Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

[Agnostifarian]

Brown is a poor man's Justice Winslow...no thanks. The comments/criticisms of Simmons are becoming comical. The 6'10" of can't guard the wings, but has been a man among boys in every game this year. Please watch full game or two before commenting...this kid is a special talent.

The jump shot deficiency is real but he is special, no doubt.

[PhilasFinest]

This draft class is so weird. Especially for us considering a lot of the projected top 10 or so consists of bigs.

Simmons is the clear cut cream of the crop.
Ingram is entrenched as the #2 player in the class, his skill set/size/upside combo is likely to keep him there.

After that, right now its seriously a matter of who's picking and what they see.


Bender has buzz, and people may be quicker to roll the dice on him w/ Porzingis' success fresh in the minds of many.

Jaylen Brown still gets a ton of attention. Has upside and is a good prospect but has some flaws that could limit his ceiling in the NBA as a scoring wing.

Kris Dunn is an intriguing flashy PG. Will his age affect his perceived "upside" as a top 5 pick?

Ellenson,Poeltl,Labissiere,Rabb all have three positives, but are all young bigs. With Embiid/Noel/Okafor/Saric/Holmes/Grant I can't see us having interest unless we make a trade.

We really need to hope we luck out and land the top pick or at least manage to stay in the top 2. Dropping to 3 or 4, IDK what the hell we would do.

[USWAY]

Ingram seems to have a habit of completely dissapearing in the second half of games and his offence vanishes late in games. He seems to lack the killer instinct to want the ball in pressure situations in key late game situations. Duke on a 3 game losing streak and Ingram non existent in the second half in today's loss. In his last 5 games he really hasn't been very impressive at all aside from the 25 point outing and seems to be coming back down to earth with a thud. Simmons is a no brainer pick over Ingram at this point.

Agreed, it's alarming. The whole team is a mess right now though. The freshmen PG is too green and K is trotting out line ups with 4 wings and a Plumlee and the chemistry is 0 right now. They literally just pass it around the perimiter until Grayson Allen or Luke Kennard decides to drive to the hoop. Amile Jefferson being out has ruined this team on D and clogged it up on O.

Ingram seems to lack that alpha trait though. I think he's still developing it, he showed signs at the end of OOC play and the beginning of conference play but seems to be relapsing as the team struggles. He's still very young though.

[Kolkmania]

Barely two months ago Ingram couldn't hit a single shot the entire game, it is way to early to say he's lacking an alpha gen. Like mentioned before, the offense of Duke is a mess right now. Ingram has never been a guy who breaks a defense down on his own. I'm actually quite surprised with his handling he has shown this season.

[broseph13]

This draft class is so weird. Especially for us considering a lot of the projected top 10 or so consists of bigs.

Simmons is the clear cut cream of the crop.
Ingram is entrenched as the #2 player in the class, his skill set/size/upside combo is likely to keep him there.

After that, right now its seriously a matter of who's picking and what they see.


Bender has buzz, and people may be quicker to roll the dice on him w/ Porzingis' success fresh in the minds of many.

Jaylen Brown still gets a ton of attention. Has upside and is a good prospect but has some flaws that could limit his ceiling in the NBA as a scoring wing.

Kris Dunn is an intriguing flashy PG. Will his age affect his perceived "upside" as a top 5 pick?

Ellenson,Poeltl,Labissiere,Rabb all have three positives, but are all young bigs. With Embiid/Noel/Okafor/Saric/Holmes/Grant I can't see us having interest unless we make a trade.

We really need to hope we luck out and land the top pick or at least manage to stay in the top 2. Dropping to 3 or 4, IDK what the hell we would do.

Although it's obviously better to have a top 2 pick, I'd be okay if we slipped to #3 as I feel as though Dunn, even though he's 21, has tremendous upside and could very well be the next Lillard. If we can't get Simmons or Ingram, Dunn should be the choice at #3.

[PhilasFinest]

This draft class is so weird. Especially for us considering a lot of the projected top 10 or so consists of bigs.

