question. would an undersized pf draymond green be an upgrade over illasova?

[davidvolumes]

draymond reminds me of Dave debusshare. Undersized for his position, tough as nails, very heady and the missing piece for the knicks run for the championship. With that in mind r there players in the upcoming draft that fits that mold. Not stars in themselves but capable shooters that r in that mold. Could Anthony Bennett be that player?

[Timmaytime]

Yes

Draymond would immediately be the best defender on this team. The only thing Illy can do better is shoot the 3 ball and we're still not even sure about that

Him being undersized literally means nothing

Anthony Bennett on the other hand is not an upgrade over Illy in any way, shape, or form. Bennett is most certainly not the answer

[zeebneeb]

A shot blocking great pick and roll defending three point shooting pf would be amazing. Basically Erson when he plays a great game for us.

Erson just can't play like that night in and night out. I would kill for Stein in Sacramento. Teach him a reliable three point shot and it's a done deal. His defense combined with Andre would give teams fits for a decade.

There are a bunch of these types of players in the league but some are buried on benches and it's up to Stan and company to find them.

Fast feet and good hands.

[mattao313]

Anthony Bennett is a bum it a reason he can't get any PT on a team like us (Raptors) who needs a PF.

[tmorgan]

A shot blocking great pick and roll defending three point shooting pf would be amazing. Basically Erson when he plays a great game for us.

Erson just can't play like that night in and night out. I would kill for Stein in Sacramento. Teach him a reliable three point shot and it's a done deal. His defense combined with Andre would give teams fits for a decade.

There are a bunch of these types of players in the league but some are buried on benches and it's up to Stan and company to find them.

Fast feet and good hands.

I agree in principle, but the day WCS has a reliable NBA three pointer is the day monkeys fly out of my butt.

[DetroitSho]

A shot blocking great pick and roll defending three point shooting pf would be amazing. Basically Erson when he plays a great game for us.

Erson just can't play like that night in and night out. I would kill for Stein in Sacramento. Teach him a reliable three point shot and it's a done deal. His defense combined with Andre would give teams fits for a decade.

There are a bunch of these types of players in the league but some are buried on benches and it's up to Stan and company to find them.

Fast feet and good hands.

Oh just teach him how to shoot 3's? Is that all?

[zeebneeb]

A shot blocking great pick and roll defending three point shooting pf would be amazing. Basically Erson when he plays a great game for us.

Erson just can't play like that night in and night out. I would kill for Stein in Sacramento. Teach him a reliable three point shot and it's a done deal. His defense combined with Andre would give teams fits for a decade.

There are a bunch of these types of players in the league but some are buried on benches and it's up to Stan and company to find them.

Fast feet and good hands.

Oh just teach him how to shoot 3's? Is that all?

Yes, just like Ibaka. Stein does have touch and can hit three pointers. It just has to be harnessed.

Without a doubt.

[DetroitSho]

A shot blocking great pick and roll defending three point shooting pf would be amazing. Basically Erson when he plays a great game for us.

Erson just can't play like that night in and night out. I would kill for Stein in Sacramento. Teach him a reliable three point shot and it's a done deal. His defense combined with Andre would give teams fits for a decade.

There are a bunch of these types of players in the league but some are buried on benches and it's up to Stan and company to find them.

Fast feet and good hands.

Oh just teach him how to shoot 3's? Is that all?

Yes, just like Ibaka. Stein does have touch and can hit three pointers. It just has to be harnessed.

Without a doubt.

You mean Ibaka who was already great from 17-19 feet and just extended his range? That's quite different from WCS who is not a jumpshooter at all. And what exactly are you basing his ability to shoot 3's from? Personal shooting sessions?

By the way, you don't teach a guy how to shoot 3's, that's a weird statement. A guy just expands on what he already has. Whether that's in high school, college or if he picks it up in the NBA. The way you're saying it just screams that once a non shooting big shows he can go 1/3 from 3 every other game, he's tagged with this misunderstood STRETCH tag.

[zeebneeb]

Oh just teach him how to shoot 3's? Is that all?

Yes, just like Ibaka. Stein does have touch and can hit three pointers. It just has to be harnessed.

Without a doubt.

You mean Ibaka who was already great from 17-19 feet and just extended his range? That's quite different from WCS who is not a jumpshooter at all. And what exactly are you basing his ability to shoot 3's from? Personal shooting sessions?

By the way, you don't teach a guy how to shoot 3's, that's a weird statement. A guy just expands on what he already has. Whether that's in high school, college or if he picks it up in the NBA. The way you're saying it just screams that once a non shooting big shows he can go 1/3 from 3 every other game, he's tagged with this misunderstood STRETCH tag.

I dont understand what is so weird about what I said.

Yes, you do teach how to shoot the three ball. Correct form, release and speed can make a huge difference.

I have no misunderstanding of what a stretch 4 is either. Doesnt have to shoot three just make sure the lane doesnt get clogged. This isnt a difficult concept but if the stretch can hit the three it makes his offense a little more valuable hence the reason Horford will step back and take threes instead of being inside the arc.

Your reply has an oddly angry feel to it which I also dont understand.

Again nothing I said is out of the ordinary. Take who could end up being a damn fine defensive 4 in this league and mold him to fit your needs.

Who is your suggestion? I want a young player as well, not someone who is 30. Team growth from young players is working really well right now.

[DetroitSho]

Yes, just like Ibaka. Stein does have touch and can hit three pointers. It just has to be harnessed.

Without a doubt.

You mean Ibaka who was already great from 17-19 feet and just extended his range? That's quite different from WCS who is not a jumpshooter at all. And what exactly are you basing his ability to shoot 3's from? Personal shooting sessions?

By the way, you don't teach a guy how to shoot 3's, that's a weird statement. A guy just expands on what he already has. Whether that's in high school, college or if he picks it up in the NBA. The way you're saying it just screams that once a non shooting big shows he can go 1/3 from 3 every other game, he's tagged with this misunderstood STRETCH tag.

I dont understand what is so weird about what I said.

Yes, you do teach how to shoot the three ball. Correct form, release and speed can make a huge difference.

I have no misunderstanding of what a stretch 4 is either. Doesnt have to shoot three just make sure the lane doesnt get clogged. This isnt a difficult concept but if the stretch can hit the three it makes his offense a little more valuable hence the reason Horford will step back and take threes instead of being inside the arc.

Your reply has an oddly angry feel to it which I also dont understand.

Again nothing I said is out of the ordinary. Take who could end up being a damn fine defensive 4 in this league and mold him to fit your needs.

Who is your suggestion? I want a young player as well, not someone who is 30. Team growth from young players is working really well right now.

So if a guy is not a good shooter at all, you start out at the 3 point line teaching him correct form and release? That's what I find weird about your statement. You have to teach him how to shoot PERIOD first. Then when he can consistently knock down shots he can increase his range. You don't have different shooting forms from different distances, so there's no such thing as teaching someone how to shoot 3's. You can teach someone free throws because a totally different routine. That's what I'm getting at.

Today? I want Taj Gibson. If not, I want us to target Horford. I don't think everyone on your team has to be 22-24 years old. If a guy is going to give you what you need at a very high level for 4+ years, then the age difference is moot. Because that's long enough to enter and exit a championship window. I still hold that the Pacers signing David West was the biggest thing that happened to that team and a big reason they were able to compete at the level they did. But that also shows you how fast a window can close, so we need not be fooled into thinking we'll have a team full of 22-24 year olds and they'll continue to grow and grow for 7 years and ultimately win. Things change quickly in the NBA.

[kf96]

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