Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[thricethefun]

The Cavs don't use Kevin Love correctly. His skillset overlaps with Lebron and Kyrie. Trade Beal and Gortat for Love then sign Whiteside this offseason. Wall Bazemore Otto Love Whiteside

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

The Cavs don't use Kevin Love correctly. His skillset overlaps with Lebron and Kyrie. Trade Beal and Gortat for Love then sign Whiteside this offseason. Wall Bazemore Otto Love Whiteside

At this point, that's a lot to give up for Love.

...and I would do anything for Love.

But I won't do that.

[thricethefun]

The Cavs don't use Kevin Love correctly. His skillset overlaps with Lebron and Kyrie. Trade Beal and Gortat for Love then sign Whiteside this offseason. Wall Bazemore Otto Love Whiteside

At this point, that's a lot to give up for Love.

...and I would do anything for Love.

But I won't do that.

I think if we give him a big role in the offense like he could have here he could go back to playing like the Minnesota Love instead of the glorified spot up shooter that he's become.

[payitforward]

The same can be said for Blair. Out of Payne or Blair I'd rather have Payne.

I'm don't know whether either of these guys is among the league's worst players, but at least Blair has had a history of success in the NBA. And, he has an actual role.

In short, you're wrong.

I'm not sure how wanting the younger player with more upside is wrong for a rebuilding team. Saying that Blair was once a useful player has little to do with his current value. Could Blair return to usefulness, it's possible, but when the bet is a long shot either way I'll go with the option that is more oriented to the future instead of the past.

In principle, I agree 100%. But... the thing is... we're not talking about principles here, we're talking about 2 particular players.

Payne is about to turn 25. He's never been any good, and he hasn't gotten better either; he hasn't gone from bad to less bad. There's just no reason whatever to place even a small bet on him.

Oh, and Dejuan Blair is less than 2 years older than Payne. I'd say it's *a lot* more likely he contributes this year and next than that Payne does.

Keep in mind, I'm not trying to build a statue of Dejuan Blair in the park! Just saying that he's a better bet than Adreian Payne! You want to give me Dieng for Blair? You got a deal. I'll throw in Kris Humphries and Gary Neal.

[fishercob]

Bradley Beal and Nene for Kevin Love right the eff now. Cleveland is apt to make a panic trade seeing as they can't beat GSW.

[payitforward]

Bradley Beal and Nene for Kevin Love right the eff now. Cleveland is apt to make a panic trade seeing as they can't beat GSW.

It's like John said so long ago...

"There's nothing you can do that can't be done
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy"

[nuposse04]

Bradley Beal and Nene for Kevin Love right the eff now. Cleveland is apt to make a panic trade seeing as they can't beat GSW.

Would be hilarious to watch him **** up on defense 3-5 times a game. Cle prolly says no though.

I think CLE should consider something like Love for T. Jones and Capella to HOU.

They really effed themselves IMO by giving TT that contract.

[deneem4]

Bradley Beal and Nene for Kevin Love right the eff now. Cleveland is apt to make a panic trade seeing as they can't beat GSW.

As much as I love will help us...beal would help them more...playoff beal next to Lebron and kyrie is unfair not to mention giving the cavs a smart big man in nene

[wolves_89]

I'm don't know whether either of these guys is among the league's worst players, but at least Blair has had a history of success in the NBA. And, he has an actual role.

In short, you're wrong.

I'm not sure how wanting the younger player with more upside is wrong for a rebuilding team. Saying that Blair was once a useful player has little to do with his current value. Could Blair return to usefulness, it's possible, but when the bet is a long shot either way I'll go with the option that is more oriented to the future instead of the past.

In principle, I agree 100%. But... the thing is... we're not talking about principles here, we're talking about 2 particular players.

Payne is about to turn 25. He's never been any good, and he hasn't gotten better either; he hasn't gone from bad to less bad. There's just no reason whatever to place even a small bet on him.

Oh, and Dejuan Blair is less than 2 years older than Payne. I'd say it's *a lot* more likely he contributes this year and next than that Payne does.

Keep in mind, I'm not trying to build a statue of Dejuan Blair in the park! Just saying that he's a better bet than Adreian Payne! You want to give me Dieng for Blair? You got a deal. I'll throw in Kris Humphries and Gary Neal.

I can see your argument, I just don't agree with it. I don't see Blair as having any use at this point and while Payne isn't currently any better, I'll still take his athletic ability and slight potential to develop over Blair any day. It's not like Blair is in a month long slump, it's going on a season and a half of being completely terrible so hoping for a return to the production he once had seems far fetched to me.

