Trade Deadline Countdown....What will we do? What should we do?

[phnart]

I'm calling my shot right now. The Suns will do nothing to help the team via trade before the deadline. Any trade they do make will come back to bite them in the ass.

[letsgosuns]

McDonough has proven he acts too late and does things way past their boiling point. Based on this, I doubt he does anything until much closer to the trade deadline. He ruined last season by waiting too long and he ruined this season by not trading Markieff when he demanded it. Fans paid tickets to see competitive basketball this year and the Suns have not come through on their side.

[phnart]

McDonough has proven he acts too late and does things way past their boiling point. Based on this, I doubt he does anything until much closer to the trade deadline. He ruined last season by waiting too long and he ruined this season by not trading Markieff when he demanded it. Fans paid tickets to see competitive basketball this year and the Suns have not come through on their side.

You put it much more eloquently than I did. Completely agree. There is no good trades out there for the Suns without them giving up way too much in return.

[AtheJ415]

After last nights big loss to GSW, Suppose the Cavs are ready to move on from Kevin Love.. what would you be willing to give up for him?

Package 1
Chandler
Keef
Draft Picks

Package 2
Bledsoe
Keef

Package 3
Tucker
Keef
Len

Who are our players who could fit around lebron and his championship aspirations? I think they could use Tucker, Keef and Chandler.

Okay, so let's say we get Love, and it would have to be for Package 1 or 2 because 3 isn't good enough, and the picks would have to be really good for package 1. Where does that really put us? We have a go to scorer and our rebounding might improve (we're actually a good rebounding team already believe it or not). Our defense becomes even worse. We still have 0 shot at a title. Maybe a better shot at the playoffs. Don't shortcut the rebuild imo. Get really young, embrace another 2-3 years of talent accumulation, and then re-visit this at that time. If we're going for a rising star, it should be a 22-24 year old instead of Love imo.

[AtheJ415]

Cousins is better than Love.
Defensively, Cousins actually is effective.

Yeah. Cousins is the better/more valuable player by a decent margin at this point. The fact that the Cavs treat Love as the 3rd option and to an extent misuse him lowers his value. We still don't know if he can carry a team, and he's now much older. Playing him as the 3rd guy suggests the Cavs don't believe he can. It's kind of like Bosh. He had a lot of value to some teams despite being 3rd wheel in Miami, but with others his value had decreased since his Toronto days because his numbers and role were diminished. I don't see that as an even trade today. Cousins is the best center in basketball, on a good contract, and at an age where he's still improving.

I think what would be more likely is Love to LA for a bunch of the Lakers youngsters.

[AtheJ415]

I really think the best landing spot for Chandler is Chicago. They're in a place where they lost a lot of minutes at the C position and they have a legitimate chance of contending this year. Tyson could really help their team. Additionally, with Pau opting out this summer, they might feel good about having Chandler locked up in case they can't retain him.

1. Chandler for Noah straight up

2. Chandler/Tucker/Archie for Noah/Dougie

If push came to shove I'd be okay dumping him, but I'd really prefer getting a pick of some kind back. I think Boston, with their 30,000 picks in the next few years, would take Lee plus at least a 2nd rounder for Chandler.

[AtheJ415]

McDonough has proven he acts too late and does things way past their boiling point. Based on this, I doubt he does anything until much closer to the trade deadline. He ruined last season by waiting too long and he ruined this season by not trading Markieff when he demanded it. Fans paid tickets to see competitive basketball this year and the Suns have not come through on their side.

Horrible take. But I guess we should've gotten 3 firsts for Dragic, and 2 firsts for IT, a guy who nobody was willing to pay even $7.5 million a year only a few months earlier, and who didn't perform any better in Phoenix than he had in Sac.

What were you expecting last year? That if we had traded Dragic and Thomas earlier, we would've made the playoffs? Hate to break it to you, but once we decided to trade them, we were not making the playoffs, whether that trade happened in week 1 of the season or at the deadline. That was a total rebuilding move. Those were the types of moves you've advocated for (trade the vets, blow it up), but you hate McDonough too much to see that.