Simmons is the clear cut cream of the crop.
Ingram is entrenched as the #2 player in the class, his skill set/size/upside combo is likely to keep him there.

After that, right now its seriously a matter of who's picking and what they see.


Bender has buzz, and people may be quicker to roll the dice on him w/ Porzingis' success fresh in the minds of many.

Jaylen Brown still gets a ton of attention. Has upside and is a good prospect but has some flaws that could limit his ceiling in the NBA as a scoring wing.

Kris Dunn is an intriguing flashy PG. Will his age affect his perceived "upside" as a top 5 pick?

Ellenson,Poeltl,Labissiere,Rabb all have three positives, but are all young bigs. With Embiid/Noel/Okafor/Saric/Holmes/Grant I can't see us having interest unless we make a trade.

We really need to hope we luck out and land the top pick or at least manage to stay in the top 2. Dropping to 3 or 4, IDK what the hell we would do.

Although it's obviously better to have a top 2 pick, I'd be okay if we slipped to #3 as I feel as though Dunn, even though he's 21, has tremendous upside and could very well be the next Lillard. If we can't get Simmons or Ingram, Dunn should be the choice at #3.

I like Dunn and think he could potentially thrive in the NBA, especially in our system as is. He's quick, athletic, can do a bit of everything and has the size/length to be a quality defender. Im not sure he has the shooting/scoring ability of a Lillard but id certainly be intrigued to see him.

That being said, id much rather land Simmons or Ingram. I think our need for a quality wing is much deeper than that of a point guard. Id honestly be OK with another year of Ish running the team so long as we improve the other positions. Our perimeter play is so bad that we need to do everything in our power to replenish the 2/3 positions in the draft if possible w/ guys capable of shooting and becoming 2 way players.

[Mik317]

Dunn could be a Giant Ish Smith. Not the best but still useful. Brown isn't lighting the world up but still has enough upside to hope he can turn out good for us. Any upgrade to our wings will probably catapult us up a bit.

[Negrodamus]

Dunn could be a Giant Ish Smith. Not the best but still useful. Brown isn't lighting the world up but still has enough upside to hope he can turn out good for us. Any upgrade to our wings will probably catapult us up a bit.

If Dunn ends up being a giant Ish Smith but can also finish at the basket, he's a perennial all star. Ish would have had a historic game yesterday if he didn't miss everything. Dunn is also one of the best defenders in the NCAA right now. Ish was letting his dude into the lane with ease.

[PhilasFinest]

Dunn could be a Giant Ish Smith. Not the best but still useful. Brown isn't lighting the world up but still has enough upside to hope he can turn out good for us. Any upgrade to our wings will probably catapult us up a bit.

If Dunn ends up being a giant Ish Smith but can also finish at the basket, he's a perennial all star. Ish would have had a historic game yesterday if he didn't miss everything. Dunn is also one of the best defenders in the NCAA right now. Ish was letting his dude into the lane with ease.

This. If you just looked at Ish's numbers and impact on the team, and removed his name from alongside it....you'd think you had a near all star PG on your hands.

A giant Ish Smith (Sixer edition) who finishes at the basket is likely the rookie of the year next season.

[Negrodamus]

Dunn could be a Giant Ish Smith. Not the best but still useful. Brown isn't lighting the world up but still has enough upside to hope he can turn out good for us. Any upgrade to our wings will probably catapult us up a bit.

If Dunn ends up being a giant Ish Smith but can also finish at the basket, he's a perennial all star. Ish would have had a historic game yesterday if he didn't miss everything. Dunn is also one of the best defenders in the NCAA right now. Ish was letting his dude into the lane with ease.

This. If you just looked at Ish's numbers and impact on the team, and removed his name from alongside it....you'd think you had a near all star PG on your hands.

A giant Ish Smith (Sixer edition) who finishes at the basket is likely the rookie of the year next season.

Additionally, if Kris Dunn didn't have "Junior" next to his name, this thread would be called "Simmons, Dunn, or Ingram for Philly?"

