Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. I

[gom]

Young and Wesley are the only plausible ones and I'm not sure what rotational players minutes that either could take outside of maybe Green. Green's a decent shooter, he's just not a great spot up shooter. He contributes with his energy, scoring and Jekyll defense but he's not the high volume spot-up shooter that everybody wants/wanted

I mentioned Young earlier because he's a really good spot-up shooter(like everyone's been complaining for ) and he's got better instincts on defense than our current bench shooter but we only care for implausible IT trades and long-shot d-league players (yes, shade)

Wesley's a decent corner shooter but eh'

Young is a terrible choice. He almost never passes the ball. That would ruin our ball movement. Wesley Matthews is much too expensive.

[twix2500]

We need one of them

Rex, what site is that which will allow to sort by position.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Young and Wesley are the only plausible ones and I'm not sure what rotational players minutes that either could take outside of maybe Green. Green's a decent shooter, he's just not a great spot up shooter. He contributes with his energy, scoring and Jekyll defense but he's not the high volume spot-up shooter that everybody wants/wanted

I mentioned Young earlier because he's a really good spot-up shooter(like everyone's been complaining for ) and he's got better instincts on defense than our current bench shooter but we only care for implausible IT trades and long-shot d-league players (yes, shade)

Wesley's a decent corner shooter but eh'

I would possibly take a gamble with Nick Young in the hopes that we can change him. But they would have to take McBob and Gerald Green back in trade. Considering that McBob has a history with the Lakers it's kind of plausible.

[gom]

Young and Wesley are the only plausible ones and I'm not sure what rotational players minutes that either could take outside of maybe Green. Green's a decent shooter, he's just not a great spot up shooter. He contributes with his energy, scoring and Jekyll defense but he's not the high volume spot-up shooter that everybody wants/wanted

I mentioned Young earlier because he's a really good spot-up shooter(like everyone's been complaining for ) and he's got better instincts on defense than our current bench shooter but we only care for implausible IT trades and long-shot d-league players (yes, shade)

Wesley's a decent corner shooter but eh'

I would possibly take a gamble with Nick Young in the hopes that we can change him. But they would have to take McBob and Gerald Green back in trade. Considering that McBob has a history with the Lakers it's kind of plausible.

Nick Young has a bad contract if it doesn't work out:

Team 2015-16 2016-17 2017-18
Los Angeles Lakers $5,219,169 $5,443,918 $5,668,667

Are you sure you want to do that? It looks like a horrible move to me. I'd rather have McRoberts honestly.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Young and Wesley are the only plausible ones and I'm not sure what rotational players minutes that either could take outside of maybe Green. Green's a decent shooter, he's just not a great spot up shooter. He contributes with his energy, scoring and Jekyll defense but he's not the high volume spot-up shooter that everybody wants/wanted

I mentioned Young earlier because he's a really good spot-up shooter(like everyone's been complaining for ) and he's got better instincts on defense than our current bench shooter but we only care for implausible IT trades and long-shot d-league players (yes, shade)

Wesley's a decent corner shooter but eh'

I would possibly take a gamble with Nick Young in the hopes that we can change him. But they would have to take McBob and Gerald Green back in trade. Considering that McBob has a history with the Lakers it's kind of plausible.

Nick Young has a bad contract if it doesn't work out:

Team 2015-16 2016-17 2017-18
Los Angeles Lakers $5,219,169 $5,443,918 $5,668,667

Are you sure you want to do that? It looks like a horrible move to me. I'd rather have McRoberts honestly.

That's just desperation for shooting talking. You may be right.

[Bishop45]

Young and Wesley are the only plausible ones and I'm not sure what rotational players minutes that either could take outside of maybe Green. Green's a decent shooter, he's just not a great spot up shooter. He contributes with his energy, scoring and Jekyll defense but he's not the high volume spot-up shooter that everybody wants/wanted

I mentioned Young earlier because he's a really good spot-up shooter(like everyone's been complaining for ) and he's got better instincts on defense than our current bench shooter but we only care for implausible IT trades and long-shot d-league players (yes, shade)

Wesley's a decent corner shooter but eh'

Young is a terrible choice. He almost never passes the ball. That would ruin our ball movement. Wesley Matthews is much too expensive.

