2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

Mik317 · Post #1201 » by **Mik317** » Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:17 am

George is awesome. Worth noting tho that he is under contract for 3 more years whereas either drafted guy would be under contract and under wraps for 5-7 years. George requires us to get really really good ASAP or else he bails

Embiid P · Post #1202 » by **Embiid P** » Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:37 am

The thing about acquiring George is that if we do, it means we are trying to win now and we'd have to either trade for another star (Cousins) or sign one in FA (KD perhaps?) to complement him.

If we kept the current roster intact with George, we'd probably need to wait another 2-3 years for our young guys to develop which is essentially 2-3 more wasted years of PG's prime. Moreover assuming he even comes here, could KD and PG co-exist since both are ball dominant and play the same position?

Realistically you have about a 3-5 year window to compete for a title when you acquire stars in their primes. Think Boston from 07-12 and Miami from 10-14. Even with PG and KD/Cousins are we still good enough to beat the likes of GS and SA (they'll still be legit when Duncan and company retire IMO) in the Finals? I have my doubts.

Basically if we take our shot and miss, we'll be right back to where are now. So if I had to choose, I'd rather stay the course and let our young assets develop so that we'll have an 8-10 year window to be competitive as opposed to a 3-5 year window if we acquired PG and KD or DC. Now if we miss out on a top 2 pick in the lotto again, I might change my tune since this is likely to be the last year of the tank regardless.

Ericb5 · Post #1203 » by **Ericb5** » Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:36 pm

Mik317 wrote:George is awesome. Worth noting tho that he is under contract for 3 more years whereas either drafted guy would be under contract and under wraps for 5-7 years. George requires us to get really really good ASAP or else he bails

Yeah, thinking about it more, I probably would trade number 2 for George straight up.

He is a legit star, and is young.

I don't see why the Pacers would want to trade him though.

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snoopdogg88 · Post #1204 » by **snoopdogg88** » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:29 pm

Mik317 wrote:George is awesome. Worth noting tho that he is under contract for 3 more years whereas either drafted guy would be under contract and under wraps for 5-7 years. George requires us to get really really good ASAP or else he bails

if a team with Paul George, Jahlil Okafor, Joel Embiid, Nerlens Noel, Dario Saric (or some similar combination) can't get us a really good team in 1-3 years, then we have bigger issues

Unbreakable99 · Post #1205 » by **Unbreakable99** » Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:56 pm

snoopdogg88 wrote:
Mik317 wrote:George is awesome. Worth noting tho that he is under contract for 3 more years whereas either drafted guy would be under contract and under wraps for 5-7 years. George requires us to get really really good ASAP or else he bails

if a team with Paul George, Jahlil Okafor, Joel Embiid, Nerlens Noel, Dario Saric (or some similar combination) can't get us a really good team in 1-3 years, then we have bigger issues

So would you trade the number one pick (Simmons) for George?

snoopdogg88 · Post #1206 » by **snoopdogg88** » Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:04 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
snoopdogg88 wrote:
Mik317 wrote:George is awesome. Worth noting tho that he is under contract for 3 more years whereas either drafted guy would be under contract and under wraps for 5-7 years. George requires us to get really really good ASAP or else he bails

if a team with Paul George, Jahlil Okafor, Joel Embiid, Nerlens Noel, Dario Saric (or some similar combination) can't get us a really good team in 1-3 years, then we have bigger issues

So would you trade the number one pick (Simmons) for George?

I wouldn't. Simmons has a ridiculously high ceiling. The Magic/LeBron comparisons are too juicy for me to ignore.

Embiid P · Post #1207 » by **Embiid P** » Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:12 pm

snoopdogg88 wrote:
Mik317 wrote:George is awesome. Worth noting tho that he is under contract for 3 more years whereas either drafted guy would be under contract and under wraps for 5-7 years. George requires us to get really really good ASAP or else he bails

if a team with Paul George, Jahlil Okafor, Joel Embiid, Nerlens Noel, Dario Saric (or some similar combination) can't get us a really good team in 1-3 years, then we have bigger issues

That's why I'm meh on trading for George. Yes, he's still relatively young by NBA standards, but he's old in comparison to our core, all of which will require another 2-3 years at least to reach their potential especially Embiid.

