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Miami Heat @ OKC Thunder - 1/17 @ 7:00pm EST

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Re: Miami Heat @ OKC Thunder - 1/17 @ 7:00pm EST 

Post#521 » by jagz » Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:52 am

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HeatWillRise wrote:This season basically in a nutshell - Wade Vs Bosh, who's the best player?! Who gives a flying phuck. Just win games and enjoy it as a Heat fan.

I thought we would be done with that trash after lebron left, but here it is rearing it's ugly head again.


It's not about player vs. player bragging rights. It's about how the team plays. Wade is a dinosaur. He's a high usage, playmaking scorer who doesn't shoot three pointers. He may be the last one. And he's not a top 10 player over 48 minutes anymore. He needs more help than he used to.

But, if you move away from a Wade-centric offense and make him a role player, the questions then are, 1) How do you win games that require a closer? 2) What do you do with Wade? (because the notion that he played off-the-ball with LeBron between 2012 - 2014 is overblown; what he did was play a compressed version of his own game).
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Re: Miami Heat @ OKC Thunder - 1/17 @ 7:00pm EST 

Post#522 » by 3ballbomber » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:38 am

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3ballbomber wrote:The only Bullsh*t here buddy is the notion that this team will get anywhere w/ the mentality that you hold. We aren't achieving jack sh*t if this continues. I don't want to have to pull up stats because i done already did that and some others as well to prove our points but people such as yourself keep thinking the way you do regardless.

You believe what you want, i know what i am seeing out there and I'll leave this right here for ya....and again reiteration coming from a source that is directly associated with the organization.

Dwyane Wade

In a vacuum: A. In this mix: B.

Why: While the shooting percentage is down, Wade remains top-tier shooting guard, one who draws the undivided attention of defenses, a player very much still capable of single-handedly taking over a game. He will start the All-Star Game not only because of fan balloting, but because he merits the honor at 34.

Yet for the Heat, as long as Wade dominates the ball, it also means taking the ball out of the hands of others, most notably Goran Dragic. And as long as the Wade-Dragic chemistry sputters, so will the Heat. This is where a concession from Wade, as a leader, is necessary.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-midseason-s011816-story.html


We aren't achieving jack **** with a pg who can only play at one speed and that speed is one that nobody else in the starting lineup wants to play at consistently.

Dragic has done NOTHING in his career to warrant turning over the ball to every possession. What don't you get about that? The Suns didn't trust him to do that, and the Heat don't either.

That's what I see, you can see what you want.


so now you're just gonna attack Dragic

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Tough to retort a relating quote from somebody directly associated w/ the Heat organization, i understand. Perhaps it's a sign for you to open your mind to the thought that in actuality Wade's usage amount is actually more of an issue than you may care to think.

Even Eric Reid & Tony Fiorentino have made constant in-game remarks about when the ball moves we play better when they see that the ball is sticking, especially to Wade. Hubie Brown has made the exact same observation and has similar statements. Surely all Ira, Eric, tony & Hubie can't be all incorrect and you completely right!?

My views have been constantly reiterated by those directly involved with not only the Heat but the league. I think i'll trust my own judgement.
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Re: Miami Heat @ OKC Thunder - 1/17 @ 7:00pm EST 

Post#523 » by Wolfy1983 » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:22 am

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KingDavid wrote:The problem with a whole lot of you is that you always need someone to blame. Stop the bitching. We had NO point guards playing this game. That's why our assists were so low. No one stepped up this game. What the hell were you all expecting?



I am expecting more than 12 points from a max player.

Heaven-forbid anyone has an off game. He averages 19/8. Seven more points would not have made a difference last night.


He's had too many of those in my book. Are you telling me you were expecting 19/8 from him this season? Would 22/10 have been too much of a stretch?

