Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[bws94]

Oh great, another argument about wanting Lin to go to another team. 6 teams in 7 years. Yay.

The #1 thing Lin can continue to do to help this team win is to keep playing defense at a high level. We are losing games on defense, not offense. Lin is one of the better defenders on the team.

I really don't get this on a Hornets home no less. I'd like to see Lin stay put. I like rooting for Charlotte, I like this community, and moreover, I think it is time for Lin to stick with the same system, coach and core players for 2 seasons or more if possible. I don't need to see Lin play starting PG or anything like that, just work on his weaknesses off season like handles and continue to work on his shooting which is below his own average this season. I'm glad he's semi healthy, look what happened to Bledsoe, MKG or Noah at various times in the season.

I think we lack a rim-protector and MKG's defense will be great to have back. Lin is a solid defender and his offense of penetrating scorer/distributor provides an almost X factor to the team. It would be nice if Lin takes the option and see just how far some of his known and lesser-known talents can help a team get into a playoff run. My concern now is that the team isn't coming out of the duldrums, and nobody on the team can really bring them out of it.

[TinmanZBoy]

Oh great, another argument about wanting Lin to go to another team. 6 teams in 7 years. Yay.

The #1 thing Lin can continue to do to help this team win is to keep playing defense at a high level. We are losing games on defense, not offense. Lin is one of the better defenders on the team.

I really don't get this on a Hornets home no less. I'd like to see Lin stay put. I like rooting for Charlotte, I like this community, and moreover, I think it is time for Lin to stick with the same system, coach and core players for 2 seasons or more if possible. I don't need to see Lin play starting PG or anything like that, just work on his weaknesses off season like handles and continue to work on his shooting which is below his own average this season. I'm glad he's semi healthy, look what happened to Bledsoe, MKG or Noah at various times in the season.

I think we lack a rim-protector and MKG's defense will be great to have back. Lin is a solid defender and his offense of penetrating scorer/distributor provides an almost X factor to the team. It would be nice if Lin takes the option and see just how far some of his known and lesser-known talents can help a team get into a playoff run. My concern now is that the team isn't coming out of the duldrums, and nobody on the team can really bring them out of it.

no way lin will pick up his player option barring injury, he will opt out for sure and I can see the hornets and him will re-work on a longer deal like the one lamb got... lin probably would take a 7-8millions/year for 3 years deal with the hornets...

[tonman]

Oh great, another argument about wanting Lin to go to another team. 6 teams in 7 years. Yay.

The #1 thing Lin can continue to do to help this team win is to keep playing defense at a high level. We are losing games on defense, not offense. Lin is one of the better defenders on the team.

Oh great, another argument about wanting Lin to go to another team. 6 teams in 7 years. Yay.

The #1 thing Lin can continue to do to help this team win is to keep playing defense at a high level. We are losing games on defense, not offense. Lin is one of the better defenders on the team.

I really don't get this on a Hornets home no less. I'd like to see Lin stay put. I like rooting for Charlotte, I like this community, and moreover, I think it is time for Lin to stick with the same system, coach and core players for 2 seasons or more if possible. I don't need to see Lin play starting PG or anything like that, just work on his weaknesses off season like handles and continue to work on his shooting which is below his own average this season. I'm glad he's semi healthy, look what happened to Bledsoe, MKG or Noah at various times in the season.

I think we lack a rim-protector and MKG's defense will be great to have back. Lin is a solid defender and his offense of penetrating scorer/distributor provides an almost X factor to the team. It would be nice if Lin takes the option and see just how far some of his known and lesser-known talents can help a team get into a playoff run. My concern now is that the team isn't coming out of the duldrums, and nobody on the team can really bring them out of it.

no way lin will pick up his player option barring injury, he will opt out for sure and I can see the hornets and him will re-work on a longer deal like the one lamb got... lin probably would take a 7-8millions/year for 3 years deal with the hornets...

Actually we are losing this game on offense. You can't turn this team into an elite defensive team so you can't limit your offense.

[JDR720]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/basketballtalk/status/688866407417655296[/tweet]

[TTNN]

Oh great, another argument about wanting Lin to go to another team. 6 teams in 7 years. Yay.

The #1 thing Lin can continue to do to help this team win is to keep playing defense at a high level. We are losing games on defense, not offense. Lin is one of the better defenders on the team.

I really don't get this on a Hornets home no less. I'd like to see Lin stay put. I like rooting for Charlotte, I like this community, and moreover, I think it is time for Lin to stick with the same system, coach and core players for 2 seasons or more if possible. I don't need to see Lin play starting PG or anything like that, just work on his weaknesses off season like handles and continue to work on his shooting which is below his own average this season. I'm glad he's semi healthy, look what happened to Bledsoe, MKG or Noah at various times in the season.

I think we lack a rim-protector and MKG's defense will be great to have back. Lin is a solid defender and his offense of penetrating scorer/distributor provides an almost X factor to the team. It would be nice if Lin takes the option and see just how far some of his known and lesser-known talents can help a team get into a playoff run. My concern now is that the team isn't coming out of the duldrums, and nobody on the team can really bring them out of it.