We don't have good ball movement to start and he's the consideration for the spot-up shooter everyone's been flailing out for... he's a really good spot-up shooter and probably our only shot at a good one if we/anybody wants to go that route. I don't necessarily like it

And I meant Wesley Johnson lol. He's like a 45% corner shooter but his numbers are down this year with Clips

[Bishop45]

I would possibly take a gamble with Nick Young in the hopes that we can change him. But they would have to take McBob and Gerald Green back in trade. Considering that McBob has a history with the Lakers it's kind of plausible.

Nick Young has a bad contract if it doesn't work out:

Team 2015-16 2016-17 2017-18
Los Angeles Lakers $5,219,169 $5,443,918 $5,668,667

Are you sure you want to do that? It looks like a horrible move to me. I'd rather have McRoberts honestly.

That's just desperation for shooting talking. You may be right.

yea', that too lol

He's low hanging fruit for a great spot-up shooter if we're looking

[gom]

Nick Young has a bad contract if it doesn't work out:

Team 2015-16 2016-17 2017-18
Los Angeles Lakers $5,219,169 $5,443,918 $5,668,667

Are you sure you want to do that? It looks like a horrible move to me. I'd rather have McRoberts honestly.

That's just desperation for shooting talking. You may be right.

yea', that too lol

He's low hanging fruit for a great spot-up shooter if we're looking

Any of Mirza Teletovic, Hollis Thompson, or Joe Ingles would be better.

Mirza Teletovic (F) is on an expiring $5.5M contract:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/teletmi01.html

Hollis Thompson (SG/SF) is on a $1M contract with a team option:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompho01.html

Joe Ingles (SF) is on a 2 year (2.25M per year) contract:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/inglejo01.html

Nick Young is certainly not a better option. His 3p% is 35% this year.

[RexBoyWonder]

We need one of them

Rex, what site is that which will allow to sort by position.

Draftexpress stats section

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Wesley Johnson isn't exciting or great at all but :

1. He's probably attainable even right now.
2. This might surprise some of you but he could probably give us 90% of Deng's production at 1\10 the cost.

Robert Covington is also someone I would love but his value is too high for Philly.

Offseason will have better options like :
Evan Fournier
Batum
Harrison Barnes
Allen Crabbe
Brandon Rush


But this season, Antony Morrow/Ryan Anderson/Nick young are the best available options.

[Bishop45]

That's just desperation for shooting talking. You may be right.

yea', that too lol

He's low hanging fruit for a great spot-up shooter if we're looking

Any of Mirza Teletovic, Hollis Thompson, or Joe Ingles would be better.

Mirza Teletovic (F) is on an expiring $5.5M contract:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/teletmi01.html

Hollis Thompson (SG/SF) is on a $1M contract with a team option:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompho01.html

Joe Ingles (SF) is on a 2 year (2.25M per year) contract:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/inglejo01.html

Nick Young is certainly not a better option. His 3p% is 35% this year.

3pt% is too conditional, especially for us... our pace/ball movement wouldn't fare well for many shooters. Young is usually among the top of the league in spot-up percentile (stat I rather judge shooters by) but Young's numbers have took a hit all around... you might be right lol and conveniently Green's skyrocketed

Anyhow, Thompson/Ingles/Tele aren't going to be easily attainable. Teams aren't going to move their shooters for nothing

[gom]

yea', that too lol

He's low hanging fruit for a great spot-up shooter if we're looking

Any of Mirza Teletovic, Hollis Thompson, or Joe Ingles would be better.