[RunDogGun]

McDonough has proven he acts too late and does things way past their boiling point. Based on this, I doubt he does anything until much closer to the trade deadline. He ruined last season by waiting too long and he ruined this season by not trading Markieff when he demanded it. Fans paid tickets to see competitive basketball this year and the Suns have not come through on their side.

Really? Gortat? Scola?Dudley? We weren't there, we don't know if any trades were available to make.

[letsgosuns]

McDonough has proven he acts too late and does things way past their boiling point. Based on this, I doubt he does anything until much closer to the trade deadline. He ruined last season by waiting too long and he ruined this season by not trading Markieff when he demanded it. Fans paid tickets to see competitive basketball this year and the Suns have not come through on their side.

Horrible take. But I guess we should've gotten 3 firsts for Dragic, and 2 firsts for IT, a guy who nobody was willing to pay even $7.5 million a year only a few months earlier, and who didn't perform any better in Phoenix than he had in Sac.

What were you expecting last year? That if we had traded Dragic and Thomas earlier, we would've made the playoffs? Hate to break it to you, but once we decided to trade them, we were not making the playoffs, whether that trade happened in week 1 of the season or at the deadline. That was a total rebuilding move. Those were the types of moves you've advocated for (trade the vets, blow it up), but you hate McDonough too much to see that.

Of course it is a horrible take. It disagrees with your viewpoint so I must be a complete idiot.

And of course you know FOR A FACT that if the Suns had traded Thomas immediately once he was eligible to be traded and things would have gone back to only Dragic and Bledsoe, that the Suns still would have sucked. Give me a break. ESPN writers said the Suns knew in training camp that they felt they made a big mistake bringing in Thomas so why did McDonough not trade him sooner and reset the balance of the roster?

Now I do not like Dragic, Bledsoe, Knight, or Thomas. But the best incarnation of that group was Dragic and Bledsoe by far. The other combinations are just terrible. Does not matter though. It is in the past. McDonough has held onto Markieff for so long it is insane. Let's say he gets ten first round picks for him. So what. He lost this season. Don't you get that? The season is over. Another wasted year. If Markieff was traded before training camp, I bet this year is a whole lot different. But I guess I am just a moron since I have a different opinion than you.

[AtheJ415]

McDonough has proven he acts too late and does things way past their boiling point. Based on this, I doubt he does anything until much closer to the trade deadline. He ruined last season by waiting too long and he ruined this season by not trading Markieff when he demanded it. Fans paid tickets to see competitive basketball this year and the Suns have not come through on their side.

Horrible take. But I guess we should've gotten 3 firsts for Dragic, and 2 firsts for IT, a guy who nobody was willing to pay even $7.5 million a year only a few months earlier, and who didn't perform any better in Phoenix than he had in Sac.

What were you expecting last year? That if we had traded Dragic and Thomas earlier, we would've made the playoffs? Hate to break it to you, but once we decided to trade them, we were not making the playoffs, whether that trade happened in week 1 of the season or at the deadline. That was a total rebuilding move. Those were the types of moves you've advocated for (trade the vets, blow it up), but you hate McDonough too much to see that.

Of course it is a horrible take. It disagrees with your viewpoint so I must be a complete idiot.

And of course you know FOR A FACT that if the Suns had traded Thomas immediately once he was eligible to be traded and things would have gone back to only Dragic and Bledsoe, that the Suns still would have sucked. Give me a break. ESPN writers said the Suns knew in training camp that they felt they made a big mistake bringing in Thomas so why did McDonough not trade him sooner and reset the balance of the roster?

Now I do not like Dragic, Bledsoe, Knight, or Thomas. But the best incarnation of that group was Dragic and Bledsoe by far. The other combinations are just terrible. Does not matter though. It is in the past. McDonough has held onto Markieff for so long it is insane. Let's say he gets ten first round picks for him. So what. He lost this season. Don't you get that? The season is over. Another wasted year. If Markieff was traded before training camp, I bet this year is a whole lot different. But I guess I am just a moron since I have a different opinion than you.

I know for a fact that Goran is arguably the worst contract in basketball right now. He's been flat out awful. The idea that he would still be a 3rd team All-NBA player flies in the face of every aspect of how he's played basketball for the past year and a half. You are willfully ignorant so long as it fits your viewpoint.