It is strange that what you like would mean anything to Lin's decision. Not I want Lin to switch team or anything, just feel it very strange to put it this way.

No way Lin will pick up his option at the end of the year, and whether he will rework a contract or not, it really does not mean much at this moment, as nobody knows what he think and what the team will do in summer.

Let's just try to finish this season first, then worry about where Lin will be.

But, it just doesn't make sense people kind of saying where Lin should go, or what he should do just because "I like".

[phillycheese]

To be fair, I read the latest round of discussion as being reasons why Lin would NOT want to switch to a team that is in contention with an entrenched PG like Westbrook.

[sidestep]

This is straight from the horse's mouth, the reporter who covers the Hornets.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/688195438566965249[/tweet]

Regardless of what Lin himself wants, or whatever might be good for him, the Hornets do not plan to keep him. Period. There's not much to say about it; I don't get how this topic merits so much discussion.

If you don't take much stock in Bonnell's tweet, there is the obvious fact that as the season has worn on, Lin has been slowly removed from running the offense. He has stopped being the playmaker for BF1; there is no BF1 anymore. And when Roberts is in the game, Roberts runs the offense. If the team is actually interested in keeping Lin, why is he being phased out from running the offense?

The writing is on the wall, for a long time now.

[leeramundo]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/basketballtalk/status/688866407417655296[/tweet]

We have not exploited this enough yet.

[TinmanZBoy]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/688195438566965249[/tweet]

That is straight from the horse's mouth, the reporter who covers the Hornets.

Regardless of what Lin himself wants, or whatever might be good for him, the Hornets do not plan to keep him. Period. There's not much to say about it; I don't get how this topic merits so much discussion.

If you don't take much stock in Bonnell's tweet, there is the obvious fact that as the season has worn on, Lin has been slowly removed from running the offense. He has stopped being the main playmaker for BF1; there is no BF1 anymore. And when Roberts is in the game, Roberts runs the offense. If the team is actually interested in keeping Lin, why is he being phased out from running the offense? The writing has been is on the wall already.

just ask the long time posters here, how seriously do they take Mr. Bonnell's words?

Kemba, MKG, Frank, Zeller are all under contracts

[phillycheese]

The game plan is for him to sit in the corner and for Kemba and Batum to facilitate. Pretty much a given that Cliff wants him to concentrate on his defense as that is what the team needs (according to coach's strategy). If Lin comes off plan and starts straying from the corner, then his man is able to disrupt the offense since that is not according to plan.

At the beginning of the season I thought the Hornets wanted to be a run and gun team, but they don't have the personnel for that. So now it has become a half court 4 and 1 Orlando (Dwight style) offense. No real roll guys to play pick and roll with, it's just pick and pop. Hornets had a lot of clean looks from 3 this game, just could not convert.

The game plan is for Lin to stretch the floor at times, go out and facilitate and break defenses down at times. It isn't to just sit in the corner and play D. Cliff has said numerous times he wants 3 facilitators on the court, Lin is one of them. The team is still working out the balance. A few times Lin cut and Batum found him, that's one of the ways Lin can get easy 2s and be effective. Even if he doesn't score he draws fouls, gets to the line, helps get an opposing team into the penalty. Lin's job is to bring energy, break down defenses with his penetration, draw fouls, be another offensive facilitating threat on the floor as well as do the things defensively he can do. He serves a big role on the team.

Stretch the floor = sitting in the corner (in my opinion). Lin can only facilitate when the ball is in his hands. The problem is when the ball leaves it never comes back. Cliff wants 3 facilitators on the court but lately it has been two facilitators plus one. Lots of possessions where Lin did not even get a touch before the shot went up. For a few games the Hornets were running Lin using him as weakside screen ala J Redick. For these last two games Lin was quite stationary except for a few forays. Lin was also unable to break down his man off the dribble against the Bucks. It looks to me like Cliff was saving Lin's ankle from running around.

Head scratching decision - why sit Lin when he was heating up, scored like 7 pts in a row and Hornets were coming back to within 5 or 6. Look, if he was scoring 7 and giving up 9, ok pull him, but he was a net positive during those minutes in the 4th and the team had energy. "Cliff wanted more height" - ok, they put Batum on Middeton, who proceeded to shoot over Nic too. So, no D and no O = loss. "Lin needed a blow before coming back" - well, game was lost within a few minutes so it was not a good decision.

[JDR720]

bonnell sucks. and h that tweet was an opinion, he has close to 0 knowledge of what the team actually thinks

that said i do agree with the list, 4 of those players are still under contract so its obvious we will keep them and nic is our best player and we traded a top 10 pick for him so he is a must.

think of it this way lin is the 2nd most important FA

[phillycheese]

I think Lin will opt out, and all I want is for him to explore the best options out there. If Hornets show him the love and the money then by all means stay. Lin in his prime should not be giving discounts. Gets taken advantage of. Just look at the Marcus Morris - signed at a discount and then gets traded. That said, I think the Hornets situation is a very good one for Lin. I certainly do not want him in Philly, Nets or other places like that.