So if we trade for George, we have to trade our young guys and picks for other proven stars to complement him which shortens our window of contention by about 3-4 years.

snoopdogg88 · Post #1208 » by **snoopdogg88** » Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:35 pm

Nerlens, Joel. and Dario are only 4 years younger than PG

those 3 actually aren't super young by nba standards come next season.

Embiid P · Post #1209 » by **Embiid P** » Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:42 pm

snoopdogg88 wrote:Nerlens, Joel. and Dario are only 4 years younger than PG

those 3 actually aren't super young by nba standards come next season.

True but I'm talking about NBA experience more than actual age. Remember Noel missed his entire rookie season, Embiid has missed his first two seasons and Saric has played in Europe for his first two seasons. This is George's sixth year in the league (well technically 5th since he missed most of last season) so we'd have to surround him with other stars who are in the same ballpark in terms of NBA experience.

iMoreland · Post #1210 » by **iMoreland** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:50 pm

What's everyone's current big board?

Mik317 · Post #1211 » by **Mik317** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:58 pm

Nerlens No Ls wrote:What's everyone's current big board?

1. Simmons
2. Ingram
3. Dunn
4. Brown
5.Drink Bleach

ProcessDoctor · Post #1212 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:39 pm

In regards to George-#1 pick trade, no way I'd do it. George-Okafor trade? I'm all ears.

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King_Supreme · Post #1213 » by **King_Supreme** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:35 am

Mik317 wrote:
Nerlens No Ls wrote:What's everyone's current big board?

1. Simmons
2. Ingram
3. Dunn
4. Brown
5.Drink Bleach

PhilasFinest · Post #1214 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:26 am

1.Simmons
2.Ingram
3.Dunn
4.Murray (total toss up tho IMO)

I see no need for most of the bigs projected in the 4-5 range. Unless we were to make a move involving Noel/Okafor prior to draft.

Jaylen Brown seems to be the consensus 3/4, and I can see the physical/athletic tools that could draw a team to him but I'm not sure I see it. Maybe he can improve his jump shot and become a high level wing but I'm not 100% sold.

Jamal Murray may be a tweener, but I think he could at least be a pretty legit perimeter scoring combo guard at the next level. Id take that on our team if we somehow ended up with the 5th pick. Watching CJ McCollum explode this year would give me hope for Murray.Could possibly argue his skill set would fit our needs more than someone like Dunn.

I love Denzel Valentine. He may lack the youth/upside people tend to try and project, but the kids well coached by Izzo who has a knack for producing hard nosed, savvy all around players. Valentine has a diverse game that could thrive in a Spurs/Hawks setting where do a little bit of everything.

Same with Buddy Hield. Kid is slightly undersized, but he's got a decent wingspan and can flat out score the ball.

Really an odd draft, as there are a few young bigs ranked in the top 10 that we simply don't really have a need for as is. We need wings or a point guard. Really hope we luck out and land in the top 2.

Negrodamus · Post #1215 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:34 am

PhilasFinest wrote:1.Simmons
2.Ingram
3.Dunn
4.Murray (total toss up tho IMO)

I see no need for most of the bigs projected in the 4-5 range. Unless we were to make a move involving Noel/Okafor prior to draft.

Jaylen Brown seems to be the consensus 3/4, and I can see the physical/athletic tools that could draw a team to him but I'm not sure I see it. Maybe he can improve his jump shot and become a high level wing but I'm not 100% sold.

Jamal Murray may be a tweener, but I think he could at least be a pretty legit perimeter scoring combo guard at the next level. Id take that on our team if we somehow ended up with the 5th pick. Watching CJ McCollum explode this year would give me hope for Murray.Could possibly argue his skill set would fit our needs more than someone like Dunn.

I love Denzel Valentine. He may lack the youth/upside people tend to try and project, but the kids well coached by Izzo who has a knack for producing hard nosed, savvy all around players. Valentine has a diverse game that could thrive in a Spurs/Hawks setting where do a little bit of everything.

Same with Buddy Hield. Kid is slightly undersized, but he's got a decent wingspan and can flat out score the ball.

