2016 Draft

[AtheJ415]

I would love to get Bender or Simmons in this draft. Drafting either will make this horrible season worth it.

Well, I think it's unlikely we won't have the chance to get either. I see no way we don't stay in the top 4. Ingram will be top 2 imo, so we just need a little bit of luck to get to 3rd, or for a team to fall in love with Dunn.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I would love to get Bender or Simmons in this draft. Drafting either will make this horrible season worth it.

How good is Bender?

7'0", mobile, thick, athletic, long, potential elite defender, can handle the ball, finish, still finding his shooting stroke. I think he's perfect for us.

[Twuan89]

I would love to get Bender or Simmons in this draft. Drafting either will make this horrible season worth it.

How good is Bender?

7'0", mobile, thick, athletic, long, potential elite defender, can handle the ball, finish, still finding his shooting stroke. I think he's perfect for us.

Does he have Superstar potential?

[Duke4life831]

Simmons look a slight slow for a SF... I think PF will be his spot in the NBA most of the time.


Ingram.... Im starting to like a lot... Guy is smooth as for a 6'9 shooting guard slash small forward.

Ya Simmons is an NBA 4. That is where he has the highest defensive potential. Ingram is impressing more and more as the year goes on. He is showing more and more moves offensively and defensively he is really showing his potential and versatility

[DirtyDez]

Simmons look a slight slow for a SF... I think PF will be his spot in the NBA most of the time.


Ingram.... Im starting to like a lot... Guy is smooth as for a 6'9 shooting guard slash small forward.

Ya Simmons is an NBA 4. That is where he has the highest defensive potential. Ingram is impressing more and more as the year goes on. He is showing more and more moves offensively and defensively he is really showing his potential and versatility

Ingram played very well despite being in foul trouble against Notre Dame and his shot looks very confident right now. I kinda wanna FF three years and see his body filled out.

Next year Duke will have two more guys with #1 pick potential.

[Duke4life831]

Simmons look a slight slow for a SF... I think PF will be his spot in the NBA most of the time.


Ingram.... Im starting to like a lot... Guy is smooth as for a 6'9 shooting guard slash small forward.

Ya Simmons is an NBA 4. That is where he has the highest defensive potential. Ingram is impressing more and more as the year goes on. He is showing more and more moves offensively and defensively he is really showing his potential and versatility

Ingram played very well despite being in foul trouble against Notre Dame and his shot looks very confident right now. I kinda wanna FF three years and see his body filled out.

Next year Duke will have two more guys with #1 pick potential.

Ya his jumper is crazy hot right now. He is averaging 21ppg and is shooting 47% from 3 since the start of December while attempting 6 3s a game. Also since Amile Jefferson went down he is average 7 boards a game. His weight scares me some but he is going to be playing primarly on the perimeter. Also his dad is a big dude and said he was very thin as well as a teenager. So I think he is going to put on weight pretty easily, just have to hope it wont affect his jumper

[MrMiyagi]

Ya his jumper is crazy hot right now. He is averaging 21ppg and is shooting 47% from 3 since the start of December while attempting 6 3s a game. Also since Amile Jefferson went down he is average 7 boards a game. His weight scares me some but he is going to be playing primarly on the perimeter. Also his dad is a big dude and said he was very thin as well as a teenager. So I think he is going to put on weight pretty easily, just have to hope it wont affect his jumper

I feel like this is Brandon Ingram's dad.


(Dhalsim from Street Fighter for the ignorant)

[TASTIC]

Bender scares me.

A) Hard to cheer for a guy with that last name - not sure if the term is used in the US, but in the UK if you walked round with a jersey with 'Bender' on the back you'd be mocked mercilessly. haha

B) On a serious note, he reminds me more of Jan Vessely than Kristaps - BIG concern and I can't shake that comparison.

C) He's so young and hasn't played many minutes for his team over there...thus he's extremely raw.

I want Ingram then Simmons...though would be very happy with either as being our young star in the making.

Ingram plays really well on both ends and has a really polished inside/outside combo. He could be Durant but he could be Gallinari too...

[bwgood77]

I would love to get Bender or Simmons in this draft. Drafting either will make this horrible season worth it.

Well, I think it's unlikely we won't have the chance to get either. I see no way we don't stay in the top 4. Ingram will be top 2 imo, so we just need a little bit of luck to get to 3rd, or for a team to fall in love with Dunn.

You know if you finish 4th worst, the odds say you slide down a pick in the lotto. I'm pretty sure wherever you land, if in the top 4 or so, odds say you will move down a spot. And the higher you are, the odds are even greater you move down two spots.

I mean, obviously there is a better chance to get a higher pick, the worst you finish, but you keep talking about where we finish being a guarantee to pick there or better.

[Saberestar]

I don't like Bender. Very raw, and he is mechanical. With Len on our team no need for other big man that is gonna be two years away to be two years away.

