freshie2]

A 6'10" iguodala is actually would be a generational prospect

[youngcrev]

A 6'10" iguodala is actually would be a generational prospect

At the very least a 6'10" Iguodala would be the best player we've drafted since '96... (assuming taller = better)

[UptownPhilly]

Ingram. 40% 3 pt shooter with an all around good offensive game would come in and help take a lot of pressure off of Jah immediately.


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[Mik317]

a 6'10 Iggy would be awesome.

He'd finish a hell of a lot better than Iggy for one thing lol. Simmons also has a super quick first step...also crazy for a dude his size.

[eagereyez]

To me the most important point in the Simmons/Ingram debate is that Ingram is more than a full year younger than Simmons. He just turned 18 about 4 months ago. That means Ingram is basically a high school senior stomping on college competition.

[freshie2]

Not the worst case scenario, but if they drop to 2, the Lakers pick doesn't land @ 4. How much better is this team with a draft of Ingram, Valentine, and , and Luwawu...maybe Gary Payton in round 2??

Would love to see Simmons, Dunn, Hield, and Valentine, but that is probably being a bit greedy.