Really an odd draft, as there are a few young bigs ranked in the top 10 that we simply don't really have a need for as is. We need wings or a point guard. Really hope we luck out and land in the top 2.

This. I see these guys as the can't miss prospects. Valentine would be a huge pickup also.

lotto29 · Post #1216 » by **lotto29** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:26 am

PhilasFinest wrote:1.Simmons
2.Ingram
3.Dunn
4.Murray (total toss up tho IMO)

I see no need for most of the bigs projected in the 4-5 range. Unless we were to make a move involving Noel/Okafor prior to draft.

Jaylen Brown seems to be the consensus 3/4, and I can see the physical/athletic tools that could draw a team to him but I'm not sure I see it. Maybe he can improve his jump shot and become a high level wing but I'm not 100% sold.

Jamal Murray may be a tweener, but I think he could at least be a pretty legit perimeter scoring combo guard at the next level. Id take that on our team if we somehow ended up with the 5th pick. Watching CJ McCollum explode this year would give me hope for Murray.Could possibly argue his skill set would fit our needs more than someone like Dunn.

I love Denzel Valentine. He may lack the youth/upside people tend to try and project, but the kids well coached by Izzo who has a knack for producing hard nosed, savvy all around players. Valentine has a diverse game that could thrive in a Spurs/Hawks setting where do a little bit of everything.

Same with Buddy Hield. Kid is slightly undersized, but he's got a decent wingspan and can flat out score the ball.

Really an odd draft, as there are a few young bigs ranked in the top 10 that we simply don't really have a need for as is. We need wings or a point guard. Really hope we luck out and land in the top 2.

I really like valentine. He could be the green/diaw type of player here. Stack that with Saric having the same or better odds of achieving that and we have a very valuable piece. That type of player is needed on today's nba.

No-Man · Post #1217 » by **No-Man** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:21 pm

Nerlens No Ls wrote:What's everyone's current big board?

Brandon Ingram
Ben Simmons
Dragan Bender
Kris Dunn
Ivan Rabb

Difficult after those 5, Poeltl is the most solid probably, and then it is open.

The top5 is crystal clear to me.

Getting Ingram and Dunn remains best case scenario for Phila.

No-Man · Post #1218 » by **No-Man** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:24 pm

PhilasFinest wrote:
Jamal Murray may be a tweener, but I think he could at least be a pretty legit perimeter scoring combo guard at the next level. Id take that on our team if we somehow ended up with the 5th pick. Watching CJ McCollum explode this year would give me hope for Murray.Could possibly argue his skill set would fit our needs more than someone like Dunn.

I love Denzel Valentine. He may lack the youth/upside people tend to try and project, but the kids well coached by Izzo who has a knack for producing hard nosed, savvy all around players. Valentine has a diverse game that could thrive in a Spurs/Hawks setting where do a little bit of everything.

Same with Buddy Hield. Kid is slightly undersized, but he's got a decent wingspan and can flat out score the ball.

All are huge reaches in the top10 as of today.
Murray hasnt proved anything other than be shothappy and having a quick trigger, his floor and passing is way behind everybody expects from him.
You could as well just put Malik Newman 4th, at least he is athletic and looks for his teammates.
Neither can defend a lick.

Dell · Post #1219 » by **Dell** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:24 pm

I think people have considered Murray overrated for so long now, he's coming back around and has become underrated again.

Ericb5 · Post #1220 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:19 pm

Dell wrote:I think people have considered Murray overrated for so long now, he's coming back around and has become underrated again.

It's funny how perceptions change. To me, Murray was always a scoring guard and not a point guard. I didn't understand why people wanted him as high as 3.

What has really changed with him other than he has shown how he probably isn't a point?

I would still probably rather have him than D'Angelo Russell.

People like Valentine or Hield seem to me like candidates for the Heat pick.

We have 2 picks in the mid to late first round and that is where you take a flyer on people like that. You certainly don't do it in the top 5, and if we get the lakers pick it will be top 5.

I'm conflicted with the Lakers pick. I mean, I want a top five pick from them this year, but at the same time I'm not that thrilled about anyone in the top 8 or so outside of the top 2. I would almost rather take my chances next year.

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