[thamadkant]

Simmons to me is a bigger Evan Turner/ Lamar Odom.. Which is good.

Ingram will suit the modern NBA though.


But really someone will likely climb in the next few months.

[carey]

I like Melo Trimble a lot. He is like a Bledsoe with a jump shot. Will be a steal in the 20's.

[jcsunsfan]

Bender scares me.

A) Hard to cheer for a guy with that last name - not sure if the term is used in the US, but in the UK if you walked round with a jersey with 'Bender' on the back you'd be mocked mercilessly. haha

It doesn't mean the same thing here. But we have Rudy Gay in the league and no one makes that much of it. Not sure how many jersies he sells, that would be another issue.

[AtheJ415]

I would love to get Bender or Simmons in this draft. Drafting either will make this horrible season worth it.

Well, I think it's unlikely we won't have the chance to get either. I see no way we don't stay in the top 4. Ingram will be top 2 imo, so we just need a little bit of luck to get to 3rd, or for a team to fall in love with Dunn.

You know if you finish 4th worst, the odds say you slide down a pick in the lotto. I'm pretty sure wherever you land, if in the top 4 or so, odds say you will move down a spot. And the higher you are, the odds are even greater you move down two spots.

I mean, obviously there is a better chance to get a higher pick, the worst you finish, but you keep talking about where we finish being a guarantee to pick there or better.

We aren't staying 4th worst. Imo, we're going to catch Brooklyn with an outside shot of catching LA. We don't just lose, we get blown out by the Sixers and Lakers and Wolves, all while continuing to have a coach with no clue and a bunch of players with no effort. Look at how much ground we've gained on the Lakers and Brooklyn since Bledsoe went down. If Hornacek had a clue as to how to turn this around,, he would've by now. He can't even lead the team to want to run down the court for God's sake.

[bwgood77]

Well, I think it's unlikely we won't have the chance to get either. I see no way we don't stay in the top 4. Ingram will be top 2 imo, so we just need a little bit of luck to get to 3rd, or for a team to fall in love with Dunn.

You know if you finish 4th worst, the odds say you slide down a pick in the lotto. I'm pretty sure wherever you land, if in the top 4 or so, odds say you will move down a spot. And the higher you are, the odds are even greater you move down two spots.

I mean, obviously there is a better chance to get a higher pick, the worst you finish, but you keep talking about where we finish being a guarantee to pick there or better.

We aren't staying 4th worst. Imo, we're going to catch Brooklyn with an outside shot of catching LA. We don't just lose, we get blown out by the Sixers and Lakers and Wolves, all while continuing to have a coach with no clue and a bunch of players with no effort. Look at how much ground we've gained on the Lakers and Brooklyn since Bledsoe went down. If Hornacek had a clue as to how to turn this around,, he would've by now. He can't even lead the team to want to run down the court for God's sake.

I guess you misunderstood my point. Do you understand how the lottery works? You talk as if where we will finish means that is where we will pick. Odds are, the worse you finish, the more chance you have of moving down a draft spot. Finishing 3rd worst, for example, gives you a 46.9% chance of a top 3 pick. So the odds FAVOR you getting a pick outside the top 3, because there are greater odds that one team ranked 4-14 jump into top 3, nudging you down a spot, than there is of the three worst records all keeping the top 3 picks.

I think if you finish in the bottom 5, you have a pretty good chance of getting a top 3 pick (33% chance or better). Sure 47% chance is better, but it's still going to come down to some luck.

I've always felt if you could get into the worst 7, it helps quite a bit, but odds move considerably up to 6, and more so up to 5.

Even the worst record only has a 64.2% chance of staying in the top 3! That means they have over a 1 in 3 chance of moving down 3 spots.

So despite odds getting better, it really is kind of a crapshoot.

As for your other points, yeah, the worse we finish the better, and there is ZERO argument from me right now about us playing worse than anyone in the league.

You've stated that we have the best chance of winning by playing our young guys more, but the young guys on the Wolves, Sixers and possibly even the Lakers have already gotten more experience than ours, so we are behind in that respect, so you can't expect us to compete well when the only vet who seems to care at the point is PJ, and we all know how you feel about his abilitiy.

For your reference, here are the odds of getting each of those picks, as I referenced above. http://www.tankathon.com/

[kennydorglas]

Yeah, Ingram looks like the real deal here, guys.

He has the size (6'9), length (7'3), shooting skill (40% 3's - bad FT% tho), defensive impact (1.8STL/2.1BLK per40 - just non-sense), still will be 18 in the draft day.

This is completely nuts. It's really rare to see a guy this young being so good in pretty much everything.

I think this draft is pretty good in the top. It'll be hard to pick guys outside the lottery, tho.

[AtheJ415]

You know if you finish 4th worst, the odds say you slide down a pick in the lotto. I'm pretty sure wherever you land, if in the top 4 or so, odds say you will move down a spot. And the higher you are, the odds are even greater you move down two spots.