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digg211 wrote:

I think you are giving Bosh way too much credit on the defensive end. He's not garbage, but lets not act like he's a huge difference maker on that end. Secondly, yes, he has turned into a spot up shooter. Rarely does he drive to draw fouls. His 3 pt % is not good for him to attempt so many 3 pointers a game. So Whiteside and Dragic are nobodies now?

It's not far fetched to believe they aren't lottery bound this year. The East is not the joke it use to be. We are mediocre at home and the schedule doesn't get any easier. If there's a chance teams come calling for Bosh, I would listen.

Someone else will post stats to clear all that up. I'm too lazy, inebriated, and out of **** to give.


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Re: Miami Heat @ OKC Thunder - 1/17 @ 7:00pm EST 

Post#524 » by Hallstar » Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:36 pm

3ballbomber wrote:
Hallstar wrote:
3ballbomber wrote:The only Bullsh*t here buddy is the notion that this team will get anywhere w/ the mentality that you hold. We aren't achieving jack sh*t if this continues. I don't want to have to pull up stats because i done already did that and some others as well to prove our points but people such as yourself keep thinking the way you do regardless.

You believe what you want, i know what i am seeing out there and I'll leave this right here for ya....and again reiteration coming from a source that is directly associated with the organization.



We aren't achieving jack **** with a pg who can only play at one speed and that speed is one that nobody else in the starting lineup wants to play at consistently.

Dragic has done NOTHING in his career to warrant turning over the ball to every possession. What don't you get about that? The Suns didn't trust him to do that, and the Heat don't either.

That's what I see, you can see what you want.


so now you're just gonna attack Dragic

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Tough to retort a relating quote from somebody directly associated w/ the Heat organization, i understand. Perhaps it's a sign for you to open your mind to the thought that in actuality Wade's usage amount is actually more of an issue than you may care to think.

Even Eric Reid & Tony Fiorentino have made constant in-game remarks about when the ball moves we play better when they see that the ball is sticking, especially to Wade. Hubie Brown has made the exact same observation and has similar statements. Surely all Ira, Eric, tony & Hubie can't be all incorrect and you completely right!?

My views have been constantly reiterated by those directly involved with not only the Heat but the league. I think i'll trust my own judgement.


One minute Ira's an idiot, next minute his words have value being "directly associated". I don't put much in to that either way.

They've said the ball is sticking when dudes receive open shots, hesitate, then miss. Whose fault is that? Eric and Tony aren't gonna just say so and so friggin sucks tonight. Look at some of the ridiculous 24 sec violations.

If Dragic isn't on his one man fast break we get nothing out of him in the half court unless it's a spot up jumper for the most part. If you don't see dudes out there struggling to create for themselves in the halfcourt, I don't know what to tell you. So yeah I'm gonna "attack" Dragic if your solution is giving the keys to somebody who plays a style no one else wants to.

Wade's usage is the same as when Lebron was here, that means a lot of OTHER people are holding the ball, but you seem to think when he's thrown out there in the 4th down 10, that it's to just move the ball. Good luck with that.
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Re: Miami Heat @ OKC Thunder - 1/17 @ 7:00pm EST 

Post#525 » by HeatFanDan » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:00 pm

KingDavid wrote:The problem with a whole lot of you is that you always need someone to blame. Stop the bitching. We had NO point guards playing this game. That's why our assists were so low. No one stepped up this game. What the hell were you all expecting?

Bruh, personally I'm not looking to place "blame" on ANY one player. Basketball is the epitome of a team game, I know that. I'm just sick of all of the Wade hate in every game thread, while other "underperforming" players on the team seem to get a pass. It's like it's all good for people to sh*t on Wade every chance they get, but if anyone says anything remotely critical about any player other than Wade, people wanna get all sad about it. People need to realize that not everyone on this forum is a Wade hater, and that many of us here take exception to Wade-bashing posts.
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Re: Miami Heat @ OKC Thunder - 1/17 @ 7:00pm EST 

Post#526 » by KingDavid » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:04 am

HeatFanDan wrote:
KingDavid wrote:The problem with a whole lot of you is that you always need someone to blame. Stop the bitching. We had NO point guards playing this game. That's why our assists were so low. No one stepped up this game. What the hell were you all expecting?