You're right, I'm just holding out hope for a playoff spot. That's why I keep advocating for tanking, trading our vets, and saying in our game thread that games are must lose. Seriously, why do we have to keep discussing this same strawman argument that anybody who thinks we've held on to our awful players who are helping us lose games are somehow hoping for a playoff spot or a meaningful season?

Your opinion is that a team filled with Gortat, Dudley, and a bunch of old mediocre players would've lead us to the promised land of the playoffs, therefore McDonough should be punished, while simultaneously criticizing him for losing too much even though you advocate tanking given the absence of Dragic. You play both sides of the argument, and continue to act as if losing Goran was some massive failure that cost this team a title. We won that trade. Goran would need to play at an above average starter to claim otherwise at the very least, and right now I could argue he's the worst starting PG in basketball. Yes, even worse than your whipping boy Knight. Point being, just because Dragic and Bledsoe was the best combo in terms of winning now, doesn't mean it's the right move to keep them together. That would only be the case if winning now was the sole priority. When you factor in Goran's contract, age, and the rest of the team's age, it makes it a stupid move. It has proven to be a stupid move. Look at Goran right now--he's AWFUL. If signing Thomas is what forced us to avoid that disaster of a deal, then signing Thomas was a GENIUS move.

If you came into this season seeing the team as rebuilding, and I still did, then this season is not "lost". Warren and Booker have both improved. Len has shown signs of that. Bledsoe took a noticeable step forward. Our team play has sucked, but our individuals have shown growth while we've lost games and gotten into a good draft pick slot. That isn't the lost season you claim it is. It's only lost if you saw this team as no longer rebuilding, and thus, the best and only option was making the playoffs. But this crusade of claiming we're stupid for not tanking, and then claiming that we've lost the season because we're losing too much, is and always has been, absolute nonsense.

[letsgosuns]

Horrible take. But I guess we should've gotten 3 firsts for Dragic, and 2 firsts for IT, a guy who nobody was willing to pay even $7.5 million a year only a few months earlier, and who didn't perform any better in Phoenix than he had in Sac.

What were you expecting last year? That if we had traded Dragic and Thomas earlier, we would've made the playoffs? Hate to break it to you, but once we decided to trade them, we were not making the playoffs, whether that trade happened in week 1 of the season or at the deadline. That was a total rebuilding move. Those were the types of moves you've advocated for (trade the vets, blow it up), but you hate McDonough too much to see that.

Of course it is a horrible take. It disagrees with your viewpoint so I must be a complete idiot.

And of course you know FOR A FACT that if the Suns had traded Thomas immediately once he was eligible to be traded and things would have gone back to only Dragic and Bledsoe, that the Suns still would have sucked. Give me a break. ESPN writers said the Suns knew in training camp that they felt they made a big mistake bringing in Thomas so why did McDonough not trade him sooner and reset the balance of the roster?

Now I do not like Dragic, Bledsoe, Knight, or Thomas. But the best incarnation of that group was Dragic and Bledsoe by far. The other combinations are just terrible. Does not matter though. It is in the past. McDonough has held onto Markieff for so long it is insane. Let's say he gets ten first round picks for him. So what. He lost this season. Don't you get that? The season is over. Another wasted year. If Markieff was traded before training camp, I bet this year is a whole lot different. But I guess I am just a moron since I have a different opinion than you.

I know for a fact that Goran is arguably the worst contract in basketball right now. He's been flat out awful. The idea that he would still be a 3rd team All-NBA player flies in the face of every aspect of how he's played basketball for the past year and a half. You are willfully ignorant so long as it fits your viewpoint.

You're right, I'm just holding out hope for a playoff spot. That's why I keep advocating for tanking, trading our vets, and saying in our game thread that games are must lose. Seriously, why do we have to keep discussing this same strawman argument that anybody who thinks we've held on to our awful players who are helping us lose games are somehow hoping for a playoff spot or a meaningful season?