Mirza Teletovic (F) is on an expiring $5.5M contract:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/teletmi01.html

Hollis Thompson (SG/SF) is on a $1M contract with a team option:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompho01.html

Joe Ingles (SF) is on a 2 year (2.25M per year) contract:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/inglejo01.html

Nick Young is certainly not a better option. His 3p% is 35% this year.

3pt% is too conditional, especially for us... our pace/ball movement wouldn't fare well for many shooters. Young is usually among the top of the league in spot-up percentile (stat I rather judge shooters by) but Young's numbers have took a hit all around... you might be right lol and conveniently Green's skyrocketed

Anyhow, Thompson/Ingles/Tele aren't going to be easily attainable. Teams aren't going to move their shooters for nothing

Teletovic is on an expiring contract on a team that is not contending and has no chance. His value is pretty much zero since he will not likely resign.
Ingles in all likelihood will also be on a team that is not contending and has few chances. Dump Andersen & a second round pick and you probably get Ingles (but he comes with 2.2M of cap for next year, so that's a problem).
Thompson is on the 76ers. I doubt if they care about having shooters at the moment, but yes, it probably costs something.

These aren't shooters. They are end of bench options (8th & 9th men) who get few minutes. You could argue that increasing their minutes may not lead to proportional results, and I would agree, but that's the chance you take.

[Bishop45]

Any of Mirza Teletovic, Hollis Thompson, or Joe Ingles would be better.

Mirza Teletovic (F) is on an expiring $5.5M contract:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/teletmi01.html

Hollis Thompson (SG/SF) is on a $1M contract with a team option:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompho01.html

Joe Ingles (SF) is on a 2 year (2.25M per year) contract:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/inglejo01.html

Nick Young is certainly not a better option. His 3p% is 35% this year.

3pt% is too conditional, especially for us... our pace/ball movement wouldn't fare well for many shooters. Young is usually among the top of the league in spot-up percentile (stat I rather judge shooters by) but Young's numbers have took a hit all around... you might be right lol and conveniently Green's skyrocketed

Anyhow, Thompson/Ingles/Tele aren't going to be easily attainable. Teams aren't going to move their shooters for nothing

Teletovic is on an expiring contract on a team that is not contending and has no chance. His value is pretty much zero since he will not likely resign.
Ingles in all likelihood will also be on a team that is not contending and has few chances. Dump Andersen & a second round pick and you probably get Ingles (but he comes with 2.2M of cap for next year, so that's a problem).
Thompson is on the 76ers. I doubt if they care about having shooters at the moment, but yes, it probably costs something.

These aren't shooters. They are end of bench options (8th & 9th men) who get few minutes. You could argue that increasing their minutes may not lead to proportional results, and I would agree, but that's the chance you take.

They still play tho, I don't see the incentive for any of those teams to do so but it's somewhat plausible i guess

[MettaWorldPanda]

Any of Mirza Teletovic, Hollis Thompson, or Joe Ingles would be better.

Mirza Teletovic (F) is on an expiring $5.5M contract:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/teletmi01.html

Hollis Thompson (SG/SF) is on a $1M contract with a team option:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompho01.html

Joe Ingles (SF) is on a 2 year (2.25M per year) contract:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/inglejo01.html

Nick Young is certainly not a better option. His 3p% is 35% this year.

3pt% is too conditional, especially for us... our pace/ball movement wouldn't fare well for many shooters. Young is usually among the top of the league in spot-up percentile (stat I rather judge shooters by) but Young's numbers have took a hit all around... you might be right lol and conveniently Green's skyrocketed

Anyhow, Thompson/Ingles/Tele aren't going to be easily attainable. Teams aren't going to move their shooters for nothing

Teletovic is on an expiring contract on a team that is not contending and has no chance. His value is pretty much zero since he will not likely resign.
Ingles in all likelihood will also be on a team that is not contending and has few chances. Dump Andersen & a second round pick and you probably get Ingles (but he comes with 2.2M of cap for next year, so that's a problem).
Thompson is on the 76ers. I doubt if they care about having shooters at the moment, but yes, it probably costs something.

