Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

orphicwhip · Post #841 » by **orphicwhip** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:55 am

N82WILL wrote:
orphicwhip wrote:
N82WILL wrote:Glad some of you are coming around and seeing that Skolnick obviously has an agenda towards Hassan. I been calling him out on his BS, for a few weeks now. I've never seen beat writers of other teams dogpile on a player as much as Ethan does on Whiteside. This is a time where all of us fans come together and support Hassan and hope gets better.

nah im straight.

but it looks like you have an agenda of your own lmao

My agenda is to hope the best center this team has had in a long time "gets it" everyone benefits from it. Sorry i am not a blatant hater like you. I actually want this team to succeed, do you?

I do, but me wishing upon a falling star in hopes that WHiteside stops being the player he has been that's bounced around leagues from Lebanon to China isn't going to help.

Tony15 · Post #842 » by **Tony15** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:05 am

Maybe if Hassan actually stayed in front of his man and at least held Robin Lopez and Cole ****ing Aldrich to their averages at the most, passed the ball, and had the right attitude, he wouldn't be getting blasted this much. Ethan pointing out the facts isn't "hating". The facts are what they are. Hell, I'll do it. That doesn't mean I don't want this team to succeed. Hassan could end all of this by playing better. Period.

Post #843 » by **QUIZ** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:15 am

Tony15 wrote:Maybe if Hassan actually stayed in front of his man and at least held Robin Lopez and Cole ****ing Aldrich to their averages at the most, passed the ball, and had the right attitude, he wouldn't be getting blasted this much. Ethan pointing out the facts isn't "hating". The facts are what they are. Hell, I'll do it. That doesn't mean I don't want this team to succeed. Hassan could end all of this by playing better. Period.

He's been made out to be a scapegoat even on nights where he clearly wasn't the problem. As gom alluded to if Whiteside was a -27 vs the Clippers and Bosh was a -3 you'd hear every one of our beat writers bringing that up but that wasn't the case. Whiteside was -3 and Bosh was -27 yet no mention of that, instead we get out of context tweets trying to stir the pot and make it seem as if Wade and Bosh are calling out Hassan when in reality they were talking about everyone including themselves saying that they all had to do better.

insfo · Post #844 » by **insfo** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:16 am

btw, for everyone blaming Bosh & Wade for calling out specific team mates, it was only Bosh that mentioned Hassan and called him out. Wade did not and the writers are taking his spat with Green on that fast break as "evidence" that he's tired of him. Wade comments were all at the team in general and he did not single any player out.

insfo · Post #845 » by **insfo** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:17 am

QUIZ wrote:
Tony15 wrote:Maybe if Hassan actually stayed in front of his man and at least held Robin Lopez and Cole ****ing Aldrich to their averages at the most, passed the ball, and had the right attitude, he wouldn't be getting blasted this much. Ethan pointing out the facts isn't "hating". The facts are what they are. Hell, I'll do it. That doesn't mean I don't want this team to succeed. Hassan could end all of this by playing better. Period.

He's been made out to be a scapegoat even on nights where he clearly wasn't the problem. As gom alluded to if Whiteside was a -27 vs the Clippers and Bosh was a -3 you'd hear every one of our beat writers bringing that up but that wasn't the case. Whiteside was -3 and Bosh was -27 yet no mention of that, instead we get out of context tweets trying to stir the pot and make it seem as if Wade and Bosh are calling out Hassan when in reality they were talking about everyone including themselves saying that they all had to do better.

Actually Mr -27 did call out Hassan :lol:

gom · Post #846 » by **gom** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:19 am

insfo wrote:btw, for everyone blaming Bosh & Wade for calling out specific team mates, it was only Bosh that mentioned Hassan and called him out. Wade did not and the writers are taking his spat with Green on that fast break as "evidence" that he's tired of him. Wade comments were all at the team in general and he did not single any player out.

The gist of the media's comments is that they have access to other off-the-record conversation. There is always this "insider" air to their message. That's what gives them power.

I've done some more off-season cap calculations, but they are applicable to all the team's choices, including Whiteside, so I'll post it there. The happy news is that if we can get Wade to sign a 3/45 contract (that seems reasonable to me, even given his play this year), we have plenty of money, and that's without dumping McRoberts, Stokes, or Richardson - not enough for Kevin Durant (but I already explained how unlikely that is).

puppa bear · Post #847 » by **puppa bear** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:21 am

Chalm Down wrote:
gom wrote:
Chalm Down wrote:While I do think Hassan has become the flavor of the week in terms of placing blame (I mean seriously, EVERYONE was to blame last night), I don't think any of the points that the media have brought up about him are necessarily untrue.