Your opinion is that a team filled with Gortat, Dudley, and a bunch of old mediocre players would've lead us to the promised land of the playoffs, therefore McDonough should be punished, while simultaneously criticizing him for losing too much even though you advocate tanking given the absence of Dragic. You play both sides of the argument, and continue to act as if losing Goran was some massive failure that cost this team a title. We won that trade. Goran would need to play at an above average starter to claim otherwise at the very least, and right now I could argue he's the worst starting PG in basketball. Yes, even worse than your whipping boy Knight.

If you came into this season seeing the team as rebuilding, and I still did, then this season is not "lost". Warren and Booker have both improved. Len has shown signs of that. Bledsoe took a noticeable step forward. Our team play has sucked, but our individuals have shown growth while we've lost games and gotten into a good draft pick slot. That isn't the lost season you claim it is. It's only lost if you saw this team as no longer rebuilding, and thus, the best and only option was making the playoffs. But this crusade of claiming we're stupid for not tanking, and then claiming that we've lost the season because we're losing too much, is and always has been, absolute nonsense.

Seriously you skewed what I said beyond anything I could have imagined. I actually do not know how it is even possible you can say: "Your opinion is that a team filled with Gortat, Dudley, and a bunch of old mediocre players would've lead us to the promised land of the playoffs, therefore McDonough should be punished, while simultaneously criticizing him for losing too much even though you advocate tanking given the absence of Dragic."

Did you even read what I wrote? This is exactly what I said: "McDonough has proven he acts too late and does things way past their boiling point. Based on this, I doubt he does anything until much closer to the trade deadline. He ruined last season by waiting too long and he ruined this season by not trading Markieff when he demanded it. Fans paid tickets to see competitive basketball this year and the Suns have not come through on their side."

Somehow you equate that to I want Gortat, Dudley, and other guys still on the team and that I believe that team could win a title. How did you even get there from what I said. No joke, what are you talking about.

And btw, what I was referring to was how everyone knew there was turmoil inside the locker room last year that should have been taken care of before it got out of control. McDonough did nothing until he made three separate trades on the trade deadline last year. He waited too long. He could have acted sooner to save the season and he did not. He could have traded Dragic sooner and kept Thomas or vice versa or traded both of them much sooner.

This has nothing to do with which players I like or which I believe could win a championship. This has to do with him sitting on his hands and doing nothing. Markieff threw a towel at Hornacek and did not get traded. What more does he have to do. Punch Hornacek in the face. Meanwhile, the Suns keep losing and McDonough has done nothing but allow Hornacek to continue to play these veterans while the young guys get inconsistent playing time. It is ridiculous.

I want the Suns to lose as much as possible so they can get the number one pick. But I want them to lose while playing Booker, Warren, Goodwin, and Len all 30+ minutes a game. If that happens, it is not a lost season. If they continue to play Tucker and Markieff and Chandler and lose, then it is a wasted season. Don't you get that. How can Goodwin ever turn into anything if he gets twenty minutes one game two minutes the next. And the Suns lose both games anyway so it is not like it is Goodwin's fault. At least Goodwin can develop if he is out there.

[Kerrsed]

God the Trade Board has become comical.

I went on there late last night (Actually around 3am) and there were like 6 trades on the 1st page all involving the Suns. The funny part was like 5 of them had us dumping Booker. Once the OP was told to keep his hands off our Booker, they started to question why, as he is still "Unproven". If he is soooooooo "Unproven", then why are you guys so gun-ho to acquire him, hmmmmmmm???????

There were even posters from other boards defending our protection of Booker, saying they (If they were the Suns) would rather just hold on to him.

This is one that made me lol:

Kings trade:
Rudy Gay

Suns trade
Keif Morris
Devin Booker

But for the love of god there are some AWFUL trade ideas being posted on there.

