Right now is the perfect time to trade Fournier

Mad Guru · Post #1 » by **Mad Guru** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:46 am

He is young, will be a restricted free agent, and is playing the best ball of his career.

The Magic need to make a decision right now between Evan and Oladipo. If you want to move forward with Oladipo, I think that you have to trade Fournier at the trade deadline. The Magic should be looking towards the future this season, if Evan isn't part of your core, you need to maximize his value and turn him into an asset. Either a young PF/C, or a future draft pick with a veteran throw in.

If you wait till this offseason then the Magic are going to be forced to overpay him when they have to near-max him, or match another team's poison pilled offer. Then they will be left with the same log jam at SG that they have now.

If the Magic think Hezonja and Oladipo are the future at the SG/SF position, then getting Fournier on a long term contract this offseason is just going to force them to trade him later on, and it will be more difficult to do when he has a bigger contract.

Possible targets: Taj Gibson + Draft Pick/Doug McDermott, NYK Draft Pick, Charlotte Draft Pick + Zeller, Brooklyn 2020 draft pick + filler, part of a package for Favors, Phoenix draft pick, LA draft pick

There are PF's out there that could be had, maybe someone like Miles Turner could get picked up for the right price.

In any case, if the Magic don't move Fournier, I wouldn't be surprised if that means that Hennigan isn't sold on Oladipo moving forward, and might look for a trade of him over the next 2 years.

I could also see the Magic trade Nicholson or package Nicholson and Fournier together as they will both be restricted FA's this offseason that we likely won't resign both.

Baka_La Flame · Post #2 » by **Baka_La Flame** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:33 am

The perfect time was about a month and a half ago when he was lighting it up and consistent. His value is a little down now. I might be alone on this but I would rather trade Vic and split time with Marion/Fournier at the 2. Flip Vic + Tobias or Vuc for a star player preferably in the front court.

Orlwillbeback · Post #3 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:57 am

Orlandipo wrote:The perfect time was about a month and a half ago when he was lighting it up and consistent. His value is a little down now. I might be alone on this but I would rather trade Vic and split time with Marion/Fournier at the 2. Flip Vic + Tobias or Vuc for a star player preferably in the front court.

Post #4 » by **Howard Mass** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:12 am

I will say this.

The Magic will not re-sign Fournier AND give Victor Oladipo an extension.

They will only do one at the most.

Viper1500 · Post #5 » by **Viper1500** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:32 am

I like the idea of Taj+a pick, unless Hennigan has offseason plans to go after a PF.

Post #6 » by **UCFJayBird** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:48 am

While I agree the Magic very well may have to make a choice between the two, it's tough for me to say that the Magic will definitely choose Oladipo over Fournier. Oladipo has finally started playing well this month, but he is having the worst season of his young career so far, while Fournier is having his best. Ironically Oladipo has been so hot this month that he's pushed his shooting percentages almost to his rookie numbers. He keeps it up the rest of the month he could be having his best shooting. It's really tough to say right now if Oladipo won't just fall back down and start struggling again. I hope he has finally turned that corner.

If Oladipo continues to play like he is now (or even close) than the Magic will probably stick with him because of his hustle and defense. But If he regresses again and goes back to his November-December play, than the Magic will probably lean towards Fournier.

Magic are in a tough spot. They're practically the same age (Fournier is actually younger). They've invested a lot in Oladipo and he's a far more popular player with the common fan and well known in the Magic community. But he's having a really bad year, while Fournier is having a pretty good year (though just like season he started off much hotter). One might make the argument to go with Victor due to his higher potential due to his athleticism, though I could see the argument that Fournier is more likely to reach his ceiling because he's a bit more reliable and consistent.

Magic will have a tough choice at the end of this season, but I don't see them making the decision mid season unless the wheels completely fall off by the all star break to the point that we've given up on the playoffs.

deggett · Post #7 » by **deggett** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:12 am

Keep them both

MagicStarwipe · Post #8 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:54 am

I'm starting to agree. I don't see Fournier's value getting any higher and if both are playing at their best, I think Dipo is probably more impactful all around. The problems I see are how erratic Vic can be coupled with what he thinks his role should be on the team. Plus you have the backup plan in Mario, who if things go well could turn into a rich mans Fournier. I think Skiles would probably tie Henny up in his basement if he even heard an inkling of a rumour about us looking to trade him though :lol:

Post #9 » by **Bensational** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:35 am

Both Fournier and Dipo are good players. And if we didn't have Hezonja there wouldn't be a problem, because a Fournier/Dipo rotation works really well.

We've just got too many SGs and not enough PFs.

Fournier for Myles Turner could be good. Turner can hit the 3 and defend the paint. Would Indy go for it?