[Dark Faze]

If I had to choose between the two I'd go Payne for those reasons. Don't want either though.

[payitforward]

Ok, fine.... Not much at stake here.

[tontoz]

The Cavs don't use Kevin Love correctly. His skillset overlaps with Lebron and Kyrie. Trade Beal and Gortat for Love then sign Whiteside this offseason. Wall Bazemore Otto Love Whiteside

At this point, that's a lot to give up for Love.

...and I would do anything for Love.

But I won't do that.

Am I the only one that got the Meatloaf reference?

[LyricalRico]

Bradley Beal and Nene for Kevin Love right the eff now. Cleveland is apt to make a panic trade seeing as they can't beat GSW.

I don't see that helping Cleveland at all. They give up the best player in the deal, and it doesn't change any of their roster dynamics to help them matchup better with teams like GS that go small.

The Cavs don't use Kevin Love correctly. His skillset overlaps with Lebron and Kyrie. Trade Beal and Gortat for Love then sign Whiteside this offseason. Wall Bazemore Otto Love Whiteside

Not feeling the Whiteside part of the scenario, but the first half might be an interesting offseason sign-and-trade if the Cavs don't win a title this year and want to shake things up. Gortat gives them similar size/production to Mosgov but at a more controlled cost (who know what kind of deal Mosgov will get this summer). And maybe they'd want a future first as insurance for Beal's leg, which I'd be fine with.

Acquring Love and signing Durant would give us all the star power we'd need. Oubre steps in at SG, and we can move Otto for a serviceable center. Maybe something like Otto+Blair for Noah (assuming he's healthy)?

Noah/2016 first
Love/Hump
Durant/FA
Oubre/Temple
Wall/Sato

[nate33]

Bradley Beal and Nene for Kevin Love right the eff now. Cleveland is apt to make a panic trade seeing as they can't beat GSW.

I don't see that helping Cleveland at all. They give up the best player in the deal, and it doesn't change any of their roster dynamics to help them matchup better with teams like GS that go small.

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Beal is a quality SG with upside and a history of performing well in the playoffs. With him on the roster, they can play Lebron at the 4 a lot more because Beal, Smith and Shumpert can handle the rotation at SG and SF.

All that said, I'm not sure how enthusiastic I am about trading for Love. With his $21M contract on the books, we wouldn't have much depth if we also went after Durant. There is no backup PF, no backup C, no backup PG and no money for them. I suppose it could work if we knew we weren't getting Durant. Then we'd use the Durant money on a guy like Biyombo.

I guess I'm saying that If KD2DC is still in play, I'd much prefer a low cost option at PF like Portis or maybe Markieff. If KD2DC is out the window, then maybe Love makes sense.

[Ruzious]

Bradley Beal and Nene for Kevin Love right the eff now. Cleveland is apt to make a panic trade seeing as they can't beat GSW.

I don't see that helping Cleveland at all. They give up the best player in the deal, and it doesn't change any of their roster dynamics to help them matchup better with teams like GS that go small.

?

Beal is a quality SG with upside and a history of performing well in the playoffs. With him on the roster, they can play Lebron at the 4 a lot more because Beal, Smith and Shumpert can handle the rotation at SG and SF.

All that said, I'm not sure how enthusiastic I am about trading for Love. With his $21M contract on the books, we wouldn't have much depth if we also went after Durant. There is no backup PF, no backup C, no backup PG and no money for them. I suppose it could work if we knew we weren't getting Durant. Then we'd use the Durant money on a guy like Biyombo.

I guess I'm saying that If KD2DC is still in play, I'd much prefer a low cost option at PF like Portis or maybe Markieff. If KD2DC is out the window, then maybe Love makes sense.

Theoretically speaking, sign and trade Beal for Love after signing Durant?

[nate33]

I don't see that helping Cleveland at all. They give up the best player in the deal, and it doesn't change any of their roster dynamics to help them matchup better with teams like GS that go small.

?

Beal is a quality SG with upside and a history of performing well in the playoffs. With him on the roster, they can play Lebron at the 4 a lot more because Beal, Smith and Shumpert can handle the rotation at SG and SF.

All that said, I'm not sure how enthusiastic I am about trading for Love. With his $21M contract on the books, we wouldn't have much depth if we also went after Durant. There is no backup PF, no backup C, no backup PG and no money for them. I suppose it could work if we knew we weren't getting Durant. Then we'd use the Durant money on a guy like Biyombo.

I guess I'm saying that If KD2DC is still in play, I'd much prefer a low cost option at PF like Portis or maybe Markieff. If KD2DC is out the window, then maybe Love makes sense.