6'4 with a 6'9 wingspan? Not to mention his vert is insane. Honestly, his only problems (from what I've seen) is that he has an awkward shot and he's turnover prone. If you can look past that, he might be the best player in this draft.

[Ericb5]

If Dunn ends up being a giant Ish Smith but can also finish at the basket, he's a perennial all star. Ish would have had a historic game yesterday if he didn't miss everything. Dunn is also one of the best defenders in the NCAA right now. Ish was letting his dude into the lane with ease.

This. If you just looked at Ish's numbers and impact on the team, and removed his name from alongside it....you'd think you had a near all star PG on your hands.

A giant Ish Smith (Sixer edition) who finishes at the basket is likely the rookie of the year next season.

Additionally, if Kris Dunn didn't have "Junior" next to his name, this thread would be called "Simmons, Dunn, or Ingram for Philly?"

6'4 with a 6'9 wingspan? Not to mention his vert is insane. Honestly, his only problems (from what I've seen) is that he has an awkward shot and he's turnover prone. If you can look past that, he might be the best player in this draft.

I think that we could all be happy with Dunn at 3, even though he is definitely behind the first 2 guys. The real issues start at 4 for us if Dunn is off the board.

At that point, we would be in major league crap shoot territory. Brown is nice, but is not worth tanking for.

To me, getting Simmons would be an over the moon triumph. Getting Ingram would be a great consolation prize. Getting Dunn would be livable. If we get anyone else you will be able to find me on the ledge of the Ben Franklin bridge.

[PhilasFinest]

Call me crazy, but I still think Jamal Murray can thrive in the pro's. He's got some growing to do, but he can shoot and score the ball.

[Ericb5]

Call me crazy, but I still think Jamal Murray can thrive in the pro's. He's got some growing to do, but he can shoot and score the ball.

I don't know what has changed that would make anyone that thought that in the summer feel any different. I'd be fine with him at 4 simply because I don't think that there is anyone else outside of the top 3 that are obviously better.


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[76ciology]

This draft class is so weird. Especially for us considering a lot of the projected top 10 or so consists of bigs.

Simmons is the clear cut cream of the crop.
Ingram is entrenched as the #2 player in the class, his skill set/size/upside combo is likely to keep him there.

After that, right now its seriously a matter of who's picking and what they see.


Bender has buzz, and people may be quicker to roll the dice on him w/ Porzingis' success fresh in the minds of many.

Jaylen Brown still gets a ton of attention. Has upside and is a good prospect but has some flaws that could limit his ceiling in the NBA as a scoring wing.

Kris Dunn is an intriguing flashy PG. Will his age affect his perceived "upside" as a top 5 pick?

Ellenson,Poeltl,Labissiere,Rabb all have three positives, but are all young bigs. With Embiid/Noel/Okafor/Saric/Holmes/Grant I can't see us having interest unless we make a trade.

We really need to hope we luck out and land the top pick or at least manage to stay in the top 2. Dropping to 3 or 4, IDK what the hell we would do.

It's weird in sense that it's like all the talent in the draft is concentrated with the 1st two picks. If we drop out, I expect us to use assets to overpay and move up.

[Kolkmania]

If Dunn ends up being a giant Ish Smith but can also finish at the basket, he's a perennial all star. Ish would have had a historic game yesterday if he didn't miss everything. Dunn is also one of the best defenders in the NCAA right now. Ish was letting his dude into the lane with ease.

This. If you just looked at Ish's numbers and impact on the team, and removed his name from alongside it....you'd think you had a near all star PG on your hands.

A giant Ish Smith (Sixer edition) who finishes at the basket is likely the rookie of the year next season.

Additionally, if Kris Dunn didn't have "Junior" next to his name, this thread would be called "Simmons, Dunn, or Ingram for Philly?"

6'4 with a 6'9 wingspan? Not to mention his vert is insane. Honestly, his only problems (from what I've seen) is that he has an awkward shot and he's turnover prone. If you can look past that, he might be the best player in this draft.