[TinmanZBoy]

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the issue is not lin does not get touches, he has plenty touches, but lin really is not that good of PG running half court sets, he is not bad, but really nothing special... he is a PG who thrives in an open court, fast tempo offense, he can hit every right button to get easy buckets if you give him an open court... that's not how coach clifford runs this team...
with Al out, the hornets is really down sized and almost has no inside out game, IMO, they should try pushing the tempo, let guards (kemba and Lin) have some easy lanes to drive, ultimate you need to score in the paint to survive, now, the team do or die with three points shooting, it is not viable...

[sidestep]

bonnell sucks. and h that tweet was an opinion, he has close to 0 knowledge of what the team actually thinks

that said i do agree with the list, 4 of those players are still under contract so its obvious we will keep them and nic is our best player and we traded a top 10 pick for him so he is a must.

think of it this way lin is the 2nd most important FA

If we dismiss Bonnell's tweet, then can you address the other thing I brought up? Namely, the phasing out of Lin from running the offense.

If the team does intend to try to keep Lin, then you would want the teammates to get used to him running the offense, at least when he's with the bench players -- isnt that so? It takes time for the guys to click; you don't plan to keep a playmaker but stop him from playmaking. How does that make sense? Roberts runs the offense more than Lin now. And even though BF1 headed by Lin was doing very well, often even outperforming the starting lineup, why did that suddenly stop? It's either because the franchise does not have Lin in their plans for next year, or, the team is run stupidly.

If Lin is regarded as an important FA, why is he not played to his strengths? If he is not played to his strengths, why would he would be interested in staying on this team?

Basically, the two possibilites are: no intention of keeping him, or stupid.

[TinmanZBoy]

bonnell sucks. and h that tweet was an opinion, he has close to 0 knowledge of what the team actually thinks

that said i do agree with the list, 4 of those players are still under contract so its obvious we will keep them and nic is our best player and we traded a top 10 pick for him so he is a must.

think of it this way lin is the 2nd most important FA

If we dismiss Bonnell's tweet, then can you address the other thing I brought up? Namely, the phasing out of Lin from running the offense.

If the team does intend to try to keep Lin, then you would want the teammates to get used to him running the offense, at least when he's with the bench players -- isnt that so? It takes time for the guys to click; you don't plan to keep a playmaker but stop him from playmaking. How does that make sense? Roberts runs the offense more than Lin now. And even though BF1 headed by Lin was doing very well, often even outperforming the starting lineup, why did that suddenly stop? It's either because the franchise does not have Lin in their plans for next year, or, the team is run stupidly.

If Lin is regarded as an important FA, why is he not played to his strengths? If he is not played to his strengths, why would he would be interested in staying on this team?

Basically, the two possibilites are: no intention of keeping him, or stupid.

Bringing the ball up does not mean Roberts is running the offense... it is very obvious the peck order of playmaking is 1, Batum, 2, Kemba, 3, Lin, 4, Lamb... 5, Roberts...

[sidestep]

Either you run the offense, or get plays run for you to shoot. When Lin is in with Roberts, it's mostly neither. Oftentimes, Lin doesn't even touch the ball with Roberts.

Lin's role is basically PJ's. Get the trickle-down shot attempts, not get many plays run for you, and play defense so the 'stars' of the team can be stars. Is PJ an important FA?

[TinmanZBoy]

Either you run the offense, or get plays run for you to shoot. When Lin is in with Roberts, it's mostly neither. Oftentimes, Lin doesn't even touch the ball with Roberts.

Lin's role is basically PJ's. Get the trickle-down shot attempts, not get many plays run for you, and play defense so the 'stars' of the team can be stars. Is PJ an important FA?

when Roberts and Lin manning the backcourt, you rarely or don't see lin camping the corner to stretch the floor, most of time, ball will be given to lin to run PnR... when Batum, Kemba, Lin are all on the court, Lin camps on the weak side, Batum and Kemba run the motion strong to creat opportunities... sometimes ball will wing to the weak side, then lin run PnR... the hornets rarely attack on the first PnR anyway, most of time, they attack on the second when both offense and defense are in motion... lin occasionally cut inside to get easy buckets (Nic is a really good passer) which is very effective and a good improvement from lin....

[jtsmith]

Can't we just enjoy his game in the now and present playing as a member of the team.

There's too much conspiracy theories and discussions about next season. There's still a lot of games left this season. Just sit back and enjoy the games.

[spaceballer]

Tweet from Forbes magazine. They put out a new article on the Jeremy Lin watchface that debuted this month at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ForbesTech/status/688563897062821892[/tweet]
https://twitter.com/ForbesTech/status/688563897062821892

[TinmanZBoy]

Can't we just enjoy his game in the now and present playing as a member of the team.

There's too much conspiracy theories and discussions about next season. There's still a lot of games left this season. Just sit back and enjoy the games.

exactly... it is also not something lin fans can control anyway...