MagicStarwipe · Post #10 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:17 am

I'd love to get Myles Turner on this team. Indy would not do Turner for Fournier though. Pretty sure they view him as their C of the future.

Baka_La Flame · Post #11 » by **Baka_La Flame** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:28 am

Don't get me wrong I think Dipo is the better overall talent but Fournier is a better fit next to Elfrid.

Baka_La Flame · Post #12 » by **Baka_La Flame** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:30 am

Don't think we can get Turner for Evan. Shame we didn't take the kid last year. Love Mario but Turner is exactly what we are missing.

fklt · Post #13 » by **fklt** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:26 pm

Expect Tobias harris treatment. We'll definitely match him. then depending on the state of hezonja, we'll trade him for decent value in couple of years.

nicnac215 · Post #14 » by **nicnac215** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:49 pm

fournier+vuc+lakers pick for kristaps

drsd · Post #15 » by **drsd** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:52 pm

Howard Mass wrote:I will say this.

The Magic will not re-sign Fournier AND give Victor Oladipo an extension.

They will only do one at the most.

Some two months ago there was good discussion and this was the final conclusion. GM Hennigan needs to decide which of these two he keeps; the other gets traded. I see no other path forward at the SG slot.

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BadMofoPimp · Post #16 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:15 pm

I think the Magic are trying to boost Fournier's trade value which is why they played him so much and Skiles talked him up. Just my opinion. Oladipo has too much potential to grow still to let slip away. Unless, Oladipo thinks he needs more room to shine and wants to play elsewhere.

Henny or Skiles really needs to sit down with each player in a heart to heart to see where they would like their future to be.

tiderulz · Post #17 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:38 pm

Bensational wrote:Both Fournier and Dipo are good players. And if we didn't have Hezonja there wouldn't be a problem, because a Fournier/Dipo rotation works really well.

We've just got too many SGs and not enough PFs.

Fournier for Myles Turner could be good. Turner can hit the 3 and defend the paint. Would Indy go for it?

not alone. We would have to add more to get Indy to bite. Indy is short on big men, they would have to be really convinced to do that (ie major incentives)

Post #18 » by **SD2042** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:25 pm

Bensational wrote:Both Fournier and Dipo are good players. And if we didn't have Hezonja there wouldn't be a problem, because a Fournier/Dipo rotation works really well.

We've just got too many SGs and not enough PFs.

Fournier for Myles Turner could be good. Turner can hit the 3 and defend the paint. Would Indy go for it?

Nothing against Mario, but Turner was the player I wished Henny drafted back in June.

NBlue · Post #19 » by **NBlue** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:44 pm

But why? I don't get it at all unless you are doing a trade when you are stealing a player with greater value from another team -- and who is giving that up for Evan. Here's why I think such a trade is really unlikely.

1) We don't know what we have. He has looked like both a star and a scrub at different times this season and its difficult at this point to know exactly how good he is or could be. (The same could also be said of Dipo). As this is a decision that may well impact the future of the franchise and its difficult to make the determination at this point why not let the season play out (and maybe even see him in the playoffs) and get a better understanding of what we really have in him.

2) He is a RFA so his value is basically as a rental+ -- you are not going to great value for him at this point so why give him away for next to nothing.

3) If we do decide to move him we could always match any offer he gets as a RFA and move him that way. Not suggesting we move Tobias but his contract could easily be traded for an asset right now. Next year we could have something like that with Evan.

Mad Guru · Post #20 » by **Mad Guru** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:42 pm

NBlue wrote:But why? I don't get it at all unless you are doing a trade when you are stealing a player with greater value from another team -- and who is giving that up for Evan. Here's why I think such a trade is really unlikely.

1) We don't know what we have. He has looked like both a star and a scrub at different times this season and its difficult at this point to know exactly how good he is or could be. (The same could also be said of Dipo). As this is a decision that may well impact the future of the franchise and its difficult to make the determination at this point why not let the season play out (and maybe even see him in the playoffs) and get a better understanding of what we really have in him.

2) He is a RFA so his value is basically as a rental+ -- you are not going to great value for him at this point so why give him away for next to nothing.

3) If we do decide to move him we could always match any offer he gets as a RFA and move him that way. Not suggesting we move Tobias but his contract could easily be traded for an asset right now. Next year we could have something like that with Evan.

1. You move him now because while playing out the season would be better right now, if you determine Oladipo is a more important piece, Fournier becomes expendable, and you might as well devote your time and minutes to figuring out how to get him into the rotation with Hezonja.

2. He isn't a rental, because he is restricted that means if you trade for him you are keeping him long term, like what the Pistons did with Reggie Jackson

3. Sure, you could give him the contract, then you could disrupt team chemistry even worse than it would be today by trading him a year or two down the road. Call me old fashion, but it's not a good look to give a guy a contract then turn around and sell him off.