Bruh, personally I'm not looking to place "blame" on ANY one player. Basketball is the epitome of a team game, I know that. I'm just sick of all of the Wade hate in every game thread, while other "underperforming" players on the team seem to get a pass. It's like it's all good for people to sh*t on Wade every chance they get, but if anyone says anything remotely critical about any player other than Wade, people wanna get all sad about it. People need to realize that not everyone on this forum is a Wade hater, and that many of us here take exception to Wade-bashing posts.

Everyone gets bashed on this team. You wanna cape at every turn, that's your prerogative.
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Re: Miami Heat @ OKC Thunder - 1/17 @ 7:00pm EST 

Post#527 » by HeatFanDan » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:50 am

KingDavid wrote:
HeatFanDan wrote:
KingDavid wrote:The problem with a whole lot of you is that you always need someone to blame. Stop the bitching. We had NO point guards playing this game. That's why our assists were so low. No one stepped up this game. What the hell were you all expecting?

Bruh, personally I'm not looking to place "blame" on ANY one player. Basketball is the epitome of a team game, I know that. I'm just sick of all of the Wade hate in every game thread, while other "underperforming" players on the team seem to get a pass. It's like it's all good for people to sh*t on Wade every chance they get, but if anyone says anything remotely critical about any player other than Wade, people wanna get all sad about it. People need to realize that not everyone on this forum is a Wade hater, and that many of us here take exception to Wade-bashing posts.

Everyone gets bashed on this team. You wanna cape at every turn, that's your prerogative.

Talk down to me some more, tough guy. This forum sucks anyway. Buncha crybaby Wade haters. No different than the official Heat forum.
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Re: Miami Heat @ OKC Thunder - 1/17 @ 7:00pm EST 

Post#528 » by KingDavid » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:22 am

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KingDavid wrote:
HeatFanDan wrote:Bruh, personally I'm not looking to place "blame" on ANY one player. Basketball is the epitome of a team game, I know that. I'm just sick of all of the Wade hate in every game thread, while other "underperforming" players on the team seem to get a pass. It's like it's all good for people to sh*t on Wade every chance they get, but if anyone says anything remotely critical about any player other than Wade, people wanna get all sad about it. People need to realize that not everyone on this forum is a Wade hater, and that many of us here take exception to Wade-bashing posts.

Everyone gets bashed on this team. You wanna cape at every turn, that's your prerogative.

Talk down to me some more, tough guy. This forum sucks anyway. Buncha crybaby Wade haters. No different than the official Heat forum.

Wait, what? I had no intention of coming off that way. I'm sorry about that. What I'm really saying is that you can defend Wade at every turn if you want, but it'll just end up exhausting you. Every star on this team gets bashed though. Like tonight, Beno and Dragic are out and tj and jr are getting smoked and it's a bunch of trash talk about it.

You'll come to the point where you ignore the nonsense, notice the posters you can have a civil conversation with, and just enjoy yourself.
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Re: Miami Heat @ OKC Thunder - 1/17 @ 7:00pm EST 

Post#529 » by gom » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:26 am

jereseja wrote:Biggest problem in these debate is ppl still think that Miami have superstar players.Sorry to dissapoint u, Miami have few good players but ZEROsuperstars like Atlanta and few other teams.So only recipe for winning is great diffence and great ball movement on offence.Sorry to disapoint u but our 4q system and put ball in Wade and Bosh hands are to predictable for oposite teams and on long run we not going anywhere with these.
Today odds for Miami winning championship are 33/1-40/1 and i give 100/1 everyone who think that we will be in ESF with these 4q system.
And one obvious for end
Bosh is much better player these year than Wade and these stats are on these forum nonstop just search+wade playing good diffence only in 4q so nooo.


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