I mean, obviously there is a better chance to get a higher pick, the worst you finish, but you keep talking about where we finish being a guarantee to pick there or better.

We aren't staying 4th worst. Imo, we're going to catch Brooklyn with an outside shot of catching LA. We don't just lose, we get blown out by the Sixers and Lakers and Wolves, all while continuing to have a coach with no clue and a bunch of players with no effort. Look at how much ground we've gained on the Lakers and Brooklyn since Bledsoe went down. If Hornacek had a clue as to how to turn this around,, he would've by now. He can't even lead the team to want to run down the court for God's sake.

I guess you misunderstood my point. Do you understand how the lottery works? You talk as if where we will finish means that is where we will pick. Odds are, the worse you finish, the more chance you have of moving down a draft spot. Finishing 3rd worst, for example, gives you a 46.9% chance of a top 3 pick. So the odds FAVOR you getting a pick outside the top 3, because there are greater odds that one team ranked 4-14 jump into top 3, nudging you down a spot, than there is of the three worst records all keeping the top 3 picks.

I think if you finish in the bottom 5, you have a pretty good chance of getting a top 3 pick (33% chance or better). Sure 47% chance is better, but it's still going to come down to some luck.

I've always felt if you could get into the worst 7, it helps quite a bit, but odds move considerably up to 6, and more so up to 5.

Even the worst record only has a 64.2% chance of staying in the top 3! That means they have over a 1 in 3 chance of moving down 3 spots.

So despite odds getting better, it really is kind of a crapshoot.

As for your other points, yeah, the worse we finish the better, and there is ZERO argument from me right now about us playing worse than anyone in the league.

You've stated that we have the best chance of winning by playing our young guys more, but the young guys on the Wolves, Sixers and possibly even the Lakers have already gotten more experience than ours, so we are behind in that respect, so you can't expect us to compete well when the only vet who seems to care at the point is PJ, and we all know how you feel about his abilitiy.

For your reference, here are the odds of getting each of those picks, as I referenced above. http://www.tankathon.com/

You misunderstand my point. I fully know that if you're 4th, you are likely to drop to 5th. I'm saying we will end up 3rd at the least in the standings, meaning we are likely to drop to 4th, or potentially even 2nd, meaning we are more likely than not to finish in the top 3. My entire point is that we are going to catch Brooklyn and maybe even LA. With the lottery odds, that gives us a likelihood of getting a top 4 pick.

[saintEscaton]

Yeah, Ingram looks like the real deal here, guys.

He has the size (6'9), length (7'3), shooting skill (40% 3's - bad FT% tho), defensive impact (1.8STL/2.1BLK per40 - just non-sense), still will be 18 in the draft day.

This is completely nuts. It's really rare to see a guy this young being so good in pretty much everything.

I think this draft is pretty good in the top. It'll be hard to pick guys outside the lottery, tho.

If we had a choice and the draft happened today I'd comfortably take Ingram over Simmons right now without breaking a sweat.

[bwgood77]

Yeah, Ingram looks like the real deal here, guys.

He has the size (6'9), length (7'3), shooting skill (40% 3's - bad FT% tho), defensive impact (1.8STL/2.1BLK per40 - just non-sense), still will be 18 in the draft day.

This is completely nuts. It's really rare to see a guy this young being so good in pretty much everything.

I think this draft is pretty good in the top. It'll be hard to pick guys outside the lottery, tho.

I think outside of those top two it's tough. The big question, as things stand now, do you take Bender or Dunn at 3 if that is your pick? I would have always said Bender due to needing a PF, just the huge potential upside, but then if you truly want to move away from our current point guards and get more of a passing pg, then Dunn could be the guy. But I guess I seriously doubt McD will trade either Bledsoe or Knight any time soon unless it is in some sort of blockbuster deal.

Hopefully we finish with a top 2 pick and the Lakers draft Bender and he is a monumental bust, but next year they improve slightly and Philly gets the 9th pick.

[bwgood77]

You misunderstand my point. I fully know that if you're 4th, you are likely to drop to 5th. I'm saying we will end up 3rd at the least in the standings, meaning we are likely to drop to 4th, or potentially even 2nd, meaning we are more likely than not to finish in the top 3. My entire point is that we are going to catch Brooklyn and maybe even LA. With the lottery odds, that gives us a likelihood of getting a top 4 pick.

OK, well my whole point wasn't really arguing that we will finish 4th. I do think we are likely to get to 3rd and potentially higher. We are clearly on a downward trend because of injuries, apathy from disgruntled players and vets who signed hoping to compete (or possibly just to get a nice contract) and no pg. Philly has been injected with JC/MDA and the almighty Ish, and the Lakers have Julius and D'Angelo who should only get better throughout the season and guards who like to pass (now that Kobe is a forward).

Then Brooklyn will desperately try to do anything to win and the Pelicans have a top 10 player and are getting healthier.