Dunn is the best college player of the country in my opinion, but of course Simmons and Ingram are more intriguing, Dunn will be 22 in a few months.

Call me crazy, but I still think Jamal Murray can thrive in the pro's. He's got some growing to do, but he can shoot and score the ball.

I don't know what has changed that would make anyone that thought that in the summer feel any different. I'd be fine with him at 4 simply because I don't think that there is anyone else outside of the top 3 that are obviously better.


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Well. Rumours were spread that Murray would be playing the 1, PG with that size and scoring ability is fenomenal. A SG with that size and scoring ability is good. I'm sure Murray would be a decent player in the NBA, but I'm not a big fan of him. Plenty of decent scoring guards in this draft with Hield, Valentine, Murray, Korkmaz.

My favourite players of this draft are Simmons (obviously), Dunn, Poeltl, LeVert, Trimble.

[Ericb5]

This. If you just looked at Ish's numbers and impact on the team, and removed his name from alongside it....you'd think you had a near all star PG on your hands.

A giant Ish Smith (Sixer edition) who finishes at the basket is likely the rookie of the year next season.

Additionally, if Kris Dunn didn't have "Junior" next to his name, this thread would be called "Simmons, Dunn, or Ingram for Philly?"

6'4 with a 6'9 wingspan? Not to mention his vert is insane. Honestly, his only problems (from what I've seen) is that he has an awkward shot and he's turnover prone. If you can look past that, he might be the best player in this draft.

Dunn is the best college player of the country in my opinion, but of course Simmons and Ingram are more intriguing, Dunn will be 22 in a few months.

Call me crazy, but I still think Jamal Murray can thrive in the pro's. He's got some growing to do, but he can shoot and score the ball.

I don't know what has changed that would make anyone that thought that in the summer feel any different. I'd be fine with him at 4 simply because I don't think that there is anyone else outside of the top 3 that are obviously better.


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Well. Rumours were spread that Murray would be playing the 1, PG with that size and scoring ability is fenomenal. A SG with that size and scoring ability is good. I'm sure Murray would be a decent player in the NBA, but I'm not a big fan of him. Plenty of decent scoring guards in this draft with Hield, Valentine, Murray, Korkmaz.

My favourite players of this draft are Simmons (obviously), Dunn, Poeltl, LeVert, Trimble.

I personally never value it if players CAN play the point. I think that players are either point guards or they aren't. He isn't a point guard just like Russell isn't a point guard.

I like that they are good enough ball handlers and passers to help in that regard, but point guards are born and not made.

For me, nothing has changed with him this year. He has played well and should still be a good pro. I never saw a star though.





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[Agnostifarian]

So, if we pick #1 and take Simmons, how do he and Saric fit? They are both 6' 10" Point/Power forwards. Simmons is more athletic. Saric has a better jump shot. Neither are thought to be able to guard NBA SFs on a nightly basis. Neither have great length when compared with PFs in the NBA.

Can they play together? How is usage split between the 76ers center (Joel/Jah) and Simmons plus Saric. Do we need a "Patrick Beverly" type PG? What if we get lucky and get picks #1 and #4 resulting in Simmons & Dunn? The starters would be: Dunn/Covington/Saric/Simmons/(Pick a center). Don't we still have a spacing problem?

Simple response: You take Simmons (BPA/generational prospect) and figure it out.

If we're lucky enough to draft Simmons, what do we do with Saric?

Figure it out.

[Sixerscan]

Plenty of the top point guards in the nba didn't look like point guards their freshman year of college. It's definitely a position you can grow into.

[sixerfan5]

If we get the 1st pick in the 2016 draft and the Lakers get the second, would you trade Simmons for Ingram AND Russell AND having the Lakers pick unprotected for 2017? Do you think the Lakers would make that trade?

[MCtripDub]

Anyone else hoping we don't get the Lakers pick this year? I personally don't think they'll be any better next year, and their pick will be unprotected then.