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QOTD: Trade Whiteside or Keep Him?

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Trade or Keep?

Poll ended at Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:54 am

Trade before the season is out
8
24%
Keep him for the remainder of the season (and playoffs) and let him walk
2
6%
Keep him long term (this season and contract for future seasons)
24
71%
 
Total votes: 34

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Re: QOTD: Trade Whiteside or Keep Him? 

Post#41 » by gom » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:28 am

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gom wrote:Yeah, I get it. You're a Heat fan that doesn't like Whiteside. We should have kept Shannon Brown. Good luck!

Nope!!!
I'm more of a Heat fan than a Whiteside fan... You are more of a Whiteside fan than a Heat fan... Thats our difference...
Funny to bring out Shannon Brown.. Grow up please.... Stop this hate!!! This is the trade board!! Its no fun if we all agree to one another. The challenge should be there... I've been here at least a decade before you, I've seen posters like you and acted even worst... I dont really have no bitterness or personal hate to you... Believe me... Respect!!!


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Re: QOTD: Trade Whiteside or Keep Him? 

Post#42 » by Hoops23 » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:44 am

gom wrote:
Hoops23 wrote:
gom wrote:Yeah, I get it. You're a Heat fan that doesn't like Whiteside. We should have kept Shannon Brown. Good luck!

Nope!!!
I'm more of a Heat fan than a Whiteside fan... You are more of a Whiteside fan than a Heat fan... Thats our difference...
Funny to bring out Shannon Brown.. Grow up please.... Stop this hate!!! This is the trade board!! Its no fun if we all agree to one another. The challenge should be there... I've been here at least a decade before you, I've seen posters like you and acted even worst... I dont really have no bitterness or personal hate to you... Believe me... Respect!!!


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Re: QOTD: Trade Whiteside or Keep Him? 

Post#43 » by Mars » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:59 am

Hoops23 wrote: I disagree...

Due to Hassan's minimum salary, there's no team in the league that has a player of comparable talent on a similar contract that would satisfy Riley's needs in a proposed trade. The limited value of Hassan's contract and punitive nature of his contract status (organizationally), combined with his value as a player, makes him a horrible trade piece.

That means multiple players on the HEAT side of the ledger would need to be involved to net Miami something of value. Problem is there's no one on the roster Riley would be willing to give up that any team interested in Hassan would want to take on in terms of salary, remaining years of contracts, and ability. He's not trading Wade, Bosh, Goran, Justise, or Tyler. What team would have use for players 7 through 15 on the roster?

Even if, for arguments sake, some hypothetical pieces could be figured out, any team willing to give up its own bonafide talent to get Hassan would never do so without being able to secure his Full Bird Rights. GM's understand he'll be an unrestricted free agent this summer with all the holding all the power, leverage, and ability to sign elsewhere. No GM worth his salt is going to trade away even marginal talent on his roster based on a roll of the dice.

What team in the playoff hunt would view Hassan as their missing piece? Especially if the talent they'd need to send out to bring Hassan in would essentially weaken and undermine their playoff hunt. What team currently fighting for a playoff spot fits the criteria of "A team that’s about winning... that has a good understanding of what it takes to win and a good city with a good fan base."

And why would a team give away its talent for what might amount to nothing more than a two-month rental, based on the hope that Hassan would simply help them secure a playoff seed? Desperate teams with cap space looking to make a splash will make a run at Hassan this summer (see Lakers). No well run organization that knows it's not a legitimate contender will want to trade for him by the deadline.

Reality is Riley's not moving Hassan. It makes no sense. He's going to evaluate him all regular season and during the playoffs. If Riley feels it's prudent, Hassan will be offered a sizable contract and necessary sales pitch designed to persuade him this summer. If Riley's not completely sold on Hassan, he'll simply let him walk and use the cap space to sweet talk whatever other free agents catch his eye (see Nic Batum). Handling it any other way is just foolish.
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Re: QOTD: Trade Whiteside or Keep Him? 

Post#44 » by Hoops23 » Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:00 am

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Hoops23 wrote: I disagree...

Due to Hassan's minimum salary, there's no team in the league that has a player of comparable talent on a similar contract that would satisfy Riley's needs in a proposed trade. The limited value of Hassan's contract and punitive nature of his contract status (organizationally), combined with his value as a player, makes him a horrible trade piece.

That means multiple players on the HEAT side of the ledger would need to be involved to net Miami something of value. Problem is there's no one on the roster Riley would be willing to give up that any team interested in Hassan would want to take on in terms of salary, remaining years of contracts, and ability. He's not trading Wade, Bosh, Goran, Justise, or Tyler. What team would have use for players 7 through 15 on the roster?

Even if, for arguments sake, some hypothetical pieces could be figured out, any team willing to give up its own bonafide talent to get Hassan would never do so without being able to secure his Full Bird Rights. GM's understand he'll be an unrestricted free agent this summer with all the holding all the power, leverage, and ability to sign elsewhere. No GM worth his salt is going to trade away even marginal talent on his roster based on a roll of the dice.

What team in the playoff hunt would view Hassan as their missing piece? Especially if the talent they'd need to send out to bring Hassan in would essentially weaken and undermine their playoff hunt. What team currently fighting for a playoff spot fits the criteria of "A team that’s about winning... that has a good understanding of what it takes to win and a good city with a good fan base."

And why would a team give away its talent for what might amount to nothing more than a two-month rental, based on the hope that Hassan would simply help them secure a playoff seed? Desperate teams with cap space looking to make a splash will make a run at Hassan this summer (see Lakers). No well run organization that knows it's not a legitimate contender will want to trade for him by the deadline.

Reality is Riley's not moving Hassan. It makes no sense. He's going to evaluate him all regular season and during the playoffs. If Riley feels it's prudent, Hassan will be offered a sizable contract and necessary sales pitch designed to persuade him this summer. If Riley's not completely sold on Hassan, he'll simply let him walk and use the cap space to sweet talk whatever other free agents catch his eye (see Nic Batum). Handling it any other way is just foolish.
all of our arguments about whiteside will be answered soon!

as per what you said that "Riley's not moving Hassan", there should be a qualification for that. I believe Riley will trade Whiteside for the right deal only. You know that Riley is impatient and will make whatever is necessary to improve the team. The Heat is always about NOW.. He's not afraid of making trades, from the likes of Glenn Rice, PJ Brown, Lamar Odom... But I agree, his UFA status and early bird rights issues will make other teams to stay away.. But nothing is impossible. Most probably we'll see him in the post season with Miami.

And regarding what you said "if Riley's not completely sold on Hassan, he'll let him walk", its not a given, I think Riley will not just give-up on Hassan cause he's still raw and can develop, unless he's asking too much or Riles has a better options.

Imagine if Miami will give Hassan 20.9m; thats 19m or 20m left to sign Wade and another free agent.. Then almost the same team, except Bosh and Wade aged, and hoping they're healthy to play lots of games. Heat needs to dump McBob's contract to add more to the cap space. Hoping Heat can make full use of their cap space in the off-season.

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