These aren't shooters. They are end of bench options (8th & 9th men) who get few minutes. You could argue that increasing their minutes may not lead to proportional results, and I would agree, but that's the chance you take.

I would love to get Teletovic. Seems like such an ideal player for us to come off the bench and play good minutes in a rotation with Whiteside and Bosh. I am hoping we can some how get him from the Suns before the deadline. Problem is our lack of picks. What are we giving the Suns in return. McBob? Maybe they do it since he is locked up cheap?

[gom]

3pt% is too conditional, especially for us... our pace/ball movement wouldn't fare well for many shooters. Young is usually among the top of the league in spot-up percentile (stat I rather judge shooters by) but Young's numbers have took a hit all around... you might be right lol and conveniently Green's skyrocketed

Anyhow, Thompson/Ingles/Tele aren't going to be easily attainable. Teams aren't going to move their shooters for nothing

Teletovic is on an expiring contract on a team that is not contending and has no chance. His value is pretty much zero since he will not likely resign.
Ingles in all likelihood will also be on a team that is not contending and has few chances. Dump Andersen & a second round pick and you probably get Ingles (but he comes with 2.2M of cap for next year, so that's a problem).
Thompson is on the 76ers. I doubt if they care about having shooters at the moment, but yes, it probably costs something.

These aren't shooters. They are end of bench options (8th & 9th men) who get few minutes. You could argue that increasing their minutes may not lead to proportional results, and I would agree, but that's the chance you take.

I would love to get Teletovic. Seems like such an ideal player for us to come off the bench and play good minutes in a rotation with Whiteside and Bosh. I am hoping we can some how get him from the Suns before the deadline. Problem is our lack of picks. What are we giving the Suns in return. McBob? Maybe they do it since he is locked up cheap?

No. Unless McRoberts is recovered, he remains a negative asset. It shouldn't take much to get Teletovic however. Bledsoe & Price are both out at the moment (though Price won't be out long), so something like:

Andersen+Udrih+(Stokes/Richardson) = Teletovic + Price

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6650281

If they would rather choose their own 2nd round pick (that's all Richardson & Stokes are to other teams) we have 31-40 (2017) or (2018 if 2017 goes to ATL = 1-30). It's a shame to trade Udrih, but his value has increased with us and if we liked him, we can resign him in the off season for vet min.

[gom]

Dudley should be the target though:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/in-praise-of-giannis-jared-dudley-and-khris-middleton-the-swiss-army-knives-of-the-milwaukee-bucks/


He is a very versatile player and (unlike the others I listed), Dudlley plays good defense.

[dolphinatik]

Dudley I'd be down for

[Heat_Fan_87]

Dudley I'd be down for

yea, and he has a high bbiq, like battier, jj, ...

[MettaWorldPanda]

Why would the Wiz deal with the Heat tho?

[gom]

Why would the Wiz deal with the Heat tho?

He's on an expiring contract. It's not like he's theirs for long (nor ours if we trade for him). Washington isn't quite out of the playoff hunt but if they are by trade deadline, they might want to go down rather than up.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6650333

Andersen + Richardson + a second (2017 (31-40) or 2018 (if 2017 goes to ATL)) for Dudley might get it done. They'll waive Birdman. We can add cash (about $750,000 is left after the Napier and Zoran deals) to ameliorate Birdman's salary. The balance at the deadline is about $1,200,000 so it's $450,000 loss, however they don't have to pay Dudley's salary so that's a net positive. Plus they'll get a good prospect (Richardson) and a second round pick.

[RexBoyWonder]

Aint giving up J-Rich for **** Dudley. 2018 second should be more then enough or they can keep him.

He's not good enough to be a starter or young enough to be long term Heat. That's a desperation move we need to be carful with.We can gamble with expiring like Deng/Bird all day but we need our young cheap guys to stay around unless we get a long term answer for them.