Let's hope whatever issues that exist can be resolved. GoodSide makes the Heat a better team. BadSide doesn't.

I don't hear a lot of +/- talk about last night's game. Funny, isn't it? I mean if Hassan was -15, I'm sure we'd be hearing about it. Did anyone check how it went for our team last night? I did. Here are the results:

Man, look at that Hassan Whiteside! -3!!! WTF, Hassan? Why can't you be like Bosh? Oops. -24? That's weird. How did Wade do? -9. Hmmmm...

We should probably just stop looking at this +/- since it doesn't fit the agenda.

Incidentally, I'm not defending Hassan's game. He played a crappy game. 5 Turnovers is crap. Absolutely crap. Other players should look to their own before opening up their mouths though.

I agree. It's a bad look to call out your teammates. That's why it's so weird to me that Bosh/Wade would do it. They didn't even talk about Rio like that lol.

I find this a really interesting thing. Rio was the little brother that they ripped on relentlessly during games, but they never went public with anything.
So why all of a sudden are they doing to Whiteside? Is it different off-court relationship? Personalities?

Post #848 » by **QUIZ** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:24 am

puppa bear wrote:I find this a really interesting thing. Rio was the little brother that they ripped on relentlessly during games, but they never went public with anything.
So why all of a sudden are they doing to Whiteside? Is it different off-court relationship? Personalities?

Rio was a role player who was making $4mill and Hassan is a few months away from making as much as Bosh? :dontknow:

Maybe that plays into it? IDK It's weird. I think that all of Hsssan's issues have been because of his own shortcomings not because of lack of effort.

Post #849 » by **QUIZ** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:30 am

Never forget :wordyo:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4Eiq7K6pl8[/youtube]

Spoiler:

Post #850 » by **QUIZ** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:38 am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH9SWg34sL4[/youtube]

Guarded both the passer and the finisher of the lob on the same damn play.

orphicwhip · Post #851 » by **orphicwhip** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:28 am

Not sure why so many posters are so concerned with the media's outlook on Hassan. I could care less, I'm speaking from the fan's perspective and Whiteside's deficiencies are more than concerning at this point.

Hoops23 · Post #852 » by **Hoops23** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:46 am

This plus & minus stats are over stated!

Obviously, Bosh is on the playing court more than Whiteside when the Clippers are bringing it.
Birdman, Haslem and Richarson have positive stats, but if your the coach, are you going to play them more than Bosh???

orphicwhip wrote:Not sure why so many posters are so concerned with the media's outlook on Hassan. I could care less, I'm speaking from the fan's perspective and Whiteside's deficiencies are more than concerning at this point.

I dont think majority of the posters here are concerned with the media's outlook on Hassan. I think their more concern about the team, who's on a losing streak, and they just want Whiteside to perform better. Who can blame them, when they know and believe Whiteside can do better as what he shown last season and early this season??

It should be team effort, all players should contribute. Heat needs Whiteside to be there with Wade and Bosh, especially if they view Hassan as part of the Heat's future..

Slot Machine · Post #853 » by **Slot Machine** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:38 am

Amusing to see how much the media narrative influences what/how people think on here and their viewpoints.

RexBoyWonder · Post #854 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:18 am

HeatWillRise wrote:I kinda hope Hassan leaves and dominates on the next team he's with who actually gets the ball in his hands aside from Wade lob's. Then tears us a new one when we meet.

What, like we didn't suffer enough these last couple of years? :crazy:

RexBoyWonder · Post #855 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:38 am

1. +- is a useless stat when you narrow it to 1 game. It has some merit on the long term.

2. Wade pulling on Hassan Jersey and yelling at him is a big tell, weather we like it or not.

3. Bosh talking about Violins is also telling. He's not doing it "for clicks".

4. Ethan is a professional sports writer, and a smart guy. Do you really believe he's looking for ways "to hate on" Hassan? what, Did Hassan steal his girlfriend? get real. Ethan is simply conveying the vibes he's getting from around the team.

5. Israel Gutierrez is on record saying Wade and Hassan had some sort of conflict a while back too, these guy aren't making stuff up.

6. We shouldn't even care about "The media" and their take on Hassan. What I care about is what I'm seeing on the court. And that's enough to get me worried about giving him 100 Mil$.

7. I trust Pat to fix it and guide Hassan if the situation is fixable. And to trade him if he's a lost cause. None of us has a real way of knowing which one is it.

8. None of this would have happened in the booty days. Oh how I miss'em.
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Tony15 · Post #856 » by **Tony15** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:29 am

Slot Machine wrote:Amusing to see how much the media narrative influences what/how people think on here and their viewpoints.