PHI gets Booker, Wright, and TOR '17 1st for Covington and LAL '16 1st

-consolidate some assets for a backcourt of the future

PHX gets Patterson, '16 LAL 1st and '17 TOR 2nd for Kieff and Booker

-gets a great pick for the rebuild and ends the Morris headache

TOR gets Kieff and Covington for Wright, Patterson, '17 1st and 2nd

-use their assets to consolidate for talent and take a run at the East

Chicago trades:
Joakim Noah
Mike Dunleavy Jr.
2016 1st - the highest of Chicago or Sacramento's pick
Chicago receives:
Tyson Chandler


Phoenix trades:
Tyson Chandler
2016 Cleveland 1st - protected 11-30
Phoenix receives:
Myers Leonard



Portland trades:
Myers Leonard
Portland receives:
Joakim Noah
Mike Dunleavy Jr.
2016 1st - the highest of Chicago or Sacramento's pick
2016 Cleveland 1st - protected 11-30

ORL OUT: Frye, Gordon, Oladipo
ORL IN: B Knight, M Morris, PHO '16 1st

PHO OUT: B Knight, M Morris, '16 1st
PHO IN: J Parker, A Gordon, C Frye, T Ennis

MIL OUT: J Parker, T Ennis
MIL IN: V Oladipo

Cavs In: Markief Morris, Jae Crowder, Tyson Chandler
Bos In: Kevin Love
Phx In: Amir Johnson, Varejao & possible pick

To Cleveland
-Tyson Chandler (4 years, $52 million)
-Tibor Pleiss (2 years, $5.5 million plus TO)
-2016 2nd round pick from Golden State via Utah
-2017 2nd round pick from Golden State via Utah

To Utah
-Timofey Mozgov (1 year, $4.95 million)

To Phoenix
-Anderseon Varajeo (2 years, $19 million plus TO)
-Jared Cunningham (1 year, $980,000)

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To Phoenix
-2016 2nd round pick from Golden State
-2017 2nd round pick from Golden State
-$5.5 million TPE

To Cleveland
-PJ Tucker (2 years, $10.8 million)

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[AtheJ415]

Of course it is a horrible take. It disagrees with your viewpoint so I must be a complete idiot.

And of course you know FOR A FACT that if the Suns had traded Thomas immediately once he was eligible to be traded and things would have gone back to only Dragic and Bledsoe, that the Suns still would have sucked. Give me a break. ESPN writers said the Suns knew in training camp that they felt they made a big mistake bringing in Thomas so why did McDonough not trade him sooner and reset the balance of the roster?

Now I do not like Dragic, Bledsoe, Knight, or Thomas. But the best incarnation of that group was Dragic and Bledsoe by far. The other combinations are just terrible. Does not matter though. It is in the past. McDonough has held onto Markieff for so long it is insane. Let's say he gets ten first round picks for him. So what. He lost this season. Don't you get that? The season is over. Another wasted year. If Markieff was traded before training camp, I bet this year is a whole lot different. But I guess I am just a moron since I have a different opinion than you.

I know for a fact that Goran is arguably the worst contract in basketball right now. He's been flat out awful. The idea that he would still be a 3rd team All-NBA player flies in the face of every aspect of how he's played basketball for the past year and a half. You are willfully ignorant so long as it fits your viewpoint.

You're right, I'm just holding out hope for a playoff spot. That's why I keep advocating for tanking, trading our vets, and saying in our game thread that games are must lose. Seriously, why do we have to keep discussing this same strawman argument that anybody who thinks we've held on to our awful players who are helping us lose games are somehow hoping for a playoff spot or a meaningful season?

Your opinion is that a team filled with Gortat, Dudley, and a bunch of old mediocre players would've lead us to the promised land of the playoffs, therefore McDonough should be punished, while simultaneously criticizing him for losing too much even though you advocate tanking given the absence of Dragic. You play both sides of the argument, and continue to act as if losing Goran was some massive failure that cost this team a title. We won that trade. Goran would need to play at an above average starter to claim otherwise at the very least, and right now I could argue he's the worst starting PG in basketball. Yes, even worse than your whipping boy Knight.

If you came into this season seeing the team as rebuilding, and I still did, then this season is not "lost". Warren and Booker have both improved. Len has shown signs of that. Bledsoe took a noticeable step forward. Our team play has sucked, but our individuals have shown growth while we've lost games and gotten into a good draft pick slot. That isn't the lost season you claim it is. It's only lost if you saw this team as no longer rebuilding, and thus, the best and only option was making the playoffs. But this crusade of claiming we're stupid for not tanking, and then claiming that we've lost the season because we're losing too much, is and always has been, absolute nonsense.