Theoretically speaking, sign and trade Beal for Love after signing Durant?

I'd have to double check, but I think they tightened the S&T rules to make this idea a no-go. They tried to stop teams from using S&T as a means of exceeding the cap. But if this is possible, then I'd be heavily in favor.

[mademan]

Bradley Beal and Nene for Kevin Love right the eff now. Cleveland is apt to make a panic trade seeing as they can't beat GSW.

I don't see that helping Cleveland at all. They give up the best player in the deal, and it doesn't change any of their roster dynamics to help them matchup better with teams like GS that go small.

?

Beal is a quality SG with upside and a history of performing well in the playoffs. With him on the roster, they can play Lebron at the 4 a lot more because Beal, Smith and Shumpert can handle the rotation at SG and SF.
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Beal is a SG that is not (right now) a big enough upgrade over the JR/Shumpert rotation they have to justify giving up Love. He doesnt solve their defending problems, Lebron doesnt want to be a full time PF (even though he should be) and they still have a starting C issue. If Love is going out, it has to be to plug holes, not strengthen areas where they are fine (SG)

[nate33]

I don't see that helping Cleveland at all. They give up the best player in the deal, and it doesn't change any of their roster dynamics to help them matchup better with teams like GS that go small.

?

Beal is a quality SG with upside and a history of performing well in the playoffs. With him on the roster, they can play Lebron at the 4 a lot more because Beal, Smith and Shumpert can handle the rotation at SG and SF.
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Beal is a SG that is not (right now) a big enough upgrade over the JR/Shumpert rotation they have to justify giving up Love. He doesnt solve their defending problems, Lebron doesnt want to be a full time PF (even though he should be) and they still have a starting C issue. If Love is going out, it has to be to plug holes, not strengthen areas where they are fine (SG)

Shumpert and Smith can't play the entire game. If Lebron plays PF full time, Beal will be replacing Mo Williams and Richard Jefferson, not Shumpert and Smith. And that's a HUGE upgrade.

[mademan]

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Beal is a quality SG with upside and a history of performing well in the playoffs. With him on the roster, they can play Lebron at the 4 a lot more because Beal, Smith and Shumpert can handle the rotation at SG and SF.
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Beal is a SG that is not (right now) a big enough upgrade over the JR/Shumpert rotation they have to justify giving up Love. He doesnt solve their defending problems, Lebron doesnt want to be a full time PF (even though he should be) and they still have a starting C issue. If Love is going out, it has to be to plug holes, not strengthen areas where they are fine (SG)

Shumpert and Smith can't play the entire game. If Lebron plays PF full time, Beal will be replacing Mo Williams and Richard Jefferson, not Shumpert and Smith. And that's a HUGE upgrade.

And Love, you forgot that. Does it make them more likely to win a championship this year? I dont think so. And they'll be forced to match a 20+ mill contract to one of the few players in the league more injury prone than Love. Jus sayin, Cavs are trying to win a chip right now, Beal, to me, is not the win now player the Cavs need.

Would the Cavs rather have, say, Crowder/Bradley or Beal, to win a chip right now? I'd pretty easily take the former if i was them, and thats only 1 deal. How about McCollum/Aminu? etc...

[fishercob]

Beal is a SG that is not (right now) a big enough upgrade over the JR/Shumpert rotation they have to justify giving up Love. He doesnt solve their defending problems, Lebron doesnt want to be a full time PF (even though he should be) and they still have a starting C issue. If Love is going out, it has to be to plug holes, not strengthen areas where they are fine (SG)

Shumpert and Smith can't play the entire game. If Lebron plays PF full time, Beal will be replacing Mo Williams and Richard Jefferson, not Shumpert and Smith. And that's a HUGE upgrade.

And Love, you forgot that. Does it make them more likely to win a championship this year? I dont think so. And they'll be forced to match a 20+ mill contract to one of the few players in the league more injury prone than Love. Jus sayin, Cavs are trying to win a chip right now, Beal, to me, is not the win now player the Cavs need.

Would the Cavs rather have, say, Crowder/Bradley or Beal, to win a chip right now? I'd pretty easily take the former if i was them, and thats only 1 deal. How about McCollum/Aminu? etc...

I think that whomever the Cavs would get with Beal would be a significant help -- whether that is Dudley or Nene.

The only reasonable counter Cleveland has to Golden State's death lineup is Lebron at the 5 matching up with Draymond. Cleveland has to plan for that.

Crowder would be a great get for Cleveland.