What's amusing about it? We rely on the media to convey the storylines and other details regarding our teams. Fans don't have the access, so none of this should be a shock. Without them, you wouldn't know a thing. What's most amusing to me is how quickly people jump to the conclusion that Ethan's commentary, all "facts" by the way, are agenda driven, as if he has no idea about the good Hassan can do. He's a credible journalist. Hassan's negatives have severely outweighed his positives. Until that reverses, this continues.....

Also, Ethan's gone out of his way to point out that Wade & Bosh's collective frustration have somewhat bled into their own play, so.....yeah. Not sure what else you guys want.

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RexBoyWonder · Post #857 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:30 pm

I guess Ira is also hating for no reason.

Q: This team looks beat down at the moment, and I've been saying it since Game 1: trade Hassan Whiteside or make a plan to do so. -- Bryan.

A: For the first time since such suggestions have been raised, I do believe there is a frustration within the locker room that could feed into the possibility. But remember, Whiteside, alone, has limited lure, with no Bird Rights accompanying him. And with his minimum salary, significant money likely would have to be included to balance a deal. Plus, if Chris Bosh is shifted to center then you might have to hold on to Luol Deng as your only logical replacement for Bosh at power forward. It's not as simply as simply being about Hassan and whether he fits the Heat fabric

CanesHeatFins · Post #858 » by **CanesHeatFins** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:55 pm

A couple of things: working outside in the rain so bear with me

It takes a special kind of staff to screw up the development of two already developed special talents in Whiteside and Beasley. It's like they got worse every week under this staff.

Never seen a player so criticized for rotating to a driving opponent while taking the fall for someone else failing miserably to rotate to his man. When he doesn't come over, his teammates look at him like wtf didn't u block that, and called out by Spo for "not trusting his help". Then numbnut fans blame Whitey when scrubs like Aldrich go off, when he makes his proper help rotation. The next time u guys wanna accuse Hassan of chasing blocks/stats when he rotates over, ask yourself, when has a Spo headless chicken defense EVER not demanded immediate help from a penetrating player?

Said it last season and I'll say it again. Too many expiring contracts creates mercenary team that doesn't play as a unit.

Hassan is the elephant in the room that is potentially stopping everyone's big pay day. Which is why even scrubs like cole Aldrich get twice the touches from teammates in the same amount of pt.

The team wants Hassan to be ok with 6 shots, get rebounds, and get blocks and he aint buying it. He's being blackballed by his teammates and he's turned very bitter because of it.

Post #859 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:28 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:1. +- is a useless stat when you narrow it to 1 game. It has some merit on the long term.

2. Wade pulling on Hassan Jersey and yelling at him is a big tell, weather we like it or not.

3. Bosh talking about Violins is also telling. He's not doing it "for clicks".

4. Ethan is a professional sports writer, and a smart guy. Do you really believe he's looking for ways "to hate on" Hassan? what, Did Hassan steal his girlfriend? get real. Ethan is simply conveying the vibes he's getting from around the team.

5. Israel Gutierrez is on record saying Wade and Hassan had some sort of conflict a while back too, these guy aren't making stuff up.

6. We shouldn't even care about "The media" and their take on Hassan. What I care about is what I'm seeing on the court. And that's enough to get me worried about giving him 100 Mil$.

7. I trust Pat to fix it and guide Hassan if the situation is fixable. And to trade him if he's a lost cause. None of us has a real way of knowing which one is it.

8. None of this would have happened in the booty days. Oh how I miss'em.
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Fantastic post RBW. No doubt Number #8 can not be denied.

Rich2Hassan · Post #860 » by **Rich2Hassan** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:29 pm

CanesHeatFins wrote:A couple of things: working outside in the rain so bear with me

It takes a special kind of staff to screw up the development of two already developed special talents in Whiteside and Beasley. It's like they got worse every week under this staff.

Never seen a player so criticized for rotating to a driving opponent while taking the fall for someone else failing miserably to rotate to his man. When he doesn't come over, his teammates look at him like wtf didn't u block that, and called out by Spo for "not trusting his help". Then numbnut fans blame Whitey when scrubs like Aldrich go off, when he makes his proper help rotation. The next time u guys wanna accuse Hassan of chasing blocks/stats when he rotates over, ask yourself, when has a Spo headless chicken defense EVER not demanded immediate help from a penetrating player?

Said it last season and I'll say it again. Too many expiring contracts creates mercenary team that doesn't play as a unit.

Hassan is the elephant in the room that is potentially stopping everyone's big pay day. Which is why even scrubs like cole Aldrich get twice the touches from teammates in the same amount of pt.

The team wants Hassan to be ok with 6 shots, get rebounds, and get blocks and he aint buying it. He's being blackballed by his teammates and he's turned very bitter because of it.

True, very true. But only a few posters on here will understand this post.