Seriously you skewed what I said beyond anything I could have imagined. I actually do not know how it is even possible you can say: "Your opinion is that a team filled with Gortat, Dudley, and a bunch of old mediocre players would've lead us to the promised land of the playoffs, therefore McDonough should be punished, while simultaneously criticizing him for losing too much even though you advocate tanking given the absence of Dragic."

Did you even read what I wrote? This is exactly what I said: "McDonough has proven he acts too late and does things way past their boiling point. Based on this, I doubt he does anything until much closer to the trade deadline. He ruined last season by waiting too long and he ruined this season by not trading Markieff when he demanded it. Fans paid tickets to see competitive basketball this year and the Suns have not come through on their side."

Somehow you equate that to I want Gortat, Dudley, and other guys still on the team and that I believe that team could win a title. How did you even get there from what I said. No joke, what are you talking about.

And btw, what I was referring to was how everyone knew there was turmoil inside the locker room last year that should have been taken care of before it got out of control. McDonough did nothing until he made three separate trades on the trade deadline last year. He waited too long. He could have acted sooner to save the season and he did not. He could have traded Dragic sooner and kept Thomas or vice versa or traded both of them much sooner.

This has nothing to do with which players I like or which I believe could win a championship. This has to do with him sitting on his hands and doing nothing. Markieff threw a towel at Hornacek and did not get traded. What more does he have to do. Punch Hornacek in the face. Meanwhile, the Suns keep losing and McDonough has done nothing but allow Hornacek to continue to play these veterans while the young guys get inconsistent playing time. It is ridiculous.

I want the Suns to lose as much as possible so they can get the number one pick. But I want them to lose while playing Booker, Warren, Goodwin, and Len all 30+ minutes a game. If that happens, it is not a lost season. If they continue to play Tucker and Markieff and Chandler and lose, then it is a wasted season. Don't you get that. How can Goodwin ever turn into anything if he gets twenty minutes one game two minutes the next. And the Suns lose both games anyway so it is not like it is Goodwin's fault. At least Goodwin can develop if he is out there.

I bolded the part I was referring to in the previous post. You claim he ruined last season. It's comical. That team was not going to lead us anywhere.

The main part of all of your arguments though are that they operate with a huge amount of presumption and assumptions that don't have a real basis behind them aside from your own opinion, followed by an irrational degrading of the players we have as entirely valueless. You advocate for trading them for nothing in an effort to tank, while ignoring that we are already tanking. Then you claim our GM has failed by not trading Markieff with no knowledge of what deals are actually out there. It's as if you believe McD is sitting there turning down amazing offers earlier in the year. Why not wait until the end result to see what the trade netted, like with Goran.

Booker, Warren, and Len all play minutes. Len has been hurt. You have a point on Goodwin. A lot of that falls on the coach too, who should be playing them regardless. They help us win and have better numbers than the guys he's playing in front of them. As far as the GM though, his job is to get the most he can for each player. Timing is secondary. His impact lasts beyond a season, and the long-run should take precedence because we are not, nor have we ever been, in a "win now" scenario. You treat and judge his moves as if they are contained within a 1 year window. Having the overall talent we have now in year 3 relative to what we had when he walked in the door is damn near miraculous, particularly when you add in the future picks we have stocked up.

[kennydorglas]

God the Trade Board has become comical.

I went on there late last night (Actually around 3am) and there were like 6 trades on the 1st page all involving the Suns. The funny part was like 5 of them had us dumping Booker. Once the OP was told to keep his hands off our Booker, they started to question why, as he is still "Unproven". If he is soooooooo "Unproven", then why are you guys so gun-ho to acquire him, hmmmmmmm???????

There were even posters from other boards defending our protection of Booker, saying they (If they were the Suns) would rather just hold on to him.

This is one that made me lol:

Kings trade:
Rudy Gay

Suns trade
Keif Morris
Devin Booker

But for the love of god there are some AWFUL trade ideas being posted on there.

PHI gets Booker, Wright, and TOR '17 1st for Covington and LAL '16 1st

-consolidate some assets for a backcourt of the future

PHX gets Patterson, '16 LAL 1st and '17 TOR 2nd for Kieff and Booker

-gets a great pick for the rebuild and ends the Morris headache

TOR gets Kieff and Covington for Wright, Patterson, '17 1st and 2nd

-use their assets to consolidate for talent and take a run at the East

Chicago trades:
Joakim Noah
Mike Dunleavy Jr.
2016 1st - the highest of Chicago or Sacramento's pick
Chicago receives:
Tyson Chandler


Phoenix trades:
Tyson Chandler
2016 Cleveland 1st - protected 11-30
Phoenix receives:
Myers Leonard



Portland trades:
Myers Leonard
Portland receives:
Joakim Noah
Mike Dunleavy Jr.
2016 1st - the highest of Chicago or Sacramento's pick
2016 Cleveland 1st - protected 11-30

ORL OUT: Frye, Gordon, Oladipo
ORL IN: B Knight, M Morris, PHO '16 1st

PHO OUT: B Knight, M Morris, '16 1st
PHO IN: J Parker, A Gordon, C Frye, T Ennis

MIL OUT: J Parker, T Ennis
MIL IN: V Oladipo

Cavs In: Markief Morris, Jae Crowder, Tyson Chandler
Bos In: Kevin Love
Phx In: Amir Johnson, Varejao & possible pick

To Cleveland
-Tyson Chandler (4 years, $52 million)
-Tibor Pleiss (2 years, $5.5 million plus TO)
-2016 2nd round pick from Golden State via Utah
-2017 2nd round pick from Golden State via Utah

To Utah
-Timofey Mozgov (1 year, $4.95 million)

To Phoenix
-Anderseon Varajeo (2 years, $19 million plus TO)
-Jared Cunningham (1 year, $980,000)

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To Phoenix
-2016 2nd round pick from Golden State
-2017 2nd round pick from Golden State
-$5.5 million TPE

To Cleveland
-PJ Tucker (2 years, $10.8 million)

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CHI/PHO/POR isnt a bad trade at all... apparently the only decent one there hahah

[thamadkant]

In the general board I proposed Chandler/Tucker/Morris for Love + filler


Someone proposed back.

Warren, Morris, Chandler, Cavs pick back
For
Love

[King4Day]

I really think the best landing spot for Chandler is Chicago. They're in a place where they lost a lot of minutes at the C position and they have a legitimate chance of contending this year. Tyson could really help their team. Additionally, with Pau opting out this summer, they might feel good about having Chandler locked up in case they can't retain him.

1. Chandler for Noah straight up

2. Chandler/Tucker/Archie for Noah/Dougie

If push came to shove I'd be okay dumping him, but I'd really prefer getting a pick of some kind back. I think Boston, with their 30,000 picks in the next few years, would take Lee plus at least a 2nd rounder for Chandler.

I think we'll be very lucky to get a team to take Chandlers bad contract off our hands . Let alone us getting any assets in return

[TeamTragic]

In the general board I proposed Chandler/Tucker/Morris for Love + filler


Someone proposed back.

Warren, Morris, Chandler, Cavs pick back
For
Love

I just signed off on this deal. About to send a fax to Sarver because he hasn't figured out e-mail yet

[King4Day]

CHI/PHO/POR isnt a bad trade at all... apparently the only decent one there hahah

You beat me to it. That trade would be fine by me and actually is relatively fair if Chicago finds the least bit of value in Chandler.

[King4Day]

In the general board I proposed Chandler/Tucker/Morris for Love + filler


Someone proposed back.

Warren, Morris, Chandler, Cavs pick back
For
Love

That would probably be fair. I would do it but ONLY, so we can trade Love later for assets.
I'm not sold on Warren being anything more than a good player.

[King4Day]

I look at the league and see 2 juggernauts in the Spurs and Warriors, who are young and have their players locked into long term contracts. Both have superstars and will be dominant for at least the next half decade.

Why waste our time trying to compete during that time. This is when we get things right, and build from scratch.
Trade EVERYONE including Bledsoe if people will have them.
I tried convincing myself that getting Knight for the Lakers pick was OK but it wasn't. Another bad move by McDonough who is showing he knows how to draft but that his weakness is player maneuvering. On the flip side, we'll never know if it's Sarver who's forcing his hand.